is sherlock holmes now redundant?

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Johnny Novgorod

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Here's the thing - Holmes was a walking laboratory in the original stories. He didn't have to send anything for dusting, checking or analyzing: the man could deduce EVERYTHING from ANYTHING because he was an über A+ on chemistry and biology. At this point those skills have become obsolete because anybody can pick up stuff from a crime scene and forward it to a lab for data. Isn't what the dudes from CSI, NCIS and those shows do? Collect shit from the crime scene, have it swiftly analyzed in a test-tube montage and take it from there? All they do is connect the dots in between lab scenes. Whereas Holmes did all the work himself, which was what was so amazing about him. Inevitably, any film or show about him will be obsolete since modern-day forensics have replaced what made him so special.

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lechat said:
so, watching some elementary lately
well here's your problem. I don't consider Elementary to be a very good example of good sherlock holmes fiction, because it's mainly a ripoff of BBC's Sherlock.
Someone else said that computers and cellphones are making him redundant, but in Sherlock, Holmes uses computers and his cellular phone to a great extent, and he's still three steps ahead of everyone else.
In short, no, he's not redundant, with good writers the character is able to adapt to modern times and modern use of computers and he's still a great character.
 
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it seems to me that sherlock's crime solving abilities are more related to the incompetence of those around him and less to do with his superior intellect. every time i see him pick up on an important clue that the rest of the team missed i can't help but think that Abbie would have noticed that... and looked a damn sight more sexy while doing so
Sounds more like a problem with the writing of Elementary than with the inherent concept of Sherlock Holmes
 

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Elementary - Dear Watson said:
I... I... I don't... I dont even... What!?

Seriously... How can this even be a question!? That's like saying is Tom Sawyer irrellevant because who makes kids paint fences nowadays... or Of Mice and Men is irrelevant because noone works as drifters on plantations anymore, and George would be arrested as part of a murder case...

It's a classic story, like any Dickens and any Shakespear, and should never become discounted or discredited due to modern technology!

Also... The new US programme Elementary is a discrace, a monstrosity and an embarrasment! :p
I disagree i love sherlock holmes... read all the books and i must say that i think that elementary is a great modern adaption...better then sherlock at any rate
 

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While this has nothing to do with whether or not it's redundant, and I'm going to feel like such a hipster for saying this, but with the huge success of stuff like Sherlock, I feel as though classic Holmes has sadly been cast aside.

I grew up reading Holmes. I still read the classic novels and short stories every now and then, my high school yearbook quote came from The Sign of Four. I love my Holmes.

And it used to be I couldn't talk about Holmes because nobody around me had ever read the books or short stories, or had even heard of them.

But now I can't talk about them for a completely different reason, and that reason is Sherlock. Now don't get me wrong. I love Sherlock. I think it's an amazingly well done interpretation of the characters, I think the actors are phenomenal, I think it's a great show.

So now it's the same as before, but with false hope attached. I try to have conversations about Holmes, I ask what people's favorite story was, or what their thoughts on the Dancing Men were, but whenever I try to have a conversation about Mycroft's appearance in The Greek Interpreter, all I ever get is "Oh man, I LOOOOOVVE Sherlock. Benedict Cumberbatch is so cute when he wrinkles his nose."

I once tried discussing the novels with someone whose exact words were "I've loved Holmes my whole life" only for them to say "Oh no, I never read any of the stories. I just watch Sherlock."

I'm not trying to sound elitist or anything, but I feel like with Sherlock, it's become kind of annoying to be around all these Sherlockians who couldn't care less about the Conan Doyle works.

And again, I love Sherlock. I will have lengthy conversations about Sherlock...but trying to have a conversation about Holmes...I'm still pretty SOL.

EDIT: In regards to Elementary, I feel like the show must be judged on two things.

If you just judge it as a detective show, it's average, run of the mill, nothing special, but there have been worse mystery shows out there.

