Is Sony done with Video Games?

[J Tyran]

PS3 70 million Vs XBox 360 70 (or 72) million.

Microsoft forced to replace countless systems due to abysmal failure rate.
PSN hacked and Sony gives away free games.
Consumers largely shrug in both instances.
Winner: Sony (Fixing the hack is cheaper than replacing systems)

Microsoft reached the point where you no longer take losses on hardware far sooner than Sony, not sure of the exact date but around 2008 Microsoft made a profit on every single Xbox sold. Microsoft made huge revenues from advertising and Xbox live too. Dont forget the damage that hack did, the lawsuits they faced must have equaled the losses Microsoft made on the RRoD debacle. Not forgetting the PS3 managed a failure rate three times higher than the Wii and about half as much as the Xbox, so between their own failure rate and class action suits up the arse they far from win in that department. After M$ changed the processors the failure rate dropped dramatically (estimated at 4%, same as the Wii), the revisions are also where the console became profitable.

M$ have made billions from the XBox division, they easily beat Sony finacially.

 

[viranimus]

Although I don't expect them to make another handheld, the vita showed that no one really want them anymore unless they can get them on their cellphone.

While that may or may not be true, its not cell phones people want. What they want is a portable device that isnt locked and restricted six ways from sunday that you are in violation of ToS simply by looking at it. You could completely remove the cell phone component and people would be interested so long as it had the freedom in its operating system.

 

[J Tyran]

Not forgetting the PS3 managed a failure rate three times higher than the Wii and about half as much as the Xbox, so between their own failure rate and class action suits up the arse they far from win in that department. After M$ changed the processors the failure rate dropped dramatically (estimated at 4%, same as the Wii)

Sources?

I've not actually seen a dip in the 360's failure rate. When I worked at UPS I was seeing the same amount of bricked 360s shipped in those special boxes as always, even with the new hardware. I also only VERY rarely saw a PS3.

The failure rate of the PS3 has always been at about 10% which is the norm for electronics. The 360 has been shown to have anywhere from a completely unnacceptable 30% to a holy shit this is bad 50% failure rate, depending whose numbers you believe.

The Wii is an oddball with a lower than average failure rate.

Sorry to be an arse but statistics>anecdotes. States estimate the PS3s failure rate to around 10-12%, early "Xenon" and "Zephyr" 360s (the 90nm CPUs) to be around 25%. After the introduction of the 65nm "Jasper" chips where introduced RRoD rates dropped to 1% with a total failure rate of 4%. You can go and find your own sources, I have little inclination to quote several dozen links and schematics of the various revisions the 360 has undergone.

The Wii is and oddball but thats probably because its last gen hardware, Consoles of that era where far more reliable than the 360 or the PS3.

Edit.

Sod it I will put one link in that confirms my posts with a survey of over 16,000 consoles. https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf

 

[J Tyran]

Not forgetting the PS3 managed a failure rate three times higher than the Wii and about half as much as the Xbox, so between their own failure rate and class action suits up the arse they far from win in that department. After M$ changed the processors the failure rate dropped dramatically (estimated at 4%, same as the Wii)

Sources?

I've not actually seen a dip in the 360's failure rate. When I worked at UPS I was seeing the same amount of bricked 360s shipped in those special boxes as always, even with the new hardware. I also only VERY rarely saw a PS3.

The failure rate of the PS3 has always been at about 10% which is the norm for electronics. The 360 has been shown to have anywhere from a completely unnacceptable 30% to a holy shit this is bad 50% failure rate, depending whose numbers you believe.

The Wii is an oddball with a lower than average failure rate.

Sorry to be an arse but statistics>anecdotes. States estimate the PS3s failure rate to around 10-12%, early "Xenon" and "Zephyr" 360s (the 90nm CPUs) to be around 25%. After the introduction of the 65nm "Jasper" chips where introduced RRoD rates dropped to 1% with a total failure rate of 4%. You can go and find your own sources, I have little inclination to quote several dozen links and schematics of the various revisions the 360 has undergone.

So you tell me that Stats beat Annectdotes and then provide stats with no back-up.

In this case, annecdotes > probable made-up Stats

I edited the post, but heres the link again https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf

 

[TehCookie]

Not forgetting the PS3 managed a failure rate three times higher than the Wii and about half as much as the Xbox, so between their own failure rate and class action suits up the arse they far from win in that department. After M$ changed the processors the failure rate dropped dramatically (estimated at 4%, same as the Wii)

Sources?

I've not actually seen a dip in the 360's failure rate. When I worked at UPS I was seeing the same amount of bricked 360s shipped in those special boxes as always, even with the new hardware. I also only VERY rarely saw a PS3.

