Is it biggoted to say that Muslims attacked the USA?

[Throwitawaynow]

Yes.

Muslims didn't declare war on America.

Japan and Germany did.

Completely different.

They're trying to build a recruitment center on sacred ground! How is that not a declaration of war?

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

It depends on what you mean by "Muslim". If you are saying Muslims in general attacked America (and other parts of the world), then yes you are (and no not YOU, I just mean people in general) being ignorant and bigotish (is that the right word?). But if you are saying that a couple of muslims attacked America, then no you are just stating that several Muslims (not all of them) were participating in the attack. Its like saying white Americans enslaved Africans. There are some Americans who did so but not all, so it all comes down to who the subject is.

 

[Kryzantine]

Yes.

Muslims didn't declare war on America.

Japan and Germany did.

Completely different.

They're trying to build a recruitment center on sacred ground! How is that not a declaration of war?

I hope this is sarcasm.

Anyway, I can't say it's bigoted, but it's dumb to think of it that way. Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked the USA, not Muslims. bin Laden is not affiliated with a country. He is not affiliated with a religion. He is affiliated only with his own personal group. And America has treated him as such. Hell, we fired cruise missiles at him during the Clinton administration and missed. We weren't attacking Islam.

These people need to realize that individual people are becoming as powerful as entire countries.

 

[Netrigan]

I ask this because I saw a local news story on this concept.

As Bill O'Reilley said on his own show
"I submit to you and everybody watching tonight, that after 10 years we got it. We know the difference between peace-abiding Muslims and people who make war under the banner of Islam. But here's the question: Did we say in World War II, we were attacked by Japanese extremists or German extremists? Did we do that? No we said we were attacked by the Japanese. We were attacked by Muslims. That's who attacked us."

I know that not all Muslims are terrorists, and I also know that not all terrorists are Muslim, but the fact is that Muslim terrorists did attack America on 9/11.

So, is it racist or biggoted to say that Muslims attacked the United States?

Very flawed analogy. We waged war against the rightful representatives of the Japanese and German governments, therefore they were Japanese & Germans.

We were attacked by the Taliban on 9/11. The Taliban are an extremist Muslim group, but they're not the rightful representatives of the Muslim people. You can say that the Catholic Church aided and abetted the Nazis in WWII (a great many Nazis fled with the aid of the Church), but it would be extremely unfair to say that Christians aided and abetted the Nazis. O'Reilly is is using unnecessarily fuzzy language.

 

[Serenegoose]

Muslims attacked the USA. Islam did not. Important distinction. In much the same way all the attackers were men, men attacked the USA - That does not mean every man did.

 

[waterwithoutfish]

As Bill O'Reilley said on his own show
"I submit to you and everybody watching tonight, that after 10 years we got it. We know the difference between peace-abiding Muslims and people who make war under the banner of Islam. But here's the question: Did we say in World War II, we were attacked by Japanese extremists or German extremists? Did we do that? No we said we were attacked by the Japanese. We were attacked by Muslims. That's who attacked us."

See, that's really interesting, because his analogy works in a way that I don't think he meant it to. Since, you know, during WWII we put Japanese immigrants (who were ineligible for American citizenship) and their American-born citizen children into concentration camps. So if he's asking for Muslims to be treated the same as Japanese Americans during WWII...

Yup. Not racist at all.

 

[Thedayrecker]

It can be. It just depends on how the person meant it.

If they meant "Technically the people that attacked us were of the muslim faith" then it's fine.

However, if they say "Teh mooslums decard war on MURICA!" They're retarded.

 

[CrazyMedic]

I'm seeing a bit of odd logic here. We weren't attacked by the Islamic Government...because there hasn't been a unified Islamic Caliph since 1924. We were attacked by the individuals who want to RESTORE the Islamic Caliph government and bring back a unified Islamic government. Who were supported and encouraged by the key religous leaders of the Islamic faith, which, since Islam demands a Theocracy, those leaders ARE their government.

They've stated as much repeatedly, their faith operates on that level, their society operates on that level. There is no secularization in their society, there is no sepeartion of Church and State. The Church IS the State. The Imams ARE the Government. The extremests represent the intentions of the 'government' of Islam. I'm sorry folks, but viewing Islam through the lense of your own predjudice and political correctness and trying to say 'there is no Islamic government' is innacurate to the exteme. Making arguments trying to compare Christianity or America to Islam or trying to equate the Second World War to the ongoing struggle with Islam is...simplistic.

Read the Polically Incorrect Guide: 'Islam and the Crusades' it'll open your eyes up if you've got an open mind.


