Is it your own responsibility to avoid spoilers?

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MrSchmeiser

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I'm a type of dude that doesn't give a shit about spoilers but wants to rather know how will they make that scene in that movie/book/series. I pretty much know everything that will happen in GoT(even though i never read the books) but i still wanna see how it will be executed by the directors :)
 

Frankster

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I'm a bit like Zontar in that spoilers never really affected my enjoyment of any media I can think of, others have casually spoiled things for me frequently enough due to my tendency to jump on bandwagons only after the hype is gone (to give a gaming example..Bioshock infinite which I bought like last month I think, with what people told me I was able to figure out the plot in the first hour and the likely end twist
I'm guessing the comstock lady is gonna be elizabeth from the future or an alternate timeline. Also Booker is totally gonna die at the end.
. Though maybe that's a bad example as I ended up disliking the game as found the gameplay to be very subpar and since I sort of knew where the story was going I wasn't exactly enraptured by it.

Still, whilst it's nice to be surprised by a series, I just shrug if someone spoils something for me.

Conversely I try not to spoil stories for others, but due to my laissez faire attitude there's been a few times I was casually chatting about a piece of media in what I thought would be a thread mainly for those with some knowledge of what is being discussed... Only to have random dudes raging at me for OMG SPOILERS. At which point I'll usually go back and edit in spoilers, unless the person raging was particularly obnoxious and/or snarky.

Catchpra: This is SPARTA! So next time someone snaps at me for spoilers I should kick them down a well? A bit extreme catchpra but you always know best!
 

Imperioratorex Caprae

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I don't have a problem with them, and if I happen to accidentally spoil a story it really doesn't affect me. Reading the media in question doesn't give me the same experience as actually experiencing the thing as a whole.
Even books, because reading a summary does not execute the story as well as the writer did (unless you're talking about a poorly written piece of trash).
 
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i would say up until the DVD release, not spoiler tagging is a cheap move.

that said, if you intentionally go to say a story about Game of Thrones S4E7, youre gonna be in for a spoiler filled time
 

ninjaRiv

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To a point, yeah, it's our own responsibility. I've been avoiding anything with Game of Thrones even mentioned, yet I still know some pretty important things just because people have thrown in out there. I mostly see it just casually scrolling through Facebook.

But saying that, I think everyone should be putting spoiler warnings up regardless. If you're making a thread about Game of Thrones that you know will have spoilers, note that it will have fucking spoilers in there. If you're writing an article about Game of Thrones, note that it has fucking spoilers. Episode recaps shouldn't need to note it, though; it goes without saying there's going to be spoilers.

Can you tell I'm pissed off at the GoT spoilers? Man, people's attitudes towards spoilers can piss me off sometimes. "You should have watched it already, it's all fair game." No it's not.
 

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Steve Waltz said:
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the experience. For example, a few days ago I finally bought Bioshock Infinite and just started playing. However, I already know the big spoiler ending
The bad guy is the Booker from the future and Elizabeth is his daughter or something
but that doesn't mean I won't be able to enjoy the game or figure out how it happened. I mean, if someone spoiled the next Walking Dead by telling me that Luke dies I'd be pretty bummed, but I still really look forward to seeing how it happened because there's still 1,000 ways it could happen.
Especially since that's not quite how it ends. The actual twist is...a few plates of spaghetti more twisty.
 

Sutter Cane

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I think the majority of the responsibility is on the person doing the spoiling. For example I'm late to this whole Game of Thrones thing, and I am currently watching season 2 with my girlfriend. I am also a fan of wwe. Despite the fact that I would like to see the reactions of the people i follow on twitter to the once a month ppvs, basically have to stay off social media entirely since other people that I follow decide it's a good idea to livetweet game of thrones spoilers. I've also had several other things spoiled for me by people who just bring them up out of the blue in unrelated discussions. Why should I basically have to quit the internet to avoid having this shit spoiled for me.
 

