Is it just me or are we starting to live in V for Vendetta times?

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Vault101 said:
hmmmmm its hard to say

we arnt EXACTALLY like V for vendetta...I mean comicbook wise things were almost post-apocalyptic worse than in the movie..

I'll only start worrying if I get "kidnapped" by a some crazy bastard in a guy fawkes mask
Only if he has crazy ninja skills as well and you can't see one trace of his skin. THEN freak out.
shadowstriker86 said:
With sopa and the ndaa bills, I feel like we're starting to live in V for vendetta times, mass censorship, people being detained without trial never to be heard from again, hell I'd move to Canada or Britain but then they'd just ship my USAss back. Anyone else feel the same way?
Nah come to Canada. We love taking in Refugees. We're like Ned Flanders that way. And you the US are the Simpsons. Dysfunctional, violent and always mooching off us.
 

Esotera

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I think it's a combination of people not having enough babies & the internet just coming into real existence. Leaders want the power to control the internet & citizens easily because of what's happened in the Arab springs (or what they perceive to have happened), and the Baby Boomers have more experience, thus taking all the jobs. This makes it incredibly hard for young people to get jobs, leading to youth unemployment of around 50% in places like Italy & Greece.

America seems buggered most of all though, your politicians seriously suck.
 

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Seeing as Alan Moore wrote V for Vendetta in the 80's and was based off England's super conservative, authoritarian government, I'd say we've long since been in "V for Vendetta" times." It's just that Americans are finally starting to realize it.

Like Alan Moore in the late 80's. I've begun thinking of moving to a different country. Despite my dislike for snow, I've been researching Canada. Looks like they've got, at least, the same standard of living and freedoms, better healthcare and economy, they aren't as corporate or war hungry, and no one waves the flag in your face and asks, "Did you thank God you were born American, today?" Any Canadians in the audience who want to shed some more light on their country for me?
 

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You mean the world has become a really bad, stupid movie?

..............

You might be right.

OT. It's always the people in the world who have the least to complain about whose complaints are the most vocal.
 

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You know, if the bill had actually gotten pass the house I might agree with you...but it didn't so calm down. People flip out so easily nowadays, we focus too much on everything that sucks in this world, we need to lighten up.
 

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Chromanin said:
Seeing as Alan Moore wrote V for Vendetta in the 80's and was based off England's super conservative, authoritarian government, I'd say we've long since been in "V for Vendetta" times." It's just that Americans are finally starting to realize it.

Like Alan Moore in the late 80's. I've begun thinking of moving to a different country. Despite my dislike for snow, I've been researching Canada. Looks like they've got, at least, the same standard of living and freedoms, better healthcare and economy, they aren't as corporate or war hungry, and no one waves the flag in your face and asks, "Did you thank God you were born American, today?" Any Canadians in the audience who want to shed some more light on their country for me?
Our culture is extremely similar to American culture. You pointed out all the benefits. It does come at a cost however. Our income tax is about 23%. By the end of all federal and provincial taxes, it's about a 30% cut out of your paycheck. We also happen to be extremely spread out. There are really only a few large population center. The worst part is that we have Harper in with a majority government, so we're going to see a passing of several conservative focused bills over the next 4 years. It's probably better than the US right now, we weren't as affected by the recession compared to the US, but overall I personally think it's a better place to live right now.
 

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Don't come to England. Living here's like living in a cat box. Fighting to alter the course of your life is near impossible, but you've got no choice but to keep on fighting for that change to happen.
 

lacktheknack

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<watches ten-year-old girl get gunned down for vandalism>

Nope, you're just paranoid and/or desperate for some hardship.
 

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Pimppeter2 said:
I never understood the "Move to Canada or Britain" people.

If you're leaving America because you hate it, why would you go to the two countries most similar to it?
because people dont hate the culture, or the society. they hate the government. plus, Britain was like America is now centuries ago. we're well past our "oppress all the people" stage.
Grenge Di Origin said:
Hey UK/Australian escapists! American anthro dragon here. How's it in the UK/Australia? Because if America keeps on track with these kinds of bills and freedom-limiting actions, I may reconsider my citizenship here.
well, in Scotland, its very damp and very hilly. but nice. but if its about 10pm and you see a group of people gathered on one side of the street, cross the road if you value your everything.
in England, its pretty much the same.
 