The failure rate of the PS3 has always been at about 10% which is the norm for electronics. The 360 has been shown to have anywhere from a completely unnacceptable 30% to a holy shit this is bad 50% failure rate, depending whose numbers you believe.

The Wii is an oddball with a lower than average failure rate.

It's the Nintendium.

Sony had a slow start this gen, but they seem to be doing well now. When it was first released it was an overpriced system with no games. Now I think it has a better library (more variety and exclusives) and with the price drop I know a ton of people who picked one up. They won't drop out as long as they learn from their mistakes, but I'm afraid they will start copying the competitions BS.

 

[J Tyran]

Not forgetting the PS3 managed a failure rate three times higher than the Wii and about half as much as the Xbox, so between their own failure rate and class action suits up the arse they far from win in that department. After M$ changed the processors the failure rate dropped dramatically (estimated at 4%, same as the Wii)

Sources?

I've not actually seen a dip in the 360's failure rate. When I worked at UPS I was seeing the same amount of bricked 360s shipped in those special boxes as always, even with the new hardware. I also only VERY rarely saw a PS3.

The failure rate of the PS3 has always been at about 10% which is the norm for electronics. The 360 has been shown to have anywhere from a completely unnacceptable 30% to a holy shit this is bad 50% failure rate, depending whose numbers you believe.

The Wii is an oddball with a lower than average failure rate.

Sorry to be an arse but statistics>anecdotes. States estimate the PS3s failure rate to around 10-12%, early "Xenon" and "Zephyr" 360s (the 90nm CPUs) to be around 25%. After the introduction of the 65nm "Jasper" chips where introduced RRoD rates dropped to 1% with a total failure rate of 4%. You can go and find your own sources, I have little inclination to quote several dozen links and schematics of the various revisions the 360 has undergone.

So you tell me that Stats beat Annectdotes and then provide stats with no back-up.

In this case, annecdotes > probable made-up Stats

I edited the post, but heres the link again https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf

I think your source is from 2009 if I read that accurately.

So one source with a control group of 16,000.

That's not much better than this controversial one:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-360-failure-rate-542-6215590 also from 2009.

What weirdly varying numbers we have here... like my post mentionned.

So in the end, my post was accurate...

Tech warranty and investment advisement firm>Game informer. You didnt read the PDF either did you? it said the RRoD rate could exceed 24% because most are only reported to Microsoft under their warranty and Microsoft did not give accurate statistics, there is a section in that PDF that also proves my earlier point.

RRoD replacements set Microsoft back by $1.15b USD, Sony suffered much greater losses due to the lawsuits. Add in their own 10% failure rate and they have lost a lot more than the RRoD cost M$.

There is also a reason all the stats are old, the RRoD is old news and was fixed back in 2008.

 

[Olas]

All I can say is that I hope not.

Not because I like Sony, or their products, I've avoided them like the plague. But because having more competition in gaming is good for everyone and without the occaisonal PSP coming out to prod them Nintendo would probably slack off in the handheld market.

 

[Casual Shinji]

As far as I am concerned they've been done for a while.

I absolutely loved my PS1 and PS2, and I have HUGE libraries for both. My PS3? I have MGS4, Little Big Planet, God of war and some HD collections of PS2 games... I can't honestly justify keeping my PS3 outside of using it as a blueray player. This thing is pretty much a $400 paper weight. If Sony was serious about staying in the game, they wouldn't abandon so many of the great games that put them on the map each gen. I cannot believe how long we've waited for a Sly Cooper game, and where the hell is Crash? There is about a dozen other franchises dating back to the PS1 also MIA, all of them a million times more fun that that uncharted shit now replacing it. I usually buy all the consoles, but I may actually avoid the PS4 this time around. If things keep the way they are I can't imagine there will be anything worthwhile in their exclusives.

I've never played Sly Cooper, but Crash is done. As a matter of fact all the mascot games are done, except maybe for Mario, and I'm grateful for it. Naughty Dog obviously doesn't want to go back making Crash games, and any other studio the franchise gets shipped off to is likely to do a hack job. Maybe they could try their hand at a downloadable side scrowler, maybe something like the new Rayman games... Otherwise it's best they just put him out to pasture.

The biggest mistake Sony made (in their gaming devision) was pigheadedly trying to stay in the handheld market. With the PSP I can understand they wanted to get a finger in there. But seeing as it pretty much failed, and smartphone gaming took off like a rocket not long after, it wasn't the best plan to launch another handheld. A handheld that offers an experience most people simply don't care for.

Other than that, from what I've heard the real problem is that Sony's business mindset is very ridgid and old fashioned. The way the company is structured can't keep up with current times. At least, that's what I heard, I don't know if it's true.