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I am pretty sick of the spoiler thing. It's a relic of the pre-Internet era that sorely needs to die. The whole point of the Internet is to make information available, to let us know what's happening, to avoid surprises when humanly possible. All this "trying to avoid spoilers" stuff is just unnatural for a connected world.
 

Lieju

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I do hate being spoiled, and there have been movies or books I didn't watch or read because of that.

They were based on a mystery, though. How much a spoiler affects your enjoyement depends on the thing. Something like a murder mystery is much more enjoyable if you go in blind and try to figure it out. Telling you the answer to the mystery is like telling you the answer to a puzzle.

And in general, being spoiled is like experiencing the story in the wrong order. One of my favourite books (I won't say which) has a main character who starts out as sympathetic, and he has a horrible relationship with his wife and things happen. And little by little he gets worse, and eventually he rapes his wife. I don't think it would be as impactful if you knew how it ended up, since you could spot the signs of what's to come. The horror in the book comes from sympathising with someone and then realizing what kind of things they do behind closed doors.

Many stories rely on your expectations to tell their story.

But then there are 'spoilers' that have nothing to do with anything. Like the one about Star Trek; Into Darkness. Man, had that nothing to do with anything. It was there just to get the 'OOOH!' reaction out of the audience to fool them into being impressed.

As for avoiding them, some basic courtesy is nice.
Andysweden said:
I think generally there is a time limit on everything, If you haven't watched a season finale or a sporting event within 24 hours of it airing then you really have no right to ***** about someone spilling the beans.
Not that all countries get those series (legally) at the same time.
 

AnarchistFish

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Keoul said:
Yeah I see it as your own responsibility, even more so with tv shows and such that weren't adapted from a book. If a new episode came out then avoid any part of the internet with people talking like the plague until you've seen the episode

Wanna go on youtube? that's fine, just never scroll down to the comments, Wanna check out the escapist forums? that's fine, just avoid all threads with any mention of the show.

People shouldn't have an obligation to make sure you're caught up to whatever it is before talking about it since that is both unreasonable and would be impossible. Imagine being in a bar and wanting to talk about the latest Game of Thrones episode with a buddy, you'd have to ask everyone in the bar to check if they've watched it as well or else you'd risk spoiling it for someone and get told off.

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I want to see these studies because I have never experienced this.
Here you go
http://static.squarespace.com/static/5033029a84ae7fae2e6a0a98/t/50d4c905e4b0e383f5b0aae6/1356122373363/Story%20Spoilers%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Spoil%20Stories.pdf
I have a couple of problems with this study and the conclusion they make.

Firstly, short stories aren't the same thing as novels or TV shows. They haven't controlled for this.

My suspicion would be that because novels and TV shows are longer, you're more likely to become deeply connected with the character's journey and the mystery of wondering where it will take them. Short stories are more likely to be based around a message or a philosophical idea intended to make you think and you're much less likely to get bored knowing the ending because they're shorter.

Either way, they'd need to do more research.

Secondly, and this is strongly related, not all spoilers and their respective stories are the same. These kinds of spoilers

(e.g., that the
condemned man?s daring escape is just a fantasy as the rope
snaps taut around his neck) or solved the crime (e.g., Poirot
discovers that the apparent target of attempted murder was in
fact the perpetrator)
frisky adolescents watching a couple
struggle with a baby are revealed to be previewing their own
futures, and the couple glimpsing their own pasts
are not the same as saying "xxx dies" or "xxx lives".

In the study's examples you can then try to predict how the character will develop in relation to your knowledge of what that character realises in the end and then witness it in action. Authors often give the reader that kind of omniscience for that very purpose.

But if all you're told is "xxx dies", all that tells you is that this character will die. It might not even be part of the story's ending (i.e. Harry Potter novels..). There's no character development to think about. All it does is destroy the mystery.

With Breaking Bad, much of the tension lies in "will he become a kingpin?, will he give it all up?, or will it all destroy him?". Spoilers like the one on the first page destroy that tension.

