Is South Park getting weird...er?

[FriedRicer]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

 

[Redryhno]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

Eh, it's more people are refuting the one thing Mars continues to zero in on while ignoring pretty much every other instance of SP being gigantic assholes(sometimes literally) to targets. Not to mention, for someone that's "watched everything", you'd think they may have more instances than something from like fifteen years ago. I haven't watched it since middle school and even I understand some of the issues and people they were making fun of now.

 

[FriedRicer]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

Eh, it's more people are refuting the one thing Mars continues to zero in on while ignoring pretty much every other instance of SP being gigantic assholes(sometimes literally) to targets. Not to mention, for someone that's "watched everything", you'd think they may have more instances than something from like fifteen years ago. I haven't watched it since middle school and even I understand some of the issues and people they were making fun of now.

True. While the Global Warming thing might be debate-able , saying that SP targets "everyone" is a bit naive. I love the slant they bring to Comedy Central - it is refreshing, but even way back in middle school I could tell they had a bias.

 

[Josh123914]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

Eh, it's more people are refuting the one thing Mars continues to zero in on while ignoring pretty much every other instance of SP being gigantic assholes(sometimes literally) to targets. Not to mention, for someone that's "watched everything", you'd think they may have more instances than something from like fifteen years ago. I haven't watched it since middle school and even I understand some of the issues and people they were making fun of now.

True. While the Global Warming thing might be debate-able , saying that SP targets "everyone" is a bit naive. I love the slant they bring to Comedy Central - it is refreshing, but even way back in middle school I could tell they had a bias.

They have the bias of traditional Libertarains (hates big government, freedom for all, etc) but even still, they say they make the effort to attack people on both sides of the aisle.
The issue I took is that from one of earlier posts is the implication that Stone and Parker's political views were proof of them having some sort of agenda they wanted to push.

To be honest, there aren't enough hours in the day to cover everything, but I think South Park does a good job covering as much as it can while being a funny show.

Like it was only last week they had ISIS appear on the show outside of a cameo. I really liked it, even though my friends were waiting all of last season for them to get an episode. On reflection, having the boys go into ISIS territory (as many wanted) would've probably just been a retread of the formula the Somalian Pirates episode had. So the show needs to strike a balance of not falling into a rutt, while making fun of many similar issues.

 

[renegade7]

I feel like it's just trying too hard to be relevant.

For instance, there was the "PC Principal" one, which just gave me the sense that they came up with the plot by Google searching "controversial" and going with whatever came up. The Yelp one was pretty funny, but the premise still felt really forced.

In general, they've really just gone from being a witty critique of popular culture and modern society to just waving their arms around shouting "look at us! Look how wittily critical we're being of popular culture and modern society! We're so controversial and witty and critical! Look here, we made a joke about an internet thing we found that's supposed to be a sly joke about millenials! LOOK AT US! WE'RE STILL RELEVANT!"

 

[FriedRicer]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

Eh, it's more people are refuting the one thing Mars continues to zero in on while ignoring pretty much every other instance of SP being gigantic assholes(sometimes literally) to targets. Not to mention, for someone that's "watched everything", you'd think they may have more instances than something from like fifteen years ago. I haven't watched it since middle school and even I understand some of the issues and people they were making fun of now.

True. While the Global Warming thing might be debate-able , saying that SP targets "everyone" is a bit naive. I love the slant they bring to Comedy Central - it is refreshing, but even way back in middle school I could tell they had a bias.

They have the bias of traditional Libertarains (hates big government, freedom for all, etc) but even still, they say they make the effort to attack people on both sides of the aisle.
The issue I took is that from one of earlier posts is the implication that Stone and Parker's political views were proof of them having some sort of agenda they wanted to push.

To be honest, there aren't enough hours in the day to cover everything, but I think South Park does a good job covering as much as it can while being a funny show.

Like it was only last week they had ISIS appear on the show outside of a cameo. I really liked it, even though my friends were waiting all of last season for them to get an episode. On reflection, having the boys go into ISIS territory (as many wanted) would've probably just been a retread of the formula the Somalian Pirates episode had. So the show needs to strike a balance of not falling into a rutt, while making fun of many similar issues.

Although that implication wasn't made by those previous posts, I would say that SP DO have an agenda.Not always a bad thing tho.

 

[Josh123914]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

Eh, it's more people are refuting the one thing Mars continues to zero in on while ignoring pretty much every other instance of SP being gigantic assholes(sometimes literally) to targets. Not to mention, for someone that's "watched everything", you'd think they may have more instances than something from like fifteen years ago. I haven't watched it since middle school and even I understand some of the issues and people they were making fun of now.

