Is the 20-30 year old gamer being exploited?

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David Solomon

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As I watch remakes galore being brought from my cherished console period (NES, SNES) to my iPhone, Xbox360, Wii, DS, 3DS, etc... I can't help but feel like I'm being exploited. I keep seeing video game magazines continue to hand out steller marks to games that WERE steller, but not after it's 15th release. I can't think of any other medium that churns out THIS many remakes of games or re-imaginings where it's the same story and characters, with different haircuts or something stupid. I wouldn't buy a book I read that has a different cover, and same with a CD. Is there something I'm missing? I just read an IGN review of Chrono Trigger and they gave it a 10 on the Wii. I know it was a great game, but a 10 implies something new was added. It allows game makers to coast on their successes over and over and destroys creativity, because why make a NEW game when I can release Final Fantasy 1,2,3, and 4 over and over again and RAKE in the cash. I'd like some viewpoints please!


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Snork Maiden

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Well... you're only being exploited if you feel some kind of uncontrollable urge to splash cash on all kinds of crazy things, and are constantly disappointed.

David Solomon said:
I can't think of any other medium that churns out THIS many remakes of games or re-imaginings where it's the same story and characters
Really? What about all the superhero film reboots? While we're on films you can go down the road of all the collectible editions of everything that come out every few years, followed by box set after box set. Music is just as bad: original albums, greatest hits, compilations - there'll probably be a Michael Jackson Greatest Hits every few years for the rest of time, for instance. I struggle to believe anyone has managed to amass a half decent music collection without having to fork out for some duplicates.

David Solomon said:
just read an IGN review of Chrono Trigger and they gave it a 10 on the Wii. I know it was a great game, but a 10 implies something new was added. It allows game makers to coast on their successes over and over and destroys creativity,
Did you purposely pick the worst example possible? Chrono Trigger came out, what, 15+ years ago? While you can debate about whether or not it *still* holds up to a ten, I think the vast majority of people haven't played Chrono Trigger and they're the ones who'd benefit from any review. If you played Chrono Trigger back in the day are you really going to let the decision to buy the remake be based on whether or not something new was pitched in? I don't really think the argument that it destroys creativity holds up either, because it seems to me the vast majority of games released right now are completely new, rather than remakes of older games.

Really, I think the people on the CoD 24 rage train have a better point pertaining to the "damage" it's doing to gaming then complaining about remakes coming out.
 

viranimus

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Well perhaps your examples were not the best choices, however there is a thread of validity in this. The problem is, this is the way the industry wants it. This is also what happens when you trample on ownership rights and move things to digital distribution.

If you own a game in physical form, it doesn't matter how many times they re release the game, your likely not going to be compelled to buy it unless there is clear indications of there being more content that justifies repurchasing the same thing. Publishers know this, and as such they are doing all they can to migrate games from a model of being a product to a service model.

And who is to blame for this? The consumers. Because its the consumers who have created the precedent that this is acceptable behavior and reward such behavior monetarily. Until that stops I suggest investing in chapstick or whatever is needed to soothe chaffing from being excessively milked.
 

Gethsemani_v1legacy

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My first idea was to post a "Oh noes, companies want to make money in a free market economy and wants to do it by offering us things we might like!". On second thought, that is pretty much what I still want to say. Snork Maiden above me already made the important points. Unless you are under duress to buy these remakes (hopefully not), the age old wisdom of "don't like=don't buy" still stands.
 

Kahunaburger

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What about the people with new consoles who want to play old games on those consoles? Also, don't think of them as equivalent to remakes - think of them as equivalent of a new printing of a new edition of a book, or the publishing of a book as an ebook.
 

Veylon

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What? This has happened in every media. Once upon a time, there was a glut of books about knights. Everyone was into knights and how awesome they were and authors kept feeding this with increasingly impossible tales of these people. Then some guy wrote a parody called Don Quixote. Or have a look at the Romance genre, especially the Paranormal section. Movies have fads that come and go; how many superhero movies are coming out just this year?

On the ratings side of things, yeah, there is a problem with sacred cows, just as in any other medium. Who's going to ding Wizard of Oz for it's dodgy special effects? Did you know that Disney is still selling DVDs of movies going back upwards of seventy years? Lousy coasters.

But exploitation? Nobody's forcing you to buy games. If you don't like what's on offer, don't buy it. A boycott is the strongest statement you can make against something. If you don't like the rating scheme of X magazine, nobody can force you to buy into that either.
 

Fieldy409_v1legacy

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exploitation is a bit of a strong word here. If you dont want these games dont buy them. I feel more sorry for the guy who never got the old games, and hears all these people raving about it in forums and such, then they buy it and cant play it for more than 10 minutes. That has happened to me a lot on GOG(but not all the time, heros of might and magic and raptor for the win!)
 

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David Solomon said:
I keep seeing video game magazines continue to hand out steller marks to games that WERE steller, but not after it's 15th release.

