Is Sauron a minion?

[Lucifron]

If they made a movie about Silmarilion, I bet they'd wreck it.
The LOTR movies are good, but when you've spoken to someone whom actually read the books, you suddenly realize that they've taken a huge liberty with the movie and basically half-butchered LOTR :/

Half-butchered is pushing it, a lot. It's too much to expect the movies to slavishly follow the books word-by-word, and the movies turned out awesome while still capturing the feel of the books anyway. The technicalities don't bother me at all. Anyway, discussing a Silmarillion almost pointless, as the probability of a Silmarillion movie (or rather, trilogy or quadrilogy) being made is slim to none unless Peter Jackson decides to do it. A film version of the Silmarillion would have to diverge from its base material even further than the LotR movies did, but I wouldn't mind at all, I just want it to be made. Just imagine the epic scenes: the creation of the World, the Theft of the Silmarils, the Story of Feanor, Lammoth, Dagor Bragollach, the Fall of Gondolin, the story of Beren and Luthien, the War of friggin Wrath!!

I'd simply nerdgasm myself to nonexistence.

 

[verindae]

If they made a movie about Silmarilion, I bet they'd wreck it.
The LOTR movies are good, but when you've spoken to someone whom actually read the books, you suddenly realize that they've taken a huge liberty with the movie and basically half-butchered LOTR :/

Half-butchered is pushing it, a lot. It's too much to expect the movies to slavishly follow the books word-by-word, and the movies turned out awesome while still capturing the feel of the books anyway. The technicalities don't bother me at all. Anyway, discussing a Silmarillion almost pointless, as the probability of a Silmarillion movie (or rather, trilogy or quadrilogy) being made is slim to none unless Peter Jackson decides to do it. A film version of the Silmarillion would have to diverge from its base material even further than the LotR movies did, but I wouldn't mind at all, I just want it to be made. Just imagine the epic scenes: the creation of the World, the Theft of the Silmarils, the Story of Feanor, Lammoth, Dagor Bragollach, the Fall of Gondolin, the story of Beren and Luthien, the War of friggin Wrath!!

I'd simply nerdgasm myself to nonexistence.

I couldn't have said it better myself, I would offer you a cookie for posting excellence but I'm fresh out. How bout a Twix?

 

[Shemming]

Yes as people have pointed out morgoth and the Silmarillion.

 

[Lucifron]

I couldn't have said it better myself, I would offer you a cookie for posting excellence but I'm fresh out. How bout a Twix?

Give me a Snickers and we'll call it a day

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

I have a friend who would probably know, but frankly, the books bored me to death most of the time.

And anyway, it looks like someone else answered the question already.

 

[HT_Black]

Spoiler: Images be here

...No, I don't see it.

Seriously though, he was Morgoth's (or Melkor's, depending on the era) right hand prior to his downfall.

But here's one for you: weren't Gandalf and Sauron technically the same species?

 

[Latinidiot]

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Sauron was Moroth AKA The Evil Dark Lord Of Everything 's *****, then He kills him (in his sleep I think) and assumes direct control of the empire (dont quote me on that, haven't read The Silmarillion in ages)

I would hate you so much if it weren't for my forgiving personality. SEE? SEE HOW FORGIVING I AM? WORSHIP MEEEEEEEEEEE


*ahem*

anyway, Sauron was servant to Morgoth, or Melkor, who gets defeated at some point by some people I'm not going to talk about, because really, I don't like to spoil books.

 

[Billion Backs]

Not really, at least not in the Lord of The Rings.

Before Melkor was fucked over by Valars and pretty much anyone and I'm pretty sure forever imprisoned without a chance to come back, Sauron was his lieutenant.

Sauron managed to escape the wrath of, well, pretty much everyone, and pretend to help the "good guys". Later he managed to corrupt the Numenor and become what he was in Lord of the Rings.

 

[Imat]

Since reading through Lord of the Rings for the first time (up to the last book now). I've noticed that some wording in the book mentioned that Sauron was merely a emissary or servant for some greater overlord. Was wondering what everyone else's views were on this, as Tolkien could of been working on a sequel for the Middle Earth series but passed away before he could finish or begin it.

As someone has no doubt explained by now, Sauron is not really the head hancho. There is a guy above him, one of the actual higher lifeform kinda things, who turned evil first, Sauron was his lieutenant. The other higher-ups were the start of the elves, I can't remember if it was an offspring kinda thing or not, and thus the elves became the main enemies of Sauron and the main evil. Frodo Baggins ensues...