And I suppose I'll throw this out there, No, Islam didn't declare war on America. Islam declared war on Civilzation, and every non-Muslim in the world when Muhamed declared that we were to either convert, serve, or die over 1500 years ago.

ummmmmmmmmmm WHAT!!! what the hell kind of backwards republican retard book are you reading, I mean there are tons of people who follow the quaran(probably spelled it wrong) yet wouldn't blow shit up, if the catholic church declared war on arabs and someone blew up the dome of the rock would say all catholics declared war on arabs.

also that whole Muhammad said there are also sayings in the quaran that basically say respect other religions every single holy book has contradictions in it from the bible to the Torah(which is basically the same as the bible without the last half but wtv) so taking one thing out of context is ignorant, and besides most of what they are pissed about is us taking democracy from iran and support Israel. how do you think the united states would act if we lost all our power and the un decided to give new mexico or california to mexico.

See, that's really interesting, because his analogy works in a way that I don't think he meant it to. Since, you know, during WWII we put Japanese immigrants (who were ineligible for American citizenship) and their American-born citizen children into concentration camps. So if he's asking for Muslims to be treated the same as Japanese Americans during WWII...

Yup. Not racist at all.

actually we also put actually american citiziens in the concentration camps too just because their eyes were slanted.

Why is it that people pretend that the Bible only has rules coming from Jesus? Because the watered-down apologists do not like reading the rules where homosexuals are claimed as 'sinful' and deserving of 'stoning'

hey man mind if I buy your daughter she is hot, the bible also says you can sell your daughter, and in particular order I give you the retarded rules you have problem broken or would never think of following

"Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee." -- Leviticus 19:19
so if you have ever worn of a shift of linen and wool you are a SINNER.

"Ye shall not round the corners of your heads." -- Leviticus 19:27
so if you have ever shaved you are a SINNER.

"Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place...." -- Ephesians 5:4
so no mother fucking swearing, if you have ever said damn or taken the lords name in vain you are a SINNER.

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8
ever worked on a sunday not only are you a sinner it says you should be stoned to death just like your homophobic comment up there.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" --
ever told a lie even a white lie SINNER

"Do not go around as a gossiper among your people..." -- Leviticus 19:16
ever gossiped SINNER.

But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. 11 You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. 12 Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you."
(I don't know the exact passage)
so if you have ever eaten a shellfish SINNER.

so all in all if you have ever done any of these you have no right to rag on gays, so if you are gonna lecture people about the bible know your stuff so you don't come off like this,

(also I had some trouble with the quote code so things could be messed up.

 

[Baneat]

I don't think you can blanket regular, relatively tame, relatively safe Muslim with brainwashed irrational slaughter.

 

[superbatranger]

Extremists who have skewed the Qu'ran to fit their own ideologies and agenda were the ones who attacked us on 9/11. People who actually believe in the teachings of Islam would never associate themselves with those behind the attacks. To say Muslims attacked us would be akin to stereotyping, or at least making overgeneralized assumptions. I don't know about everyone else, but stereotyping a race due to the actions of the few is racist.

 

[Ascarus]

So, is it racist or biggoted to say that Muslims attacked the United States?

Muslims aren't a race, so it's not racist. however the statement is incredibly ignorant (and bigoted).

 

[Spencer Petersen]

It would be just as racist to say that Christians caused the holocaust

 

[Another]

As Bill O'Reilley said on his own show
"I submit to you and everybody watching tonight, that after 10 years we got it. We know the difference between peace-abiding Muslims and people who make war under the banner of Islam. But here's the question: Did we say in World War II, we were attacked by Japanese extremists or German extremists? Did we do that? No we said we were attacked by the Japanese. We were attacked by Muslims. That's who attacked us."

First of all, Bill O'Reilly is a fucking idiot.

Secondly, in World War 2 you weren't attacked by Japanese or German extremist groups, you were in war with the entire population of Japan and Germany.. Those who couldn't fight were producing weapons for those who could. The government of both countries had declared war on the "free world.". You were fighting Germany. You were fighting Japan. So it's fine to say you were attacked by the Japanese.

In 9/11 you were attacked by an extremist group of Islamic people. A group which do not reflect the values or thoughts of the Islamic population.

Please. Think. Use your head.

This. So much this.

 

[Alandoril]

I don't think you can blanket regular, relatively tame, relatively safe Muslim with brainwashed irrational slaughter.

Tame? These are people not animals you're talking about.

 

[meowchef]

If you want to say it is BECAUSE they are Muslim that they attacked, either have the fucking balls to say that or don't bring up factoids about them.[/quote]It was because they were Muslim that they attacked the United States.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

Yes.

Muslims didn't declare war on America.

Japan and Germany did.

Completely different.

They're trying to build a recruitment center on sacred ground! How is that not a declaration of war?

I hope this is sarcasm.

You forgot irony there, considering his username.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

It was because they were Muslim that they attacked the United States.

No, it was because they are extremists whom believe the West is a filthy, immoral entity that needs to be cleansed. Being Muslim has nothing to do with it, the term "Muslim" is simply a nationality.