Is it discrimination to treat Handicapped people better than the rest of us?

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Klepa

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My government will give you 450e a month, if you're a student who earns less than 600e a month. This isn't discrimination towards the rich, it's ensuring that education is available to everyone.

Handicap parking spaces, like welfare programs, are designed to level the playing field. People aren't born equal.
 

Supertegwyn

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I agree somewhat. No, parking spaces are not discrimination. They simply help people who have a disability cope with day to day life. I do however believe that you should be able to insult disabled people (not about their disability, just in general)
If there is a man with no legs but the ugliest face I have ever seen, I will call him ugly. Does that mean I'm a horrible person? Maybe, but I don't give a damn.
 

Gigano

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If they have an inherent and objective need for a boost in order to just be on the level, then differentiating between them and us in terms of treatment - dangerous as such a distinctions always are to dabble in - is justifiable.

Since a person who can't walk can certainly be said to have an inherent and objective disadvantage compared to the average human, then something like handicap parking spaces is just fine (much unlike getting a scholarship simply because of one's skin colour).
 

WolfThomas

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Is it discrimination to give sick people medicine, as well? I mean why aren't all us healthy people getting chemo too?

Yeah I know I'm being ridiculous. But handicapped people do need their stuff.
 

Vykrel

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depends what you mean... if you mean people going out of their way to help handicapped people, then no. that is expected of a person.

i find it odd though, that handicapped people are allowed to cut in line for theme park rides. it just doesnt make any sense to me.
 

StargateSpankyHam

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Hmmm, interesting subject.

In reality, I think the issue goes deeper. Society has turned 'discrimination' into a nasty word, so to speak. To discriminate is merely to observe a difference. However, it is often used in the context of oppression - which I vehemetely oppose.

As far as handicapped parking goes, it's a clumsy approach to a problem. If there were no handicapped parking, 99.9% of people would park close, without regard for the handicapped people that might want to visit as well - if only because no handicapped person visibly wants it right then. Until we have telepathic internet via neural implants, so that handicapped people can broadcast "I'm en route to the store, someone save me a spot that's close", then we will have to make do with handicapped parking.

I'm fairly certain that if we were all aware of whether or not a handicapped person was on their way, we'd gladly save them a spot close to the entrance. I'm also pretty sure that the few people that would willfully take that parking spot in spite of knowing would be justly rewarded with dented doors by the adjacent drivers.

Now, in the case of the 'ugly' cancer victim, I fail to see how it's cruel, or even wrong, to call it like we see it. In that regard, even if the cancer victim is called ugly to their face, they always have the option of not caring what others think of them. I'd even go so far as to say that if they're so vain as to be offended by being called ugly, it's the risk they knowingly take by being so obsessed with vanity. Maybe they'll learn their lesson to not give a damn about what other people think about them.

What's the difference between the two scenarios? The cancer patient can instantly void the opinions of people that call them ugly, through sheer willpower - and if they choose not to do it, then that's their business. The person in the wheelchair doesn't have the option of solving the problem through willpower alone...unless they have magic powers of teleportation, or their own personal warp drive.

Thus, no handicapped parking for wheelchair-bound teleporting wizards. And no handicapped parking for wheelchair users who have cybernetic warp drives built into their non-working limbs.

It's pointless and childish to believe that all people are equal - because we're not. A wheelchair-bound person will never be equal to an olympic runner, and the olympic runner will never be equal to the wheelchair-bound person.

The original poster said, "Handicaps are like a 'no-touch zone', while everyone else is fair game." And in this sense, it is oppressive discrimination against the majority. If they cannot mentally deal with something as trivial as the words of the IRL trolls, then they truly need to re-evaluate where they stand as a sentient, sapient, human being. The solution is to stop caring about something so useless as what other people think about you.

As far as mental handicaps...I don't see where it's cruel (or even wrong) to state that an 'adult' has only the mental development of a small child. Nothing really matters except the intellectual age of the brain. The age of their body is irrelevant. If we downloaded their mind into a robot body, and downloaded a young child's mind into a robot body, then how would we tell that the mentally handicapped person was ever an adult?