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Tree man said:
lacktheknack said:
<watches ten-year-old girl get gunned down for vandalism>

Nope, you're just paranoid and/or desperate for some hardship.
And you just missed the entire point of that scene, she was shot for dressing like V and supporting him.

The vandalism was not the point of the unprovoked shooting.
OK. <watches ten-year-old girl get gunned down for dressing up as a political fugitive>

Better? It's still not remotely close to America today.
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
With sopa and the ndaa bills, I feel like we're starting to live in V for vendetta times, mass censorship, people being detained without trial never to be heard from again, hell I'd move to Canada or Britain but then they'd just ship my USAss back. Anyone else feel the same way?
Nah. Humans will always be evil, sucky, stupid and peculiar creatures.

What I find interesting, though, is this:

Just a couple of years back, everyone wanted to host their stuff on US soil, for reasons of freedom of speech and whatnot. Well, that did not prevent Germans from feeling the legal wrath from people with differing opinions. Poor Germans.

Now, it's pretty much poor everyone. Anyone hosting anything on US soil or just renting a specific TLD can seemingly turn into bottom-feeding lawyer fodder or get targeted by DOJ, randomly, instantly, thoroughly. Wow. Not good.

If the US really pulls an axis of evil on everyone in a sort-of reversal of what made them great, it might very well be about time to check out if the land of the free can meanwhile be found somewhere between Norilsk and Xuwen. It feels bad, but trying to make this recent development look good seem futile. I understand terror prevention. I can put up with being scanned at the airport. I can make myself accept limitations on luggage, drinks and nail clippers when travelling internationally. Closing down the internet and taking all the ludicrous legal capers of China, Iran, post-Nazi-denazified-censored-Germany to an international level seems to be very, very un-American to me.
 
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I personally don't think we are, hell we aren't even close. In "V for Vendetta" you couldn't speak out against the government or the people running it, yet Fox news and "The Daily Show/Cobert Report" regularly criticize and mock the people in power. The Occupy Wall Street movement is a prime example of free speech in action. If you disagree with the way things are going, you are free to say so. As much as I want certain radical groups like the Westburo Baptist Church and the KKK to be forcible silenced, it would also mean that my voice would be as well. It's a small price to pay to be able to freely speak my mind and let my opinions be heard.
 

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ravenshrike said:
I think Mike Kupari's answer to this entire brouhaha belongs in this thread.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/sopa/

You didn?t care when the government decided it could spy on you without a warrant. You didn?t care when they started telling you what you could eat. You didn?t care when your kids? education was turned into indoctrination. You didn?t care when they were more worried about military veterans than Islamic terrorists. You didn?t care when they spent so much money that our entire economic system may co?llapse. You didn?t care when they gave billions of your money to unions and corporations that were their political contributors. You didn?t care when inert cosmetic features on guns were felonies. You didn?t care when they made it a fucking crime to not have government approved health insurance.

All of these things were done in your name. On your behalf. To help you, protect you, take care of you. Each time you gave them more power and gave away more of your freedom. Each time you believed them when they said they were protecting you, or helping the less fortunate, or sticking it to ?the rich? who ?aren?t paying their fair share?.

Each time you applauded their efforts. Mocked those that were concerned. Called them uncaring or racist or alarmist or stupid. Each time you asked for more. You begged them to take care of you, protect you, right wrongs, enforce equality.

But now that your Internet porn and bit torrents are threatened, NOW you care?

It?s too late for all that, kids. Turning off Wikipedia for a couple days isn?t going to win back the freedoms we?ve pissed away. It isn?t going to undo decades of expanding government power. They?ve already decided there?s nothing they can?t do, no law they can?t pass.

We watched it happen. We let it happen. We have the country we deserve.

So go ahead, post a rant about SOPA on your blog. Link to Ron Paul?s web page. Pretend you?re doing something. It?ll make you feel better. Then you will go back to business as usual and so will they.

Democracy in action. Isn?t it beautiful?
the biggest counter to this argument is many of the people being effected by this have had no say in any of that stuff, as someone who is only 20 years old ive only had the right to vote for 2 years, so essentialy i had no say in any of these previous descions, thats why arguments like this annoy me, i didnt want any of that stuff, but a 15 year old cant exactly vote against them now can he?