Think about The Sixth Sense. So much of its premise and how it fucks with your head is based around you not knowing the ending whilst you're watching it. Because it's a psychological thriller, not a mystery or a literary story.

tldr; not all stories are the same and not all spoilers are the same and they'd need to do much much more research into this to conclude absolutely that "spoilers don't spoil" than this single fairly narrow albeit interesting study.
 

ninjaRiv

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Andysweden said:
I think generally there is a time limit on everything, If you haven't watched a season finale or a sporting event within 24 hours of it airing then you really have no right to ***** about someone spilling the beans.
What about the in different countries who don't see a show until a week later, or those who can't afford a channel (such as HBO) and have to wait a YEAR for a box set (Fucking HBO, man)?

I agree with a time limit, to a point. If you haven't seen Seven or Sixth Sense, you're doing something wrong and shouldn't expect everyone to avoid spoiling it just because you've decided it's not worth seeing all these years.

But, there's no harm in spoiler warning. Takes a few seconds to do and only benefits everyone. The person who hasn't seen it won't have it ruined for them and the person who has seen it doesn't get the bitching.
 

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ninjaRiv said:
Andysweden said:
I think generally there is a time limit on everything, If you haven't watched a season finale or a sporting event within 24 hours of it airing then you really have no right to ***** about someone spilling the beans.
What about the in different countries who don't see a show until a week later, or those who can't afford a channel (such as HBO) and have to wait a YEAR for a box set (Fucking HBO, man)?

I agree with a time limit, to a point. If you haven't seen Seven or Sixth Sense, you're doing something wrong and shouldn't expect everyone to avoid spoiling it just because you've decided it's not worth seeing all these years.

But, there's no harm in spoiler warning. Takes a few seconds to do and only benefits everyone. The person who hasn't seen it won't have it ruined for them and the person who has seen it doesn't get the bitching.
Yes you can argue broadcast schedules, but I think it's naive to think people who really want to see a series don't immediately torrent it as soon as it's available.

I agree with spoiler warnings, But I also think you'd be pretty dumb to go into a thread pertaining to the series of interest and not expect a spoiler if you are not up to date with the latest episode.
 

ninjaRiv

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Andysweden said:
ninjaRiv said:
Andysweden said:
I think generally there is a time limit on everything, If you haven't watched a season finale or a sporting event within 24 hours of it airing then you really have no right to ***** about someone spilling the beans.
What about the in different countries who don't see a show until a week later, or those who can't afford a channel (such as HBO) and have to wait a YEAR for a box set (Fucking HBO, man)?

I agree with a time limit, to a point. If you haven't seen Seven or Sixth Sense, you're doing something wrong and shouldn't expect everyone to avoid spoiling it just because you've decided it's not worth seeing all these years.

But, there's no harm in spoiler warning. Takes a few seconds to do and only benefits everyone. The person who hasn't seen it won't have it ruined for them and the person who has seen it doesn't get the bitching.
Yes you can argue broadcast schedules, but I think it's naive to think people who really want to see a series don't immediately torrent it as soon as it's available.

I agree with spoiler warnings, But I also think you'd be pretty dumb to go into a thread pertaining to the series of interest and not expect a spoiler if you are not up to date with the latest episode.
Well, I don't torrent Game of Thrones. Nor Arrow or Agents of Shield. Simply because that's not how I roll, I like to support the shows I watch and I don't want my computer full of viruses.

True, it's easy to avoid threads titled "Anyone see X last night?" and such. Anyone who goes into those and complains about the spoilers is an idiot. Problem is, a lot of spoilers are just splashed on the likes of Facebook. Part of my job involves being on Facebook on a daily basis, so you can imagine how much of a pain in the ass that is.
 

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ninjaRiv said:
Well, I don't torrent Game of Thrones. Nor Arrow or Agents of Shield. Simply because that's not how I roll, I like to support the shows I watch and I don't want my computer full of viruses.

