Is it racism?

[BallPtPenTheif]

Political correctness can only go so far. Eventually we have to put a stop to the idea that rules don't apply to certian people because of race or religion.

I don't know I mean if it's a law intended for his own safety just make the guy sign a legal waiver that wouldn't make drivers responsible for his death when they give him an accidental love tap with their bumper.

I actually think it's more politically correct to have government play Mr. Mom for the safety of each individual.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

This is another "OMG HOLOCAUST!!!" type thing.
I'll explain : A FEW Jewish people still complaining about the holocaust and are trying to get pitied for it still. I know actual Jewish people who are sick and tired of this kind of crap. The same thing now with Native people complaining that "you stole our land!" Listen mate, I wasn't around when your land was stolen, and neither were you, don't get personal about it. I'm making a thread that is about the here and now! get with it or gtfo.

It just stinks of social hypocrisy:

"It's perfectly okay and chill for our ancestors to come to America and completely obliterate the lives and cultures of those who lived here for thousands of years, but you are going to have one hell of a thing coming to you if you immigrate to our country that we've only been in for a couple hundred years and dare wear a turban on a motorcycle."

We aren't our ancestors. We agree what they did was wrong. Get over it.

thank you that was the point I was trying to get across...

Then why is everyone making such a big ruckus over such trivialities? I wear a red thread bracelet around my wrist as an expression of one of the cultures I am proud to be from. Colorblind people might not be able to see it and then they might be endangered by not knowing it exists oh noes I must assimilate!

And you're not getting it apparently. The Bracelet doesn't affect laws and regulations put in place in the country before you decided to go there. There isn't a "NO RED BRACELET" law. So you're not disrupting anything. All the examples I stated were about people wanting to change LAWS and such to accommodate themselves to the detriment of others and sometimes even themselves (think the turban on a motorcycle instead of a helmet). Now, hypothetically, if there was a "No Red Bracelet" law in a certain country, you would have to take it off and suck it up. Laws are in place for a reason. It's not about certain people being offended, it's about public safety and justice.

 

[Erana]

It's not racism, but they may argue it's a form of bigotry. On the other hand, when they immigrate they agree to abide by the laws of your country, so in my opinion it's fair for your government to say no you can't.

At teh same time, though, doesn't that make the laws supersede their own purpose of protecting people's rights?
With the turban thing, that is. Anti-gay things are just plain offensive.
And as for the small knives, I think that it shouldn't be an issue until someone abuses the rule. I mean, Siks are supposed to carry 'em around to protect those around them.

 

[Fanboy]

It's not racism, but they may argue it's a form of bigotry. On the other hand, when they immigrate they agree to abide by the laws of your country, so in my opinion it's fair for your government to say no you can't.

At teh same time, though, doesn't that make the laws supersede their own purpose of protecting people's rights?
With the turban thing, that is. Anti-gay things are just plain offensive.
And as for the small knives, I think that it shouldn't be an issue until someone abuses the rule. I mean, Siks are supposed to carry 'em around to protect those around them.

But if they are allowed knives, why shouldn't all the kids be allowed to have them?

It's an unfair exception.

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

No, that's not racism, that's common sense.

You don't want to wear a motorcycle-helmet? Then don't ride a goddamn motorbike.
You don't want to wear the RCMP uniform, then don't join the goddamn RCMP.

That goes for everyone, turban or no bloody turban.

Sounds about right to me...

And please lay off all that evil colonization argument against Europeans, please. I'm an Asian and I'm not trying to make light of their impact on the Americas, but I'm tired of seeing people use that against Europeans who have been here a long time. All people from those times are dead now and attacking their descendants that did nothing wrong isn't going to solve anything. YES, it was terrible, we all get that but opening old wounds is not going to help anybody. I consider it OUR land now any way and we're all in this together. Besides, if your going to mention Native Americans to remember them, then remember them for being a great people, not victims.

I personally think everyone is racist, just a matter of how much.
How we see someone does affect our opinion of them no matter how much we say it doesn't.

If their voting to change something, then fine, their apart of the system and deserve a voice.

But if there changing something for a Religious matter, then respect our laws and beliefs too or the world better get used to the Church of me where sunglasses and radio speakers are mandatory at all times.

 

[Slayer_2]

lol wow, I start a topic on racism and I get this as a question... go figure...

My father was married and was in a Heterosexual relationship with my mom. But eventually he realized that he was gay, and that the relationship wasn't going to work.

Actually, people should be able to figure this out. I have an uncle who had a similar situation. After 2 kids, he realized he was gay. He's a pretty cool guy, knowing a gay person goes a long way in stopping any homophobia you may have. Most gays don't know they're gay as soon as they're born

Slightly more on topic, here's another question about racism: is it racist to give the Native people a monthly allowance, but nobody else gets it? I'm from Canada, and everywhere I go, I see or hear about the Native people of our country getting special treatment because they were born with brown skin. Now, I know we took "thier" land, but in a way, we took it through war, and the spoils go to the victor. Add to that fact its been 200 years since then, I have to wonder how long this is going to keep happening. Almost every country in the world has land taken in old wars or disputes, but not many carry on this tradition of giving the conqured race an allowance and pats on the head. Now I'm not saying they should be punished or anything, but after 200 years, can't they conform to our lifestyle without support? Does their race affect their ability to get a job and live the "American Dream".