True. While the Global Warming thing might be debate-able , saying that SP targets "everyone" is a bit naive. I love the slant they bring to Comedy Central - it is refreshing, but even way back in middle school I could tell they had a bias.

They have the bias of traditional Libertarains (hates big government, freedom for all, etc) but even still, they say they make the effort to attack people on both sides of the aisle.
The issue I took is that from one of earlier posts is the implication that Stone and Parker's political views were proof of them having some sort of agenda they wanted to push.

To be honest, there aren't enough hours in the day to cover everything, but I think South Park does a good job covering as much as it can while being a funny show.

Like it was only last week they had ISIS appear on the show outside of a cameo. I really liked it, even though my friends were waiting all of last season for them to get an episode. On reflection, having the boys go into ISIS territory (as many wanted) would've probably just been a retread of the formula the Somalian Pirates episode had. So the show needs to strike a balance of not falling into a rutt, while making fun of many similar issues.

Although that implication wasn't made by those previous posts, I would say that SP DO have an agenda.Not always a bad thing tho.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the agenda is?

 

[Jeopardy Surface]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

Eh, it's more people are refuting the one thing Mars continues to zero in on while ignoring pretty much every other instance of SP being gigantic assholes(sometimes literally) to targets. Not to mention, for someone that's "watched everything", you'd think they may have more instances than something from like fifteen years ago. I haven't watched it since middle school and even I understand some of the issues and people they were making fun of now.

True. While the Global Warming thing might be debate-able , saying that SP targets "everyone" is a bit naive. I love the slant they bring to Comedy Central - it is refreshing, but even way back in middle school I could tell they had a bias.

They have the bias of traditional Libertarains (hates big government, freedom for all, etc) but even still, they say they make the effort to attack people on both sides of the aisle.
The issue I took is that from one of earlier posts is the implication that Stone and Parker's political views were proof of them having some sort of agenda they wanted to push.

To be honest, there aren't enough hours in the day to cover everything, but I think South Park does a good job covering as much as it can while being a funny show.

Like it was only last week they had ISIS appear on the show outside of a cameo. I really liked it, even though my friends were waiting all of last season for them to get an episode. On reflection, having the boys go into ISIS territory (as many wanted) would've probably just been a retread of the formula the Somalian Pirates episode had. So the show needs to strike a balance of not falling into a rutt, while making fun of many similar issues.

Although that implication wasn't made by those previous posts, I would say that SP DO have an agenda.Not always a bad thing tho.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the agenda is?

Screw with people they see as dogmatic and uptight, that's my call. I don't think they're as even-handed as they like to claim, but I don't think that adds up to an agenda either, not really. They're just normal people, and they have preferred targets. I don't think that indicates some secret depths of hate and bigotry, but they should stop pretending they're some how magically universal in their satire too.

 

[FriedRicer]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

Eh, it's more people are refuting the one thing Mars continues to zero in on while ignoring pretty much every other instance of SP being gigantic assholes(sometimes literally) to targets. Not to mention, for someone that's "watched everything", you'd think they may have more instances than something from like fifteen years ago. I haven't watched it since middle school and even I understand some of the issues and people they were making fun of now.

True. While the Global Warming thing might be debate-able , saying that SP targets "everyone" is a bit naive. I love the slant they bring to Comedy Central - it is refreshing, but even way back in middle school I could tell they had a bias.

They have the bias of traditional Libertarains (hates big government, freedom for all, etc) but even still, they say they make the effort to attack people on both sides of the aisle.
The issue I took is that from one of earlier posts is the implication that Stone and Parker's political views were proof of them having some sort of agenda they wanted to push.

To be honest, there aren't enough hours in the day to cover everything, but I think South Park does a good job covering as much as it can while being a funny show.

Like it was only last week they had ISIS appear on the show outside of a cameo. I really liked it, even though my friends were waiting all of last season for them to get an episode. On reflection, having the boys go into ISIS territory (as many wanted) would've probably just been a retread of the formula the Somalian Pirates episode had. So the show needs to strike a balance of not falling into a rutt, while making fun of many similar issues.

Although that implication wasn't made by those previous posts, I would say that SP DO have an agenda.Not always a bad thing tho.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the agenda is?

Maybe agenda is the wrong word but the show seems to embody alot of GG attitudes toward some topics. Mind, I think this season is the best in a while. PC principal should be a staple imo. I've just never felt that they were a fan of liberalism.

 

[Josh123914]

I really can't see the wrong in MarsAtlas' comments - SP does seem cowardly in their defense of their content. Matt and Troy are obviously biased and it shows in their "targets".

