Is Invisible War Really a Bad Game?
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I greatly enjoyed Invisible War. As far as I can see it, the only real problem it had was being held to the astronomically high standards of Deus Ex (which is fair. It IS pretty amazing).
I'm not sure anything could have met those expectations.
I'm not sure anything could have met those expectations.
As i said, it's not bad, but it's not good either. And in my opinion, that's pretty mediocre, as i enjoyed it much less than other games, but didn't consider it a failure or anything.EzraPound said:
On a technical standpoint, it might even be a good or great game for it's time, but it still comes down to gameplay, wich enjoyment was hampered for me since the game felt as or even more clunky than the first game, without many of the strenghts of the first game to back it up. And i HATED the way levels were built.
If critics loved it, fine by me. I still consider it mediocre, even when not compared to the first game, and that makes it better than some of the 966 other Xbox Games, but not nearly ALL of them.
Don't try to cheap-shot my opinion when you quote me.
EDIT: Also, i think i had more fun with the predator one. It was pretty bad, but still fun in a way.
I wasn't trying to cheap-shot you, just assuming the implication of "mediocre" was that the game was average or sub-par (meaning the same or worse than the quality of most games). If "mediocre" to you means "demonstrably better than ninety per cent of Xbox games", then I guess we could find an area of agreement.Frybird said:
I just think it's funny how people on The Escapist play largely games with metascores over 80, then talk about which ones are "bad" or "mediocre" relative to each other as if there wasn't a vast terrain of games that are far, far worse.
It can and probably does mean that as mediocre means to me "better than games i played and hated, but not quite like games i hated and actually liked". I can only judge games that i've played, and even if i would play more worse games, it would still be mediocre for me, even if it could be far above average when compared to every other game i played.EzraPound said:
My personal opinion and tastes may vary from what most of those hilariously broken Review Scores imply, and i think most others do too.
And since most Magazines and Websites rate games that are/would be viewed as utter garbage in the eyes of most gamers with scores as high as "60 out of 100" (or equivalent), you can't really take metascores as a reference on what is good, bad and ESPECIALLY mediocre.
I've played about 2 or 3 hours of it so far but since this is my first Deus Ex my opinion (which is: good game if a bit confusing) probably won't count for much. I'm just unsure what to do now that I escaped from the first area. I've done what I assume is a side-quest for...some guy and am unsure where to go/ what to do. I need to play more of that game.
Think the Yahtzee Deus Ex song. That pretty much explains it. The verse i refer to:
We made a sequel that no-one liked
Cause we dumbed it down too much
Cause we're thiiiiick
We made a sequel that no-one liked
Cause we dumbed it down too much
Cause we're thiiiiick
Well it's pretty average, but then you see they just took everything that made Deus Ex good and f*cked it up, like someone taking a nicely cooked steak dinner and then rolling it on the floor a couple of times...
I don't mind if it's your first time cooking and it's not that great, but when you decide to ruin a good meal I'll be loosing my cool.
So yes it is bad because they already knew what was good and then decided to take a dump on it.
I don't mind if it's your first time cooking and it's not that great, but when you decide to ruin a good meal I'll be loosing my cool.
So yes it is bad because they already knew what was good and then decided to take a dump on it.
It's a great game, but in a sense it's like Oblivion and Morrowind, those who played Morrowind first sometimes favor it more than Oblivion and vice versa. I got Invisible war when it came out on Xbox and loved it forever I love the first Deus ex but it took time to grow on.
Deus Ex is from the bored, innocent day & age when conspiracy theories were far-fetched enough to be sexy and hilarious at the same time. I guess the developers woke up screaming to the 9/11 truther movement. So they produced a story reminding us how really, really stupid and irresponsible these conspiracy theories are, particularly when they're all true. You can only make things worse by tearing away the benevolent masks of the shadowy élite. Particularly if you follow your natural moral instincts and kill everyone involved, you're literally ending the human race. Revenge of the right-wingers, your parents. Seek a higher path, seek order.
Everyone in DX 2 is so much more radical than the average sane person, you just want to blow off their faces and hand the world back to Bill Clinton... ah, Bob Page. It is a world I only recognize in retrospect, I think the tea party is foreshadowed in it. So DX 2 might achieve cult status some day, after all.
Everyone in DX 2 is so much more radical than the average sane person, you just want to blow off their faces and hand the world back to Bill Clinton... ah, Bob Page. It is a world I only recognize in retrospect, I think the tea party is foreshadowed in it. So DX 2 might achieve cult status some day, after all.
It's a very good game that actually does a number of things better than Deus Ex. But it kills so many sacred cows that people who played the original just can't stand it and it has some serious problems arising from the tech biting off more than it could chew.
I played through it for the second or third time last week. It's not a bad game. It has a few nice additions to gameplay such as improved stealth, black market biomods, explode-on-impact grenades and the bot domination biomod. But it also has a few awful changes such as universal ammo, the inventory system, and combining the skills and biomods (minimising the rewards for exploration and completing secondary objectives). The thing that really hurts it though is the tiny levels. You could spend a long time in one area in the original Deus Ex and really find yourself immersed in the game world... that goes to hell when there's a loading screen every five minutes.
It also doesn't really have much of a story compared to the original. It leans on the original too much... it doesn't have enough original story elements of its own. So as a sequel I just can't see it standing on its own as a great game in its own right. Oh, and it's about half as long as the original.
But I did have fun with it. Going the stealth route with a stun prod, tranq gun, silenced sniper rifle, and EMP grenades works nicely. And believe it or not, I expect it to be better than Human Revolution... at least in terms of "Deus Ex"ness.
Oh, and if you get it on PC, make sure to get John P's Hi-res Texture Pack. Very big improvement.
It also doesn't really have much of a story compared to the original. It leans on the original too much... it doesn't have enough original story elements of its own. So as a sequel I just can't see it standing on its own as a great game in its own right. Oh, and it's about half as long as the original.
But I did have fun with it. Going the stealth route with a stun prod, tranq gun, silenced sniper rifle, and EMP grenades works nicely. And believe it or not, I expect it to be better than Human Revolution... at least in terms of "Deus Ex"ness.
Oh, and if you get it on PC, make sure to get John P's Hi-res Texture Pack. Very big improvement.