Is it weird/predatory for an 18 year old to date a 21 year old?

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People are still teenagers around their 20s.

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...Taken in a vacuum? No. But considering that you asked a similar question with 17 and 19 two years ago, the implications of the retread do make me raise an eyebrow
 

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CrazyDiamond said:
I was wondering, how is the relationship generally viewed? I heard some say its predatory? Are the gaps too big for a relation to work.
Use the general rule of (half the older age) + 7. (21/2)+7 = 17.5, so 18 is fine. Just.

I'm half joking - half because I actually think the rule is a lot more useful than might be initially thought.

Generally I think things are liable to work best when both people are in relatively similar phases of life. These phases tend to shift rapidly in youth, and slow down as people get older. School to ~18, then maybe ~3-4 years university or early career, up to the mid/late 20s later development and settling in, then stability (kids, mortgages, etc.) throughout the 30s into the 40s, then middle age to retirement, old age the rest. Applying the above formula, chances are you're with someone at least reaching distance of a similar perspective.

If you want to date someone well out of phase, it greatly reduces the chance you're really on a level. At the worst, it can even be unhealthy such as an older partner who craves the admiration of the naive and physique of the young rather than their value as a person. It's not always going to be bad, of course, but ultimately I suspect large age differences rarely tend to be most constructive for the relationship or either partner within it. Mind you, lots of the relationships will also break down when a change in "phase" occurs, as the alteration causes reassessment of circumstances, relationship included, and the bigger the age gap, bigger the problem.

I suspect I could struggle to have a deep emotional and personal relationship with someone considerably younger / older than myself. I might like them in many ways, but I fear it's unlikely we'd really be looking in the same direction in life much of the same time, have the same cultural reference points, etc. That, I suspect, would always leave a substantial gap between us.
 

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CrazyDiamond said:
I was wondering, how is the relationship generally viewed? I heard some say its predatory? Are the gaps too big for a relation to work.
Umm...

Silentpony said:
https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.945514-Is-it-weird-creepy-for-a-19-year-to-date-a-17-year-old

Explain yourself. Is there someone you want to date or are you a dating site bot?
Yeah, this is getting weird. I have a feeling OP has just been biding their time, being interested in someone else but doesn't have the balls to just ask them out. So they keep wondering in their mind if it's creepy to date them due to age... when they probably know sub-consciously that it's not about that, they're just being really creepy by obsessing over this one person for this long.

That's just my guess. But it's my best explanation as to why this keeps coming back
 

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18 is the age you are considered an adult in the UK. Age of consent is 16 if the partner is within two years of age. Your talking about an age gap of 3 years where everyone involved is above 18, I cannot see how this could even be considered a problem.
 

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Marik2 said:
People are still teenagers around their 20s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIiWga5I4AE
Trump is still a teenager... I'd also put into the teenager category people who use the terms: snowflake, Millenial, entitled. Becuase they generally are the ones being a snowflake or entitled.
 

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Age of consent here in NZ is 16, but you'll only get the book thrown at you if you're like 25 and you sleep with a 13 year old. My former flatmate slept with a 15 year old when he was 30, and most people's reaction's around here were "that's pretty messed up" in a frowny way, not in a moralising way like sex offender christian politicians.
 

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The op doesn't say anything about sex, just dating. Ok, yeah, that might be implied, but not necessarily.
 

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18 is technically legal, but for all you people over 21 just remember how stupid and naive you were when you were 18 and ask yourself if you would trust yourself
Good advice but, in hindsight, I was still nearly as much a dingus at 21.
 

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ebalosus said:
Age of consent here in NZ is 16, but you'll only get the book thrown at you if you're like 25 and you sleep with a 13 year old. My former flatmate slept with a 15 year old when he was 30, and most people's reaction's around here were "that's pretty messed up" in a frowny way, not in a moralising way like sex offender christian politicians.
Wait, what? I thought it was 18 here? are you sure its 16?
 

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Wakey87 said:
18 is the age you are considered an adult in the UK. Age of consent is 16 if the partner is within two years of age. Your talking about an age gap of 3 years where everyone involved is above 18, I cannot see how this could even be considered a problem.
Elvis Starburst said:
CrazyDiamond said:
I was wondering, how is the relationship generally viewed? I heard some say its predatory? Are the gaps too big for a relation to work.
Umm...

Silentpony said:
https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.945514-Is-it-weird-creepy-for-a-19-year-to-date-a-17-year-old

Explain yourself. Is there someone you want to date or are you a dating site bot?
Yeah, this is getting weird. I have a feeling OP has just been biding their time, being interested in someone else but doesn't have the balls to just ask them out. So they keep wondering in their mind if it's creepy to date them due to age... when they probably know sub-consciously that it's not about that, they're just being really creepy by obsessing over this one person for this long.

That's just my guess. But it's my best explanation as to why this keeps coming back
No. I'm just anxious worried about my age a lot and ruminate about it quite a bit. Kind of going through a quarter life crisis.
 

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I mean, it can be..

A lot happens to many people between the ages of 18 and 21. It's an age where people are legally adults, but most people are still very much learning how to be adults, and that includes things like how to recognise red flags in a relationship.

Most of my friends at that age ended up dating people a few years older than them. For some, it was a positive experience, but for quite a few it ended in emotional or physical abuse by people who took advantage of their relative inexperience, and whose entire goal in getting into a relationship with someone younger was very clearly to have that kind of power.

It's always worth bearing in mind that people can be vulnerable to or to getting into toxic relationships no matter what age they are, but in general less experienced people are more vulnerable, and younger people tend to be less experienced. If someone consistently goes after people younger than them, even if they're quite young themselves, then you should at least consider the possibility that they might not have the best of intentions.
Can 18/20 and 19/21 be predatory then
 

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trunkage said:
I dated a 25 year old when I was 18. I dated an 18 year old at 22. Been on both sides.

I'd say that generally, due to age it not predatory. But there are some circumstance that could make it predatory if someone leverages maturity into domination of an individual. But that's not just 18 year olds
Eh, i'd say 22 and 18 is kind of weird and 25/18 is 100%
 

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CrazyDiamond said:
Can 18/20 and 19/21 be predatory then
In theory, a 15 year old could prey on a 30 year old - it'd just be much less likely. Sexual predation (not including physical coercion) is really about exploiting psychological vulnerability. Obviously naivety is a very significant form of vulnerability the young are particularly prone to suffer, but there are plenty more.

Ages of consent basically reflect very general rules, sort of population trends. A random person of that age is sufficiently likely to be competent to consent under normal conditions that it may as well be the cutoff point.
 

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Samos205 said:
ebalosus said:
Age of consent here in NZ is 16, but you'll only get the book thrown at you if you're like 25 and you sleep with a 13 year old. My former flatmate slept with a 15 year old when he was 30, and most people's reaction's around here were "that's pretty messed up" in a frowny way, not in a moralising way like sex offender christian politicians.
Wait, what? I thought it was 18 here? are you sure its 16?
it's 16 in both Australia and NZ. :3
 

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Notably, it used to be 16 for different gender couples, but 18 for same gender couples in Queensland until fairly recently, and didn't the usual suspects make a fuss over getting it set on 16.