I should really read up on these things again, it has been awhile...

 

[Snowden's Secret]

Yes, Sauron was a servant of Morgoth, previously known as Melkor, who was essentially the first Dark Lord. Sauron was also a werewolf back then, for some reason.

 

[Latinidiot]

Yeah, he was Morgoth's (or Melkor's, depending on the era) right hand prior to his downfall.

But here's one for you: weren't Gandalf and Sauron technically the same species?

I think not. Sauron was a spirit, and Gandalf is a Wizard. Somehow.



here's a real interesting question: was Melkor/Morgoth truly evil?

 

[Billion Backs]

Yeah, he was Morgoth's (or Melkor's, depending on the era) right hand prior to his downfall.

But here's one for you: weren't Gandalf and Sauron technically the same species?

I don't know if species are the right word here, we ARE talking about generic godly beings.

But, yeah, Gandalf, Sauron and Balrogs are all the same species, I think they were called Maia, which are pretty much a weaker version of Ainur some of which are Valars. And if my memory's correct, Elrond is supposed to be something like 1/4 Maia because he's the descendant of Beren and Luthien's relationship (I think a grandson or great grandson) and Luthien was half-Maia because she was a child of an elven king and a Maia.

 

[Billion Backs]

Yeah, he was Morgoth's (or Melkor's, depending on the era) right hand prior to his downfall.

But here's one for you: weren't Gandalf and Sauron technically the same species?

I think not. Sauron was a spirit, and Gandalf is a Wizard. Somehow.



here's a real interesting question: was Melkor/Morgoth truly evil?

Good and evil are purely subjective concepts. Different moralities have different ideas for what is good and what is bad.

So, uh, it depends. Given that Tolkien was (sadly) a pretty hardcore Christian, that makes Melkor more or less Devil-like figure.

Eh's a pretty cool guy.

 

[wolf92]

As Dragonball Z shows, no matter how powerful, there is always someone stronger.

So true

 

[HT_Black]

here's a real interesting question: was Melkor/Morgoth truly evil?

Given that he was a thinly-vieled stand-in for Lucifer, I'd have to say yes.

 

[Latinidiot]

Yeah, he was Morgoth's (or Melkor's, depending on the era) right hand prior to his downfall.

But here's one for you: weren't Gandalf and Sauron technically the same species?

I think not. Sauron was a spirit, and Gandalf is a Wizard. Somehow.



here's a real interesting question: was Melkor/Morgoth truly evil?

Good and evil are purely subjective concepts. Different moralities have different ideas for what is good and what is bad.

So, uh, it depends. Given that Tolkien was (sadly) a pretty hardcore Christian, that makes Melkor more or less Devil-like figure.

Eh's a pretty cool guy.

He did create snow and clouds after all. It would be pretty dry if he hadn't. I always got a vibe of angels vs Satan, with god/Eru sitting and watching his plan come to fruition.

 

[mattiboi24]

Since reading through Lord of the Rings for the first time (up to the last book now). I've noticed that some wording in the book mentioned that Sauron was merely a emissary or servant for some greater overlord. Was wondering what everyone else's views were on this, as Tolkien could of been working on a sequel for the Middle Earth series but passed away before he could finish or begin it.

Don't listen to anyone except post number 5. He knows what he's talking about. Sauron is a Maia, more like an angel than the Ainur, who were gods who watch over the elves, but not so much over Middle-Earth. Sauron is Morgoth's right-hand man, but is unique in that he wasn't actually created by Sauron; after Beleriand sank in the Silmarillion, Sauron continued Morgoth's work of trying to corrupt the men of the world, the men being the last creation of the gods which he hadn't completely ruined.

 

[Onsheka]

Remember when Gandalf dies and Legolas tells everyone that he was killed by 'A Balrog of Morgoth'? Yeah, Sauron could never truly command the Balrogs.

 

[Onsheka]

That would depend on how you define evil. I read Melkor as not evil because he is only ever acted according to his nature, he represents Eru's power and knowledge, so he is smarter and more powerful than his brothers. It's unfortunate that he decided to take charge and destroy the other Ainur's efforts, but that's how he is. I believe he is consumed by his own greed and angry at the world, he hates the Elves because their arrival was the reason for his disposal and men caused his locking away, not only that but he fears everything. He's a rather sad figure.