Is history as important, or more important, than Maths?
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Does that means tribal banging on drums is also way better than all other music? Since it all stems from that..SL33TBL1ND said:Maths is a proper term in places other than the US. It is short for mathematics not mathematic.Clarke3000 said:
OT: Since maths is the basis of practically everything, I'll go with that. In the end, everything can be put down to numbers.
History is more important than math. The average person isnt likely to need to know much more than basic math (addition subtraction division multiplacation percentages and fractions) where as history can have a much larger effect on the average person purely because most of us live in democracies that encourage us to vote and get involved with our representatives.
But Maths is the use of numbers to express and solve problems based on numbers, so math itself is a tool created using numbers to solve the questions that can be structure with maths from numbers. Meaning maths is a system for thinking about how to think about mathematical things, making it a branch of thinking about how to solve questions, which is Philosophy. So a philosopher is at the farthest right of that little drawing, as following the same logic math is applied philosophy.SL33TBL1ND said:Maths is a proper term in places other than the US. It is short for mathematics not mathematic.Clarke3000 said:
OT: Since maths is the basis of practically everything, I'll go with that. In the end, everything can be put down to numbers.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat the mistakes from the past.
And that is a big load of bullshit right there. I know a bit history, and I can see that history repeats itself over and over and over again. Financial crisis? Done that before. I also noticed that one week they announced that the crisis were over. The week after everything was back on the same track that screwed up the economy in the first place, the second place and the third place.
Old mistakes aren't repeated because we don't know history. They are repeated because those who control the world don't know it, or those who control the world know too much and knows how to gain from it personally or they think they wont do the same mistake at the same track. And yes, I do apologize for the lack of punctuation in that last sentence.
Knowing history isn't enough to keep us from screwing things up. We do the same mistakes over and over regardless of our level of knowledge. It's just human nature to learn from our own mistakes rather than our parents' mistakes. History is needed, but the need of it is exaggerated. History gives us knowledge that we need, but not we aren't necessarily able to use the knowledge before it's too late, and we aren't in control of our lives all the time.
When we learn math that's needed for a variety of things. We need it to make progress in technology and to understand the technology we have. Math is needed in every day life.
And that is a big load of bullshit right there. I know a bit history, and I can see that history repeats itself over and over and over again. Financial crisis? Done that before. I also noticed that one week they announced that the crisis were over. The week after everything was back on the same track that screwed up the economy in the first place, the second place and the third place.
Old mistakes aren't repeated because we don't know history. They are repeated because those who control the world don't know it, or those who control the world know too much and knows how to gain from it personally or they think they wont do the same mistake at the same track. And yes, I do apologize for the lack of punctuation in that last sentence.
Knowing history isn't enough to keep us from screwing things up. We do the same mistakes over and over regardless of our level of knowledge. It's just human nature to learn from our own mistakes rather than our parents' mistakes. History is needed, but the need of it is exaggerated. History gives us knowledge that we need, but not we aren't necessarily able to use the knowledge before it's too late, and we aren't in control of our lives all the time.
When we learn math that's needed for a variety of things. We need it to make progress in technology and to understand the technology we have. Math is needed in every day life.
Better? No. The most basic and pure form? Sure.headshotcatcher said:Does that means tribal banging on drums is also way better than all other music? Since it all stems from that..SL33TBL1ND said:Maths is a proper term in places other than the US. It is short for mathematics not mathematic.Clarke3000 said:
OT: Since maths is the basis of practically everything, I'll go with that. In the end, everything can be put down to numbers.
Philosophy is not about thinking how to solve problems. It's thinking about why we solve problems.Magnesium360 said:But Maths is the use of numbers to express and solve problems based on numbers, so math itself is a tool created using numbers to solve the questions that can be structure with maths from numbers. Meaning maths is a system for thinking about how to think about mathematical things, making it a branch of thinking about how to solve questions, which is Philosophy. So a philosopher is at the farthest right of that little drawing, as following the same logic math is applied philosophy.SL33TBL1ND said:Maths is a proper term in places other than the US. It is short for mathematics not mathematic.Clarke3000 said:
OT: Since maths is the basis of practically everything, I'll go with that. In the end, everything can be put down to numbers.
He means he's American and believes that the correct word is "Math" rather than "Maths" despite it being short for "Mathematics".Numachuka said:
OT: Maths is definitely more important than History, as it is the way which so many things work. Maths and science go hand in hand. History is the past. As a great man once said, you live in the past, you die in the past.