But the problem is, they wanted to be a Sherlock Holmes show, and I feel that's what hurts it the most, because you will ALWAYS have the comparison to...well...Sherlock Holmes. Honestly, they could have just called the show Murder Most Foul, the main characters names could have been Reginald Pendant and Michelle Wu, and it would have been the EXACT same show, but without all the people saying it's a bad Sherlock Holmes.

It really is a matter of "a rose by any other name..." here. The show would be the same show if the title and character names were changed, but our own perception of it would probably be different. I'm not saying that people who dislike it would magically like it just because the Sherlock Holmes goggles have been lifted, but it'd be easier for a lot of people to judge it on its own merits rather than having a basis of comparison.
 

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Eleuthera said:
The deductive reasoning he used to display is also pretty much standard for those types of shows nowadays... Though I think Detective Goren (of L&O: CI) was usually depicted most Holmes-like of the modern characters.
Fun fact: the kind of reasoning Sherlock Holmes used in the novels was actually not deductive reasoning. It's called inductive reasoning.

On topic, given that CSI and NCIS suck tremendously, I'd say no, Holmes isn't redundant.
Of course, I haven't read too many Sherlock Holmes novels, or seen any of the TV stuff, so I probably shouldn't be making statements about their overall quality. But fuck it! Internet is for unfounded opinions. If you want founded opinions go to . . .

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Where the hell are opinions based on fact and experience valued in this society?
 

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Wow, that show looks really awful. Explains why you would think Sherlock Holmes is redundant, because it's a pointless, hollow and pitiful attempt at showing the character.
 

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Strain42 said:
But now I can't talk about them for a completely different reason, and that reason is Sherlock. Now don't get me wrong. I love Sherlock. I think it's an amazingly well done interpretation of the characters, I think the actors are phenomenal, I think it's a great show.

So now it's the same as before, but with false hope attached. I try to have conversations about Holmes, I ask what people's favorite story was, or what their thoughts on the Dancing Men were, but whenever I try to have a conversation about Mycroft's appearance in The Greek Interpreter, all I ever get is "Oh man, I LOOOOOVVE Sherlock. Benedict Cumberbatch is so cute when he wrinkles his nose."

I once tried discussing the novels with someone whose exact words were "I've loved Holmes my whole life" only for them to say "Oh no, I never read any of the stories. I just watch Sherlock."
This also bothers the hell out of me, all the more so because the only filmed renditions I actually enjoy are the Granada made ones starring Jeremy Brett.
 

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Eleuthera said:
You're probably right. Holmes real strength was having an incredible amount of knowledge on hand. Now we have computers for that.
That wasn't really his strength, although he was good at that too. His deductive capabilities and memory for details are things that no computer now or in the conceivable future could rival. That is to say, they were qualitatively strong, not merely based on their calculative power as computers are. That was in the Doyle books, i'm not sure about the TV shows and games.
 

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Considering the fact that he does his crime solving without using any fancy hollywood computers and 'enhance that image!' nonsense, I'd have to say no. While a lot of modern crimes shows do have a bit of that whole deductive reasoning thing going on, there's still a lot of taking samples and photographs while all Sherlock usually uses is a toothbrush.
 

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Binnsyboy said:
Elementary - Dear Watson said:
Also... The new US programme Elementary is a discrace, a monstrosity and an embarrasment! :p
True, but Lucy Liu's fit.

OT: I can see where you're coming from, the modern Sherlock show probably doesn't have as much believability as something set in Victorian times when on-hand wit and intelligence was all they had.

Still entertaining, though.
I dunno, I always figures Lucy Liu was more of a Sherlock than a Watson...
 

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Furbyz said:
Sherlock Holmes will be relevant until someone decides to put Robo-Watson in live action. At that point, I feel I can say that the series has played itself out.


For those who were either too young or too old, yes this was a thing.
Oh man, that show was absolutely frakkin sweet! I still, after all these years, preface any form of 'hitting something to make it work' with the phrase "I think it's time we tried a little 19th century technology". I think they were trying to start a monorail or some sort of train, and he just hit it with his stick.