is positive racism as bad as negative racism

[shootthebandit]

i just read another thread with a similar issue but i thought i would elaborate with a new thread. In britain we live in a multicultural society and it has it good points and its bad points but im beginning to get the sense that the people who are getting most racism are "white british". If a person of ethnic background were to offend me with such phrases as honky, vanilla etc then nothing would be done about it but if i were to retaliate then i would suffer a greater punishment.

i also think that some of our rules are "fudged" for other religious backgrounds, i think its unfair that we have to abide by these rules but because it clashes with someones faith then they are neglected. I dont have a problem with respecting other cultures but i think that people should respect our culture and our rules. if i went to suadi arabia i would adere to thier rules and im sure that british women have to wear a headscarf in suadi despite the fact that it clashes with OUR tradition. i think that people should adere to the culture/rules of country they are a guest (or immigrated to). i think that it would be ok if they allowed an expection in the rules for everyone, after all isnt racism when people of a different background are treated differently from those from another background.

just to clarify, i would not mind if people were treated equally and exceptions were made from religions if the same exception was made for everyone. its just my opinion that positive racism towards ethinic people is inadvertantly become negative racism towards white people. im not racist towards other cultures (as i said, if i went to another country i would adere to thier culture)

although it could be argued that us britons have ruined the culture of spain, and it could be argued that as a nation we dont take religion as seriously as muslims and sikhs and that we dont appreciate religion on the same level as them.

 

[Zombie Nixon]

no such thing as positive racism

 

[hyrulegaybar]

I gotta go with Zero Punctuation on this one. If we can't have a society where we can poke fun of each other without a bunch of idiots blabbering on about how it's offensive and goes too far, then we cannot ever have a mutually respectful society.

If you're going to immigrate somewhere, you should be allowed to retain as much of your culture as you like. You are not immune from the laws of your new host nation, however. If you disagree with the laws, either fight to have them changed (which some are obviously doing, and that's their right just as much as it's your to oppose it) or find a different host country. People are entitled to fight for their culture and their comfort. Doesn't mean they'll get it though.

We will never have full equality however. We have to view this as an attempt at approaching as close as we can to 100% equality.

 

[hyrulegaybar]

no such thing as positive racism

Sure there is! For example:

"I love black people!"
"Asians are really smart!"
"Hispanic people cook really well!"

Doesn't mean that it's accurate.

 

[Kenji_03]

Okay, considering this is a forum for good videos let me answer your British related question by a British man by the name of Pat Condell. He's kind of like Yantzee, but without as many cute analogies.

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u/0/y9dXGJ2rYdA - an edgey and possibly racist video "constructively criticizing" the phenomenon of Islam in Britain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ZLXbKeL2U - since overbearing Californian hippies took offence to his possibly racist video (yay my home state T__T) he had to make a specific video in response to this.

Enjoy

 

[rockingnic]

I live in America so we have no culture, we just steal everyone else's...

 

[New York Patrick]

as we are not a minority what we want means fudge all

Exactly!

Because instead of moving away from racism completely, we, like a rocking ship, are and have been slowly moving in the other direction.

 

[JanatUrlich]

Positive discrimination actually annoys me more than blatant discrimination to be honest

 

[shootthebandit]

I gotta go with Zero Punctuation on this one. If we can't have a society where we can poke fun of each other without a bunch of idiots blabbering on about how it's offensive and goes too far, then we cannot ever have a mutually respectful society.

If you're going to immigrate somewhere, you should be allowed to retain as much of your culture as you like. You are not immune from the laws of your new host nation, however. If you disagree with the laws, either fight to have them changed (which some are obviously doing, and that's their right just as much as it's your to oppose it) or find a different host country. People are entitled to fight for their culture and their comfort. Doesn't mean they'll get it though.

We will never have full equality however. We have to view this as an attempt at approaching as close as we can to 100% equality.

i agree, im scottish and my friend is welsh. we are always poking fun at each other and noone takes offense.

if the whole world was like that then it would be a better place but most people arent like that and they cant laugh at themselves

 

[RollForInitiative]

Genuine racism equals fail, regardless of context. Jokes in good humor, however, I am all for.

 

[targren]

Special treatment is bullshit, for good or for ill.

 

[shootthebandit]

Positive discrimination actually annoys me more than blatant discrimination to be honest

i think that it may also be more offensive to be on the receiving end of positive racism

 

[Woodsey]

If someone called me cracker, honkey, white-boy, vanilla or whatever, I really could not give a shit. Nor do I know anyone that would care.

I can understand the whole deal with n*gger (us whites haven't suffered much oppression lately have we) because of where it stems from.

I find it funny about how anything that could be seen as racist if you're really twisting it around is only seen by white middle-class chaps, and yet if it's about someone black hardly any black people even mention it. I'm talking about the really stupid stuff you hear, not balls-out racism.

 

[shootthebandit]

If someone called me cracker, honkey, white-boy, vanilla or whatever, I really could not give a shit. Nor do I know anyone that would care.

I can understand the whole deal with n*gger (us whites haven't suffered much oppression lately have we) because of where it stems from.

I find it funny about how anything that could be seen as racist if you're really twisting it around is only seen by white middle-class chaps, and yet if it's about someone black hardly any black people even mention it. I'm talking about the really stupid stuff you hear, not balls-out racism.

true, but i think that its equally racist if an offensive remark is ignored or if a white person is accused of being racist for using a phrase such as "blackboard" or "blacksheep"

i actually find the word cracker offensive (despite being a chris rock fan) as it comes from whip-cracker

speaking of positive racism, i think that people who try to "act black" using phrases like "sup nigga" can be more offensive than simply calling a black person a ******

 

[JanatUrlich]

Positive discrimination actually annoys me more than blatant discrimination to be honest

i think that it may also be more offensive to be on the receiving end of positive racism

Yeah, exactly. Not only is it offensive, it's patronising too

 

[goatzilla8463]

I don't really care. I mean, as far as I can see, Islamic women wearing their face veils does not effect me in any way whatsoever.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

i think that people who try to "act black" using phrases like "sup nigga" can be more offensive than simply calling a black person a ******

indeed, and the same goes for the japan-crazed idiot children that want so desperately to be asian.


more to the point, positive racism is as bad as negative racism in that it attempts to classify a group of people and thus removes the sense of the individual. "all asians are good at math so its not as impressive that the korean guy has the best grades"

I liken it to RPG race-based skills. only more nonsensical. I always wonder, if asians are superstudents, black people are fantastic athletes, and hispanics are, i dunno, good cooks or something, what are us white people good at? I'd say conquering things. Very good at that


Racism is stupid, but it'll never go away. /sigh

 

[VanityGirl]

I live in America so we have no culture, we just steal everyone else's...

/fail.
Sorry, you deserve a fail. That's was uncalled for. I assume Italy has no culture? That comment was not well thought out. There's been many famous and very influential American poets and authors. What you said it just... wow.


If you live in either Britian or America, you should now that racism is a double standard. For exmaple, if a African American came up to you and said, "What you lookin at whitey" any retort you have to say would be racist.
Have you forgotten the L4D2 and Resi 5 racism debates? Everything is fine until you kill a black zombie. Sadly, the only people looking for racism are generally racist people themselves, I know it's rather mind blowing.

In Singapore, we had a melting pot of cultures and there seemed to honestly be little to no problems with the government making everyone happy. The Muslim people had their places of prayers, Catholics had their churches and Christians had their churches. No one was outright racist to another person. Then again the government would probably beat you with a cane if you were racist... I guess that's good motivation.