True, it's easy to avoid threads titled "Anyone see X last night?" and such. Anyone who goes into those and complains about the spoilers is an idiot. Problem is, a lot of spoilers are just splashed on the likes of Facebook. Part of my job involves being on Facebook on a daily basis, so you can imagine how much of a pain in the ass that is.
If you are being infected from video files then you are doing something wrong, but that's an argument for another thread.
There are plenty of reliable and safe sources to get your programs.
Also the with regards to supporting the show, I fully agree, which is why I and many people I know do buy the Blu Rays, merchandise etc once it becomes available.

The only reason I do get things from other sources is because many shows will not be aired here for several weeks, and then one could argue that by re-watching them and sitting through the adverts, that I am actually supporting the show.
(not the mention the mandatory TV license fee I have to pay)

Facebook.. yes, a bad place to be when trying to avoid any spoilers, you have my sympathies, at least I am not required to use that particular form of media.
 

ninjaRiv

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Andysweden said:
If you are being infected from video files then you are doing something wrong, but that's an argument for another thread.
There are plenty of reliable and safe sources to get your programs.
Also the with regards to supporting the show, I fully agree, which is why I and many people I know do buy the Blu Rays, merchandise etc once it becomes available.

The only reason I do get things from other sources is because many shows will not be aired here for several weeks, and then one could argue that by re-watching them and sitting through the adverts, that I am actually supporting the show.
(not the mention the mandatory TV license fee I have to pay)

Facebook.. yes, a bad place to be when trying to avoid any spoilers, you have my sympathies, at least I am not required to use that particular form of media.
I have an oldish, slow computer, to be fair.

Box sets are expensive, so I avoid buying those when I can. But true, support can be offered by buying merch. All the same, viewing figures count for a lot.

Yeah, the TV license is a pain. But that's a whole different rant I don't want to write.
 

Coruptin

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I've seen people throwing a fit over being 'spoiled' on who would show up in the new transformers movie
I'm not too thrilled about this anti-spoilers culture

The only thing spoilers can actually diminish the enjoyment of are horror genre entertainment. For everything else, it let's you focus less on the bigger picture and let's you pick up on nuances and subtle details. Spoilers basically gives you the experience of doing something for the second time on the first time. I've read most of the spoilers on what'll probably be in this season of game of thrones and if I didn't know what was coming there would've been a lot more groaning and calling bullshit on my part, but because I know its coming I can reflect on those events before they happen and make peace with them.

Edit: I completely forgot about comedy which can also be diminished by spoilers
 

Jacco

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If people would just take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming everyone else and expecting the world to cater to them, this wouldn't even be a question. Being spoiled on something is just one of those things you should expect. There is so much information out there all the time that you are bound to come across is. If you don't want GOT or BB spoilers, don't go to places where those are likely to be. You wouldn't go into the Amazon and expect all the bugs to just leave you alone, would you?
 

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Queen Michael said:
IF you click on something that clearly is about the movie in question, then you have only yourself to blame. But in all cases where it's not completely, 100% clear that it's about a new movie (or book or TV episode or whatever) then it's other people's responsibility to keep mum. I saw some Godzilla spoilers on Twitter two days after it had premiered. That was just ridiculous. Some people assume that you watch everything on the premiere. That's why I'm going to go see X-Men: Days of Future Past at a special early showing the day after tomorrow.
What do you expect when you frequent a site like Twitter whose very purpose is to spread messages like a virus?
I haven't seen Godzilla nor do I care to, but let me guess, Godzilla/Humanity wins?

In this day and age if you want things to be spoiler free you pretty much have to curtail your online social life, and if you aren't prepared to, tough.
 

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This reminds me of a joke a friend of mine had played on him.

His buddy texts him as we're going to see the movie Lone Survivor that "spoiler: only one guy lives in the end". This did actually piss him off until it clicked that the movie is called Lone Survivor. It was a good laugh.

As for the topic at hand... honestly it's pretty simple to avoid spoilers. It's not like they come out of nowhere with OMGAERISDIES in the middle of conversation. If you know where it's heading, and you so much as spot any terms you recognize, abort the thread, ignore the conversation, w/e. It just requires paying attention.