I don't see why one can't disagree with the views of the creators but still find humor. I thought the season premiere was funny - the PC stuff seemed heavy handed at parts tho'.

Most people responding to Mars seem to think Mars':

Is offended at SP.
Wants SP to choose particular targets
Change the content of the show
Or is some sort of SJW(what ever that implies or means is lost on me).

All I got was:
1.SP say they target everyone.
2.They don't.
3.They only say that so we don't call them bias.
4.They do this to avoid backlash.
5.This is artistic cowardice.(C/D?)

I have NO clue what Mars' political leanings have to do with the above 5 points. Is it non-sequitur day?

Eh, it's more people are refuting the one thing Mars continues to zero in on while ignoring pretty much every other instance of SP being gigantic assholes(sometimes literally) to targets. Not to mention, for someone that's "watched everything", you'd think they may have more instances than something from like fifteen years ago. I haven't watched it since middle school and even I understand some of the issues and people they were making fun of now.

True. While the Global Warming thing might be debate-able , saying that SP targets "everyone" is a bit naive. I love the slant they bring to Comedy Central - it is refreshing, but even way back in middle school I could tell they had a bias.

They have the bias of traditional Libertarains (hates big government, freedom for all, etc) but even still, they say they make the effort to attack people on both sides of the aisle.
The issue I took is that from one of earlier posts is the implication that Stone and Parker's political views were proof of them having some sort of agenda they wanted to push.

To be honest, there aren't enough hours in the day to cover everything, but I think South Park does a good job covering as much as it can while being a funny show.

Like it was only last week they had ISIS appear on the show outside of a cameo. I really liked it, even though my friends were waiting all of last season for them to get an episode. On reflection, having the boys go into ISIS territory (as many wanted) would've probably just been a retread of the formula the Somalian Pirates episode had. So the show needs to strike a balance of not falling into a rutt, while making fun of many similar issues.

Although that implication wasn't made by those previous posts, I would say that SP DO have an agenda.Not always a bad thing tho.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the agenda is?

Maybe agenda is the wrong word but the show seems to embody alot of GG attitudes toward some topics. Mind, I think this season is the best in a while. PC principal should be a staple imo. I've just never felt that they were a fan of liberalism.

They have said they're Libertarians, so that certainly means they dislike authoritarians.

I think this whole season is basically them making fun of people that try to tell them (or others) what to think or do.

 

[Schadrach]

I believe you mean the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka, racist!! J/K

WEEOOW! WEEOOW! WEEOOW!

Did you read what you just wrote? Don't yuo know the right term is the "Latin American Staring Frog Who Is An Undocumented Immigrant From Southern Sri Lanka", racist? Freaking bigots in this forum...

Do you even PC, bro?

Honestly what bugged me was the shifting focus towards Randy, and the newer graphic style that made all the gore look...semi-photo real I guess you could call it, and giving them fingers. And the loss of Officer Barbrady and Mr. Slave, those two were utter cards. South Park's politics either go over my head or I find myself not caring since they're funny.

Prediction: Randy's an ad. "Ha-ha, the ads got me" indeed. =p

More seriously, they seem to be using a mix of Blade Runner and They Live running backwards (all the PC Bros wear identical Oakleys).

Maybe agenda is the wrong word but the show seems to embody alot of GG attitudes toward some topics. Mind, I think this season is the best in a while. PC principal should be a staple imo. I've just never felt that they were a fan of liberalism.

Liberalism or progressiveness? I'd argue that they tend to have a liberal and libertine slant, but not a progressive one. I'd like to mirror a previous poster and say I think they like to target the uptight, the self righteous, authoritarians, and the dogmatic.

 

[Breakdown]

I think this season of South Park is better than it has been for years.

On the topic of Matt Stone and Trey Parker's motives, this thread seems a little light on any actual evidence like quotes or links to interviews or that sort of thing. I just looked at Wikipedia and found this quote -

Stone and Parker have explained that their drive to lampoon a given target comes first from the target's insistence on telling other people how to behave. The duo explains that they perceive liberals as having both delusions of entitlement to remain free from satire, and a propensity to enforce political correctness while patronizing the citizens of Middle America.

So it appears from my minute or so reading the South Park Wikipedia entry that they're not equal opportunity offenders in the sense of setting out with the attention to offend everybody. They clearly have their own personal bias, but when have they ever been dishonest or cowardly about it?

 

[PsychicTaco115]

So yeah, that new episode took things in a different direction

 

[Zontar]

So yeah, that new episode took things in a different direction

I know, isn't it great? It was a pretty good opening for this season's trilogy finale.