Call me a cruel, heartless bastard if you wish, but as stated before, I'm immune to the negative opinions of other people.
 

krazykidd

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Akalabeth said:
krazykidd said:
What do you escapists think?
I think you should quit trying to justify being a jerk
This. Handicap parking spaces aren't discrimination, they help people who can't move easily, something that you take for granted. And yeah, if you laughed at a guy in a wheelchair or a person who was mentally retarded, you are going to get called out on it. Rightly so. Equality doesn't mean treat everyone the same, because people all aren't the same. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize being a jerk to the less fortunate.
But heres the thing , if im a jerk to the fortunate why couldn't i be a jerk of the less fortunate? Why should i treat them better? Thats my point ? Because of their handicap they should be imune to things normal people go through? we all laugh at people and gotten laugh at by people? Why should they be treated any different? and the definition of discrimination is treating a group of people different , is it not? Thats my point.

Also discrimination
 

RedEyesBlackGamer

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krazykidd said:
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Akalabeth said:
krazykidd said:
What do you escapists think?
I think you should quit trying to justify being a jerk
This. Handicap parking spaces aren't discrimination, they help people who can't move easily, something that you take for granted. And yeah, if you laughed at a guy in a wheelchair or a person who was mentally retarded, you are going to get called out on it. Rightly so. Equality doesn't mean treat everyone the same, because people all aren't the same. It sounds like you are trying to rationalize being a jerk to the less fortunate.
But heres the thing , if im a jerk to the fortunate why couldn't i be a jerk of the less fortunate? Why should i treat them better? Thats my point ? Because of their handicap they should be imune to things normal people go through? we all laugh at people and gotten laugh at by people? Why should they be treated any different? and the definition of discrimination is treating a group of people different , is it not? Thats my point.

Also discrimination
Two kinds of insults. "You are being a dick." is universal. It can be said to anyone. "At least I can walk!" should never be said to a person in a wheelchair. If you are fighting for the latter, we are done here.
 

Sarah Frazier

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Yes and no.

Some handicapped people struggle to move so setting aside the closest parking spots makes it so they can get where they need to go with less pain and fatigue, not to mention a little more room to get in and out of wheelchairs where other cars won't risk clipping them. It's not really discrimination so much as making the day a little easier and safer.

Some handicapped people think in ways different to others so getting on their case for taking a little longer to do ordinary things, while not discrimination if you'd do it to non-handicaps too, won't put you in the best light.

Laughing at anybody who looks funny or is struggling with something is bad form no matter what, but laughing especially at someone knowing they're handicapped is discrimination as well as a bit cruel.

Putting anybody who's handicapped at the top of the list, be it waiting in lines or competing in contests, is also discrimination. It's pretty much saying "Have a free pass to win because we pity you and/or fear you'd sue us if we didn't".
 

Arbi Trax

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"Equal" is not the same as "Identical"

What you described isn't discrimination. It's levelling the playing field. The intention is to try and make sure disabled people are not hampered by the shitty cards they've been dealt, and can lead a life as rich and fulfilling as any able-bodied person. I say try because sometimes it's impossible to do. But that doesn't mean we can't work towards all people being treated equally. Equally. Not identically.
 

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BanicRhys said:
As I see it, catering to the special needs of handicapped people (the parking spaces) is not discrimination.

Giving a handicapped person an advantage in any real competition (job interviews, contests, sports etc) is discrimination.
This. You hit the nail on the head, given someone an unfair advantage based on their race, age, sex or handicap is unfair.
 

krazykidd

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NoOne852 said:
It is immoral to poke fun at those with handicaps, and those with handicaps are treated better because it's the curitous and polite to do. I realize it's an example, but the handicap parking spaces exist because it helps those who cannot move easily have a bit easier access to common things to make up for their disabillity.
Now i understand it why it exist's ( come on give me some credit i'm not that big an idiot ). But the fact that it's exclusive to one group of people makes it discrimination ( by definition , but it's "good" discrimination). I also realize it's the polite thing to do, i don't go around being mean to people with a handicap , i ,like everyone else ,am super nice and polite to handicap people i meet ( even if i don't want to ), but to regular people i'm a dick and most of the time impolite to randomers that make the mistake to decide to talk to me. So i'm actually treating the handicapped people better than i treat regular people.

