I just posted another reply and saw this. Secondary sexual characteristics of men include facial and pubic hair.Requia said:
Is Street Fighter Sexist/Racist?
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You seem to have serious issues with understanding the topic.C.S.Strowbridge said:
To your other post, secondary sexual characteristics are anything that correlates with sex and doesn't directly involve reproduction. Specifically this can be looked at as the effects of testosterones and oestrogens. For example large breasts are a product of oestrogens, facial hair is a product of testosterone. Large muscles, the ability to support low bodyfat%, and the ability to support a more dehydrated state, are all products of testosterone, that's why athletes keep injecting pseudo-testosterones.
I'm not terribly interested in getting into a point-to-point with you. I'd rather smash my nose against the wall. But...C.S.Strowbridge said:
"Big muscles help fighting" is not strictly true. If you look at a lot of the better boxers and mma fighters, they're relatively lean. Large muscles require a lot of oxygen, so unless you're planning on knocking out your opponent immediately you probably don't want to be stacked like your average video-game fighting man. A lot of muscle, like a lot of boobage, can also be restrictive to movement. Bruce Lee got criticism back in the day for packing on the muscle. The objection being that it would hinder his flexibility, or... something.
Do people really think that the Japanese are incapable of being racist? Honestly I would say that they are ignorant of other cultures, so when they do end up making characters of other nationalities they pick out stereotypes, sometimes offensive, partially because they don't have a history of diversity in their country to understand why this could be a bad thing. Racism is not the same as hate. We're all a little racist now and then, I prefer to try see my mistakes and try not to make them again rather than denying that I said something offensive.
Also, keep in mind that just because something offend you or strike you as racist doesn't mean it won't offend other people or that other people won't find it racist. You might note that the white/American stereotypes don't bother you, but white people make up a huge portion of the media and are portrayed in many different roles and personalities, esp white men. Black men and women on the other hand don't get a ton of representation in the media and in tons of other fields, plus they have a history of being second class citizens (also, slavery).
Seeing as how much of media is orchestrated and written by white men, we aren't really getting a view of how black men/women, and women in general and minorities live their life or view themselves, but of another group's impression of them. These impressions sometimes are based not on experience, but of representations of these groups that have been presented by the media. Some people even refrain from writing minorities/other genders if they don't have experience with them, for better or for worse, intentionally or not. Food for thought: stereotypes can be, are often, and have been built on racism and/or sexism.
For a pretty lighthearted intro people are really getting defensive... The gist of what I've heard is that every thing is fine the way it is even though its not "perfect" (basically negating any complaints leveraged at the industry as nitpicking) it's fine the way it is and if you complain about that that makes you racist/sexist. Not that every comment is like this, but its just a general trend I've noticed. Sociologists often note these arguments and others used in this thread are often used by a majority to silence a minority.
I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't enjoy games that have a problematic portrayal of other races and genders or be ashamed that you enjoyed the games. Hell, the OP enjoyed the game. But it would be nice if people could see how limited/biased portrayal of non-white/Japanese and non-male people (ie, most women healers/wearing skimpy clothes, most black men muscle-headed brutes) could be a problem for other people (newsflash: not all black people/women/minorities have the exact same opinion on portrayal of their groups in the media) but they'd need to first admit that there is a problem.
Also, keep in mind that just because something offend you or strike you as racist doesn't mean it won't offend other people or that other people won't find it racist. You might note that the white/American stereotypes don't bother you, but white people make up a huge portion of the media and are portrayed in many different roles and personalities, esp white men. Black men and women on the other hand don't get a ton of representation in the media and in tons of other fields, plus they have a history of being second class citizens (also, slavery).
Seeing as how much of media is orchestrated and written by white men, we aren't really getting a view of how black men/women, and women in general and minorities live their life or view themselves, but of another group's impression of them. These impressions sometimes are based not on experience, but of representations of these groups that have been presented by the media. Some people even refrain from writing minorities/other genders if they don't have experience with them, for better or for worse, intentionally or not. Food for thought: stereotypes can be, are often, and have been built on racism and/or sexism.
For a pretty lighthearted intro people are really getting defensive... The gist of what I've heard is that every thing is fine the way it is even though its not "perfect" (basically negating any complaints leveraged at the industry as nitpicking) it's fine the way it is and if you complain about that that makes you racist/sexist. Not that every comment is like this, but its just a general trend I've noticed. Sociologists often note these arguments and others used in this thread are often used by a majority to silence a minority.
I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't enjoy games that have a problematic portrayal of other races and genders or be ashamed that you enjoyed the games. Hell, the OP enjoyed the game. But it would be nice if people could see how limited/biased portrayal of non-white/Japanese and non-male people (ie, most women healers/wearing skimpy clothes, most black men muscle-headed brutes) could be a problem for other people (newsflash: not all black people/women/minorities have the exact same opinion on portrayal of their groups in the media) but they'd need to first admit that there is a problem.
fair enough, but I still think that these stories have a bit more attention paid to them even though they are still stereotypes and basic.jklinders said:
I still think there is a way for a story to be in a fighting game
Cammy's outfit is because her moves are based on gymnastics, so she wears a gymnist's leotard. Compare this to, say, Ivy Valentine from the Soul Calibur games, who continues to wear less and less to cover her ever-increasing bust.
Did you ever hear of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? It's got a lot more in common with Resident Evil 4 and 5 than any other real-life parallel. One need only replace 'Las Plagas' with 'syphilis'... but it hasn't been on the news. So of course Chris, who has more in common with a United Nations soldier fighting an insurgency than with a cop mowing down uppity civilians gets egged in the face over, and over, and over for... how long has it been? Five years? Ugh.
Did you ever hear of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? It's got a lot more in common with Resident Evil 4 and 5 than any other real-life parallel. One need only replace 'Las Plagas' with 'syphilis'... but it hasn't been on the news. So of course Chris, who has more in common with a United Nations soldier fighting an insurgency than with a cop mowing down uppity civilians gets egged in the face over, and over, and over for... how long has it been? Five years? Ugh.