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I just read an IGN review of Chrono Trigger and they gave it a 10 on the Wii. I know it was a great game, but a 10 implies something new was added.
This is an incorrect viewpoint. The games are being rated alone. Remember, just because YOU've played it before, doesn't mean everyone else has. Knocking three points off the score because it's "The same as the last one" would mean fewer new people experiencing the game. Zelda OOT 3DS, for example, got such high reviews despite very little being added because OOT itself is worth those scores. A game that's a perfect 10 the first time doesn't lose it's value when it's ported.
 

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I find that it allows me to play games I might have missed out on the first time around (Things like the original final fantasy). Kahunaburger put it best: if you bought a book that you really enjoyed when it came out and they published a new edition with different cover artwork then you wouldn't buy the new edition of the book would you? You aren't being forced to buy the remake, but it is opening it up to a market that couldn't play the game the first time round. Just think of it as allowing more and more people to enjoy the games you know and love.
 

Yamato-san

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one thing that bugs me is how, in spite of several releases, there can never be one "definitive" version of a certain game. Of course, people will have their own tastes, and you can't necessarily say that enhanced graphics are better than the graphics that were there before (especially given the more recent popularity of retro pixelized renderings), but it's not like an enhanced port can't include the original release as an extra, which seems to be done rarely. Then there're all these cases where a multi-platform release includes an exclusive character or something that's dependent on the platform, remakes/ports that use different soundtracks, etc., and it's all the more jarring when the releases are so close to one another. One company that's really been pissing me off lately is NIS and their tendency to re-release titles that're barely five years old onto the PSP. To be fair, these ports do add an additional story mode, and the western releases still retain the dual voice-track feature in spite of the smaller medium, but we really could've done with just ONE of these releases per game. In Disgaea's case, they made a watered-down DS port shortly after the PSP one, yet try to make it tempting by having Pleinair be exclusive to it, and for Phantom Brave's PSP port, they try to throw in a couple extra characters, which seems like a kick in the balls to people who just bought the Wii port not long before then. Seriously, fuck you NIS. Thankfully, this problem with tiny add-ons should be averted with downloadable content, but somehow, I still anticipate them making some "enhanced" PSVita port of Disgaea 3 within the next year or so.

Snork Maiden said:
Did you purposely pick the worst example possible? Chrono Trigger came out, what, 15+ years ago? While you can debate about whether or not it *still* holds up to a ten, I think the vast majority of people haven't played Chrono Trigger and they're the ones who'd benefit from any review. If you played Chrono Trigger back in the day are you really going to let the decision to buy the remake be based on whether or not something new was pitched in? I don't really think the argument that it destroys creativity holds up either, because it seems to me the vast majority of games released right now are completely new, rather than remakes of older games.
well, it may be a 15-year old game, but do keep in mind that it's been released at least 4 times. After the original SNES release, there was the Playstation port, and more recently, we got the DS release with the Virtual Console release just a little while afterwards. Although the VC version is great for people who want to (legitimately) own the game at a discount, it's being rated so highly even though it adds nothing new (in fact, coming off of the DS version, there's now less content), so he does make a bit of a point. Don't get me wrong, the game itself is certainly worthy of a high score, but it should be emphasized that it's nothing more than what's already been there before, and only people who haven't had a chance to experience the original (and either don't have a DS, can't find the DS version at retailers, or really wanna save money... and in some cases, people who no longer have their SNESes) are truly going to benefit.

Veylon said:
On the ratings side of things, yeah, there is a problem with sacred cows, just as in any other medium. Who's going to ding Wizard of Oz for it's dodgy special effects? Did you know that Disney is still selling DVDs of movies going back upwards of seventy years? Lousy coasters.
but it's not like DVD releases can't be criticized, regardless of the movie on said DVDs. I've seen several reviews that knock on companies for having bad quality, unskippable previews, menus that a 5-year old may have cooked up, lack of certain extras (like original trailers), etc. So yeah, a new release of an old movie is very much in the same boat as a re-port of a game.
 

Veylon

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Yamato-san said:
Veylon said:
On the ratings side of things, yeah, there is a problem with sacred cows, just as in any other medium. Who's going to ding Wizard of Oz for it's dodgy special effects? Did you know that Disney is still selling DVDs of movies going back upwards of seventy years? Lousy coasters.
but it's not like DVD releases can't be criticized, regardless of the movie on said DVDs. I've seen several reviews that knock on companies for having bad quality, unskippable previews, menus that a 5-year old may have cooked up, lack of certain extras (like original trailers), etc. So yeah, a new release of an old movie is very much in the same boat as a re-port of a game.
None of these are the movie itself. I recall that when Chrono Trigger was rereleased for the Playstation, critics pointed out the obscene menu loading times. But, again, the movie/game proper tends to get a free pass. I think it has more to do with reviewer fear of fans than any sort of conspiracy. There'd be a backlash if a reviewer commented on Super Metroid's short length, old graphics, minimal plot, and inferior sound quality.