And I agree with the poster above me, everyone is a little racist, after all, I think all Asians are too smart and all British people like crumpets and tea.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

It's not racism, but they may argue it's a form of bigotry. On the other hand, when they immigrate they agree to abide by the laws of your country, so in my opinion it's fair for your government to say no you can't.

At teh same time, though, doesn't that make the laws supersede their own purpose of protecting people's rights?
With the turban thing, that is. Anti-gay things are just plain offensive.
And as for the small knives, I think that it shouldn't be an issue until someone abuses the rule. I mean, Siks are supposed to carry 'em around to protect those around them.

Until someone abuses the rule? That's like saying We're not going to put salt on icy roads until someone gets into a car accident!

And giving knives to children is not a great idea... You don't allow a person who can't reason, has a high tendency to throw fits or can be capricious to carry a weapon around other people. "Children can be cruel" that shit is damn true, don't arm them on top of that.

 

[Erana]

It's not racism, but they may argue it's a form of bigotry. On the other hand, when they immigrate they agree to abide by the laws of your country, so in my opinion it's fair for your government to say no you can't.

At teh same time, though, doesn't that make the laws supersede their own purpose of protecting people's rights?
With the turban thing, that is. Anti-gay things are just plain offensive.
And as for the small knives, I think that it shouldn't be an issue until someone abuses the rule. I mean, Siks are supposed to carry 'em around to protect those around them.

But if they are allowed knives, why shouldn't all the kids be allowed to have them?

It's an unfair exception.

Well, who cares about "fairness" in a situation like this? Its a privelage that they have been alotted under the assumption that they will obey their religion when having them on their persons. I mean, if you were in an apartment building, and you had a slightly bigger apartment for the same price as the other tennants, how would you feel if they insisted that you move to another, smaller room? Sure, that would be more, "Fair," but if you aren't doing any ill to them, then why should you suffer from their greed?

What could any other kids want to do with a knife, anyway?

 

[SimplyTheWest]

My personal thought is that if you go into another country, you abide by there laws. It is only fair to the people already living in the country. If people come into a country and decide they are not going to abide to these laws, then should not of come in the first place.

 

[Midnghtjade83]

But Eggo! There's a total difference.

That being that Europeans came and forcefully took a continent over with superior weaponry and flocks of oppressed religious groups. They came enmasse with no real concern or care for the native peoples and honestly didn't think of them as "people" at all.

Theses immigrants are trickling in in small numbers and severely lack in laser gun technology. Therefore they are still forced to abide by Canadian (or American) laws.

 

[Easykill]

Eggo, shut up. To some extent, you're right. Even today, I'm sure if we found a weaker civilization than ours with a bunch of land and resources much the same thing would happen as what happened to the Natives in the Americas; but what you're doing here is ignoring the (Rather weak)point and taking the opportunity to stereotype everyone into what might not even be their culture, a couple hundred years earlier in it's evolution. I'd say that makes you the biggest bigot here. People don't fit into slots that easily.

As for the topic; I pretty much think anyone should be able to do whatever the hell they want. As that isn't going to happen, I'll settle with saying that they should follow what the current laws of Canada are for now, and try to get them changed. For company policies and such, a code needs to be developed to stop any sort of bigotries there. But, they should obey the law for now. Stupid laws....

 

[Arsen]

I'm all for multiculturalism, but it's a two way street.

If immigrants expect us to adopt or adapt to their customs, they have to do the same in change.

/thread

 

[sheic99]

im sorry but i dont actualy have anyhitng to say to this but um... how can you be born and your dad gay? ok I know about adoption and stuff... but yea just wondering

I can't really answer this for him, but my dad came out when I was 15.

Very off topic: How did you survive school?

He didn't tell me for another year or so. I only told two people during high school and he never came to sports events.

 

[jboking]

This is another "OMG HOLOCAUST!!!" type thing.
I'll explain : A FEW Jewish people still complaining about the holocaust and are trying to get pitied for it still. I know actual Jewish people who are sick and tired of this kind of crap. The same thing now with Native people complaining that "you stole our land!" Listen mate, I wasn't around when your land was stolen, and neither were you, don't get personal about it. I'm making a thread that is about the here and now! get with it or gtfo.

It just stinks of social hypocrisy:

"It's perfectly okay and chill for our ancestors to come to America and completely obliterate the lives and cultures of those who lived here for thousands of years, but you are going to have one hell of a thing coming to you if you immigrate to our country that we've only been in for a couple hundred years and dare wear a turban on a motorcycle.

Assimilate or go back to your country!"

Maybe we learned that all people are inherently evil and are going to try and do to us what we did to others hundreds of years ago and so we become defensive. It could also be that we advanced as a society and are not worried about them trying to take us over, but instead them endangering themselves (as with the turban thing) or possibly endangering others (the kirpan).

Before you get pissy about me calling the kirpan a weapon, I realize that it is not supposed to be used offensively, but the possibility remains that it can be used to harm others. It's sort of like saying "I want a loaded gun on me at all times, but I promise I will only use it defensively." the best compromise came from that wikipedia page.

...for example, rules in some California schools require that the kirpan be blunted and riveted into a sheath. This prevents any possible use of the kirpan as a weapon, but still allows it as a physical symbol of faith."

That seems fair enough to me. What do you think
Eggo?