Is gene-therapy wrong?

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Nikajo

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Wahful said:
Well youd be pretty pissed off if you turned down this option and you kid turned out to be an arrogant, idiotic waste of space!

Think about it THAT way.
Not entirely convinced that they've found genes to be responsible for this kind of behaviour, yet. But that's getting into a nature vs. nurture argument.

Conversley this could be used in a negative way - say the parents were prejudice against homosexuals and it was found that their child had the "gay" gene. Obviously they would want to have it removed/replaced. Wrong? I think so but I guess that's a matter of opinion.
 

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..., we suppose that we grant the power to customize a baby to the parents. To support such a fundamental shift in they way that we, as a species, move forward you would have to agree that you would rather allow the influence of emotion, social trends, future hopes and crushed dreams govern the course of the species rather than the cold, pitiless gauntlet of life itself. This is not a question of morality. It is simply asking if you believe we, as a species, can do a better job than the systems that have seen life go from a single cell to complex organisms in the face of disaster, catastrophe, calamity and, recently, good old fashioned human intervention.
I say allow improvements of already human qualities if you can successfully do them. Intelligence, appearance, vision, immune system, that sort of thing. For things that do not already exist in humans, like the ability to digest cellulose or a third arm in the middle of your chest, I say restrict that to animal research or something.

In any case, I doubt parents will subject their children to this sort of thing until it is well tested and completely safe. I don't think we'll have a good understanding of what every bit of the human genome does in even the next 50 years. It will be a long time before people consider it a viable option.

Futurists predict that the next hundred years will be for biology/genetics what the last hundred years were for computing, with the culmination of that century being the synthetic construction of a multicellular creature purely from scratch. Once we have THAT level of understanding of genetics, THEN I think that we will really start tinkering with ourselves in earnest.

Of course, by then we'll probably have awesomely sophisticated AI and probably the first AI more intelligent than any human. At that point I think we'll be augmenting ourselves with computer tech more than biological tech. You know, to keep up.
 

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Boris Goodenough said:
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To me while I'm against the restriction of science I think we have to keep it within some boundaries, man was never meant to play God after all.
Says who?
Every science fiction film known to man for starters. For...finishers I consider it to be a rule of thumb amongst those with sense, you give a man great power in the form of leading an army or a nation and unless he has great responsibility he's bound to cock it up. You give a man the most power in the form of complete control over life and the earth and it'll result in a monumental cock-up for we are but men.
 

Boris Goodenough

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Pegghead said:
Every science fiction film known to man for starters. For...finishers I consider it to be a rule of thumb amongst those with sense, you give a man great power in the form of leading an army or a nation and unless he has great responsibility he's bound to cock it up. You give a man the most power in the form of complete control over life and the earth and it'll result in a monumental cock-up for we are but men.
As much as I am a sciencie fiction fan, I would like to point out the "fiction" part of it.
We've come so far every time we've played god. I think the pessimism is overstated.
 

Mr. Mike

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If I haven't already been ninja'd, I'd view genetic modification of unborn babies (when they are still merely an embryo) as the next form of natural selection. Since we are at the top of the food chain, we have no need to adapt, develop any more that we have.

Since natural selection can no longer improve us, we can do it ourselves. Of course, there are plenty of ethical issues surrounding this, plus the thought of further segregation between those who can afford such genetic modification and those who cannot, but nonetheless the benefits could be quite substantial.
 

Kaymish

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of course its not wrong think of all those awful genetic diseases that could be cured or just plain bad genes and think of all up grades that could be done to the human race the next generation could be faster smarter stronger and more beautiful than this one and hair and eye colours that are becoming extinct could be re introduced

i would say that i dont think many parents would be customising looks nut the stupidity of some parents is amazing though it could be useful in that a kid could have a real reason to resent her parents because they are being picked on by the kids whose parents went sheep enough to follow the summers trend

and besides who are we kidding there the crap will be legislated out of it if it became viable
 

spinFX

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Far too many people in this thread using the "don't play God" argument.

Why the hell not? Sick of religious arguments having any merit in everyday life.
 

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Mr. Mike said:
If I haven't already been ninja'd, I'd view genetic modification of unborn babies (when they are still merely an embryo) as the next form of natural selection. Since we are at the top of the food chain, we have no need to adapt, develop any more that we have.

Since natural selection can no longer improve us, we can do it ourselves. Of course, there are plenty of ethical issues surrounding this, plus the thought of further segregation between those who can afford such genetic modification and those who cannot, but nonetheless the benefits could be quite substantial.
We are in fact still being affected by natural selection. Are environment in always changing from both natural and man made causes. We are being affected by it just like we always have.
 