I don't know if I'll buy a PS4, but then I'm not sure if I'm going to buy any new console. Gaming as a whole is going in a direction I don't quite care for. And this new generation is filling me with dread.

 

[J Tyran]

Let me guess, you own stock in Microsoft, right?

Do not be silly, if anything I have invested more of my entertainment budget into Sony because I own a PS3 and PS Vita. The difference is I am not a raging fanboy of either platform so its easier for to see the truth. Good day sir.

 

[Terramax]

I think if Sony drop out of the handheld market, they should be okay, neither of their handhelds have really been a success (i do have a PSP and i do like it, but i don't have many games for it).

I've been a playstation house since the PS1, the only Playstation console i don't have is the vita, and there is not enough interesting games on it to make me want to buy it.

Personally, I love the Vita. It's the best console I've owned since the Dreamcast. That being said, if I were in charge of Sony, I wouldn't have invested in making the Vita. It's far too costly for both the consumer and Sony themselves to make, and they're not investing enough marketing in it.

Problem is, if they were to just suddenly drop the Vita now, consumer faith in Sony would drop lower than ever. And not just consumers, but developers also. With the Saturn/ Dreamcast fiasco, Sega lost support from companies such as EA and, to a lesser extent, companies like Konami. Sony couldn't afford to make that risk. so they're in a very sticky situation with the Vita.

Regarding the PSP however, I'm not sure it's so easy to wave that console off as a failure. It's STILL selling very well in Japan, and I'm not sure if it's ever been either a financial failure or success in the west. Sure, it's not sold anywhere near as much as the DS, but that's not to say it hasn't made a profit.

On the main topic, I think as long as Sony continue to produce enough great game exclusives, advertise them correctly, then they ought to be fine. The only thing I would add is that, indeed, perhaps Sony should seek to making a cheaper console this generation. Generally speaking, I don't think gamers are as concerned about graphics now as they were 10 years ago. What people are wanting are great gaming experiences.

 

[J Tyran]

, if anything I have invested more of my entertainment budget into Sony because I own a PS3 and PS Vita. The difference is I am not a raging fanboy of either platform so its easier for to see the truth. Good day sir.

What with your level 1 trophy level (0 trophies) and all. ;D
http://us.playstation.com/publictrophy/index.htm?onlinename=JTyran

And no word on the failed lawsuit argument?
See the truth indeed...

It's funny because I was thinking the same thing since I presented a balanced argument first and then you butt in with fanboyish nonsense. But I'll let you go with your tail between your legs this time. Good day.

I do not use PSN, I think you can guess why not....... Not only that I did not get the 3G Vita so its almost always offline (you know its a mobile handheld) and I only own a handful of games for my consoles I like my PC better. How much activity my PSN account shows doesn't really matter either, it certainly proves I do own both Sony and Microsoft platforms. I have consistently criticized both companies as well, all you have done is try to claim how superior Sony is. That simple evidence shows who is the real fanboy. Do not mistake the fact I cannot be bothered arguing with fanboys for some kind of victory either.

No word about your bullshit statistics? (two can play that silly game, I put it down to you not wanting to argue. not "victory") Now really I am done, you can reply again if you want. You probably will as you will feel the need to have the last word but I will not even read it, but go ahead knock yourself out.

 

[lunavixen]

Personally, I love the Vita. It's the best console I've owned since the Dreamcast. That being said, if I were in charge of Sony, I wouldn't have invested in making the Vita. It's far too costly for both the consumer and Sony themselves to make, and they're not investing enough marketing in it.

Problem is, if they were to just suddenly drop the Vita now, consumer faith in Sony would drop lower than ever. And not just consumers, but developers also. With the Saturn/ Dreamcast fiasco, Sega lost support from companies such as EA and, to a lesser extent, companies like Konami. Sony couldn't afford to make that risk. so they're in a very sticky situation with the Vita.

Regarding the PSP however, I'm not sure it's so easy to wave that console off as a failure. It's STILL selling very well in Japan, and I'm not sure if it's ever been either a financial failure or success in the west. Sure, it's not sold anywhere near as much as the DS, but that's not to say it hasn't made a profit.

I never meant that they should drop out of the handheld market right now, i mean, let the vita run its course (seeing as it's already out), but make no more new ones in the next generation. Regarding the PSP, compared to the DS, the PSP has not sold all that well, because Nintendo have supported their handheld market really well, whereas Sony has pushed the PS3 more. The vita and the PSP both had poor launch titles and were/are relying on future promise, i think that both the PSP and the vita could have sold better if they had a better launch line up, the vitas sales may yet pick up though.