Sounds like your experience of studying history was soured by doing too much about the 3rd Reich. While i think covering Nazi Germany and WW2 should be mandatory in high school history, i think perhaps we learn a bit *too* much on how and why the Nazi's were bad.Thaliur said:
In the English education system i think that's the case as well. I've covered WW1, WW2 and Nazi Germany, in particular evacuation and the Blitz multiple times through primary and secondary school. Hell, we even did WW1 history in English Literature. In the end, you feel you know more about the world wars than those who fought in it, and about as sick of it as they must have been too.
So, i agree they probably teach the World Wars a bit too much in schools. They should cover both wars, but only once. History's a big subject, and their are countless other important things to know, such as the Roman Empire, medieval Europe and Christianity, the Renaissance and Enlightenment, industrialisation and European colonialism.
With history curriculum's overly obsessed with how evil the Nazi's were, it could give people a distorted, World-War centric view to history.
(Also, studying history doesn't mean your only career option is a teacher. History graduates can go and get jobs in local and national government, research positions in media corporations, or go do a masters in law about become a solicitor or lawyer. But, generally speaking, i feel your likely to get a job with a maths degree.)
On topic:
Both subjects are important, but important for different reasons. Maths has numerous valuable practical applications, history gives you an understanding as to how and why things are the way they are today. In the end, a society needs both mathematicians and historians.
History is definitely more important. Math is important until about mid-high school, but then it becomes completely and utterly useless outside of related majors. History is important to understand for many reasons; put simply, "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it."
Of course as long as our school system (America) completely fails at teaching anything in any meaningful ways, it won't matter much. The way history is taught almost makes it as useless as high-level math anyway.
Of course as long as our school system (America) completely fails at teaching anything in any meaningful ways, it won't matter much. The way history is taught almost makes it as useless as high-level math anyway.
This may have been said but an 'unbias opinion' is a paradox, there is no such thing.
Whether history is more important than maths is a broad statement. In my opinion one of the central roles of education (unfortunatly) is to sustain power relations and while maths (based on my meagre knowledge) to some extent contributes to this history is far more complicit. History in my opinion tends to rationalise decisions made by dominant powers and any change in this during the secon half of the twentieth century merely reflect increased levels of comfort within the developed world leading to a sense of pragmatism about injustice and the freedom for academia to expose injustice that may be relevent to todays society.
When you ask is history more important than maths, perhaps you should be asking more important for who, and why?
Whether history is more important than maths is a broad statement. In my opinion one of the central roles of education (unfortunatly) is to sustain power relations and while maths (based on my meagre knowledge) to some extent contributes to this history is far more complicit. History in my opinion tends to rationalise decisions made by dominant powers and any change in this during the secon half of the twentieth century merely reflect increased levels of comfort within the developed world leading to a sense of pragmatism about injustice and the freedom for academia to expose injustice that may be relevent to todays society.
When you ask is history more important than maths, perhaps you should be asking more important for who, and why?
I can't argue that History is more important than Maths as mathematics makes up a lot of what we do day-to-day.
But there are 2 quotes from David McCullough that nicely sums up why history is equally important:
Now to study history gives you the skills to analyse information and development a coherent argument based on that information. While many subjects give you the ability to develop an argument, I would argue that the study of history gives you the skills to develop an argument from a WIDE range of sources from diaries, books, posters, movies, facts & figures etc. combining all of them into an argument either from the past or of more modern issues.
[sub][sub]Why yes, I am a historian. How could you tell?[/sub][/sub]
But there are 2 quotes from David McCullough that nicely sums up why history is equally important:
David McCullough said:
To understand history is to understand why things are how they are today. By forsaking that knowledge, we loose a great understanding about (as McCullough says) politics, economics, society and culture. All of which are very much grounded in the past.David McCullough said:
Now to study history gives you the skills to analyse information and development a coherent argument based on that information. While many subjects give you the ability to develop an argument, I would argue that the study of history gives you the skills to develop an argument from a WIDE range of sources from diaries, books, posters, movies, facts & figures etc. combining all of them into an argument either from the past or of more modern issues.
[sub][sub]Why yes, I am a historian. How could you tell?[/sub][/sub]
No. Apples, in terms of sales, are more popular and therefore more important. That said, orange juice isn't be accounted for...Pirate Kitty said:
Anyway, not too sound like Boring McBlandpost, but it really depends on what you do. The majority of people will probably find History more useful to them, but those that do use the math use it a lot more.