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its an ethical choice. It can be potentially great, getting rid of genetic defects etc, but allowing you to choose your child is something no one should have control over, you are messing with the balance of nature.

What if 70% of parents chose to make their child a boy?
 

Mr.Squishy

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Slightly off-topic: I wonder if this means one in the future can alter eye or hair color through gene-therapy...that'd be kinda cool.
 

thegreatsage

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If this method is suitably controlled then yes, it would assist the eradication of genetic diseases. However it should be indiscriminatedly adminstered, i.e make it a public commodity.

If developed and improperly harnessed, humanity could become even more complacent, with the rich perpetually getting richer and so on and so forth.

Doubtful if a Eugenic run society is going to emerge any time soon, though.
 

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RaphaelsRedemption said:
Um, for what purpose? If it's to avoid a hereditary disease, then, sure, get treating those illnesses ASAP!

If it's about hair colour, personality or physical attributes, then NO. Do not take away a child's individuality (and risk their lives) just for your own selfish reasons. Just don't.
what about engineeringyour kid to be black? less chance for skincancer !
i see this going towards a whole new chapter of law
family law, corporate, etc and gene law !
 

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there sure are benefits to gene-therapie, but the scenarios what this might result in scary, like really scary. i don't think it's unethic or anything, we mess with life and death ever since we started killing each other over resources, it's basically the same.
I am not against gene-therapie, thou trains were scary once and they didn't turn out so bad
 

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Snownine said:
Mr. Mike said:
If I haven't already been ninja'd, I'd view genetic modification of unborn babies (when they are still merely an embryo) as the next form of natural selection. Since we are at the top of the food chain, we have no need to adapt, develop any more that we have.

Since natural selection can no longer improve us, we can do it ourselves. Of course, there are plenty of ethical issues surrounding this, plus the thought of further segregation between those who can afford such genetic modification and those who cannot, but nonetheless the benefits could be quite substantial.
We are in fact still being affected by natural selection. Are environment in always changing from both natural and man made causes. We are being affected by it just like we always have.
Natural selection works like this. There is a competition for resources or an environmental condition that sees certain people coping better in such a situation (e.g. people with more heavier builds surviving better in a cold climate). The people who are better suited live on while those who don't die. Those who live on pass their gene of having a heavier build on. Natural selection therefore renders everyone within that region to have that trait (this of course can take hundreds of years).

However, in modern society, people who would die out aren't. We have medicine to treat them, ways to accommodate for them. Where once they would have died due to natural selection, they live on, passing those genes into society.

Natural selection has been effectively halted by our superiority over other life-forms and advances in science. Therefore, let science continue natural selection for us.
 

JaymesFogarty

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It's definitely wrong. With people eradicating all diseases, and intelligence soon to be worth squat, natural selection will fly out of the window, and the population will spiral out of control.
Sidenote: Does anyone think that this gene-therapy will grow reminiscent of what happened in Bioshock? It certainly sounds like it could go that way.
 

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Gene therapy isnt done during pregnancy as far as i no. Its used to treat people who have genetic abnormalities which result in debilitating illnesses. Gene therapy = good.

What the OP seems to be talking about is some sort of gentic engineering/eugenics. I think thats based on very shakey moral ground. Perhaps there is an arguement to changing genes that may be problematic in future, but I think going down the route of enhancement would be wrong.
 

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MalkavianPretzelKing said:
Scientists(who I'm already not too fond of to begin with) are talking of altering children in the womb to parents tastes.....It seems wrong to me,custom pre-modeled children it ....I don't know it just doesn't seem right,What do you all think?
How can you be not too fond of scientists? They make society a better place.

Anyway, gene therapy is alright when used to stop genetic diseases and birth defects. Helps give people a better quality of life. For looks? Meh, maybe not. I don't really care about it, though,.
 

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The chance for any children I might have to be born without all the defects I'm sure to pass on otherwise? I'd go for it. And if the child ends up a little prettier then they should have then I wouldn't complain. Pity we're still awhile away from this kind of stuff.
 

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spinFX said:
Far too many people in this thread using the "don't play God" argument.

Why the hell not? Sick of religious arguments having any merit in everyday life.
Because what right do we have to change someones appearance before they can realise the implications of our actions? Even worse how can we do it when they don't condone it? That is not something that should be up to the parents or anybody. It should be up to the child but as they have no comprehension of anything then it shouldn't be done at all. Science should very much be controlled and regulated just like any other industry. Look what unchecked science brought us in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.