Let's say i was to take that same example and instead of handicapped i replaced it with race. I go around being nice to Asian people , but to Black people i am a dick/asshole just because i wan't to. I would imediately be called racist, because i treat black people differently ( discrimination ).

Same thing would happen if i was nice to men and a asshole to women, i would then be called a sexist and i would have feminist all over my ass.

But if i am being nice to Handicapped people and treating able-bodied people like crap, i am normal.
 

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No. It isn't giving them an unfair advantage, it's letting them live their lives.

Choosing to hire a minority for a job specifically because they are a minority though? That's different.
 

Vault101

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they are handi handicapped, they need the extra help alot of the time
 

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krazykidd said:
Another example. If i looked at a random person , and laughed at them because i thought they looked funny , it would be okay ( okay in the sense that although it would be mean , people wouldn't throw a FIT over it ) . But if it was to laugh at a random person that had a mental handicap , well then i would be looked down upon by everyone and be a heartless bastard.


What do you escapists think?
Can you not tell the difference between "Ha ha, you have stupid hair" and "Ha ha, your legs don't work."
 

krazykidd

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krazykidd said:
I don't want to be rude, but your entire argument is stupid and you sound like an asshole if you find these disabilities funny.

Disabled people struggle to live normal lives, by allowing them privilliges they can achieve equity and thus avoid discrimination.

Surrendering the best parking spots to disabled people isn't discrimination against you, it's making their lives a little bit easier. Seriously you'd ave to be a dick to think otherwise.

Go troll somewhere else.
If you seriously think im trolling , you are an unintelligent person , unable to think rationally and/or objectively . Treating a group of people different is discrimination by definition . Thus treating handicap people different ( worst or better ) is also discrimination .

You sir , fail at the art of thinking . Either that or you let your emotions on the matter cloud your judgement .
 

Dascylus

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Handicapped? The term is pretty wide.
Some people are classed as handicapped when I wouldn't consider them so.
Obese is one... No really. Obese is not handicapped. It's not a glandular problem, it's pies and burgers. But there is a difference between obese and a naturally large build.
Oh then then there are all the people with "back-problems" "depression" etc

But I digress.

Handicapped and disabled should be concession in daily life so that their handicapp shouldn't hinder them from from living a normal life.
Access to shops and businesses, access to leisure facilities etc.

I can expand but until I've had my coffee it's gonna end up pretty vitriolic so I'll hold off.
 

Supertegwyn

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Nathan Crumpler said:
krazykidd said:
Another example. If i looked at a random person , and laughed at them because i thought they looked funny , it would be okay ( okay in the sense that although it would be mean , people wouldn't throw a FIT over it ) . But if it was to laugh at a random person that had a mental handicap , well then i would be looked down upon by everyone and be a heartless bastard.


What do you escapists think?
Can you not tell the difference between "Ha ha, you have stupid hair" and "Ha ha, your legs don't work."
I think he meant using the first one on the handicapped person, not the second.

Example:

Person A: You have stupid hair!
Person B: That's not very nice!
Person C: Don't be mean to person B, he doesn't have legs!

(Person B is the handicapped person)
 

thirion1850

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
I think you've just tripped across the definition of "handicap"!

Of course they're treated better. They have a handicap.
Essentially this. There's a bloody reason they're treated better you know, and it can't be the urgent requirement of low rider wheelchairs.
 

b3nn3tt

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There is a difference between treating people equally and treating them identically. treating people identically is not generally compatible with equality anyway. Handicapped people are at a disadvantage to begin with, so by doing something to make there life easier actually serves to bring them closer to equality. It is not the same as positive discrimination, frowning upon people mocking a serious disorder is not equivalent to employing someone to make up the numbers of a minority that work somewhere.

People shouldn't be treated identically. If we want to treat everyone identically, then previous experience shouldn't matter when applying for a job. The fact is that some things give people a disadvantage or advantage, and things are done as a result of this. Things are done to help those less fortunate, and if anyone wants to complain about that then I will lose quite a bit of respect for them.