Is the 9/11 Pokemon offensive?
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When I saw the title, I was 99.7% sure I would see that cracked article.rancher of monsters said:
OT: As an American, I'm not really bothered. In fact, I dont think anyone would really have put that all together (or even noticed its height is 9'11"). Yes, its tragic event in history, but it is history, and We cant just keep using it as our modern day alamo war cry.
I honestly think people are reading too much into it.
Wow, so its come to a point where the numbers 9 and 11 instantly spark offence to SOME (not all) Americans to be honest you should just get over it really, it was 10 years ago.
Although America as a country (not all the individuals) does seem to take everything personally.
Pokemon just needed variety in what would otherwise have been a pretty generic map, grass area, mountain area, city area etc. Desert area is a good addition and near the city seems as good a place as any to put it.
Also the whole fact that the map is divided into 3 parts which supposedly makes it like New York because the map has 3 main bridges as New York does is complete crap since I assume the areas increase in difficulty as you progress - the first easy, the second medium difficulty, the third relatively hard and seriously why do brides now make this New York, how else does an entire region quickly cross a reasonably small body of water without an entire fleet of boats?
Although America as a country (not all the individuals) does seem to take everything personally.
Pokemon just needed variety in what would otherwise have been a pretty generic map, grass area, mountain area, city area etc. Desert area is a good addition and near the city seems as good a place as any to put it.
Also the whole fact that the map is divided into 3 parts which supposedly makes it like New York because the map has 3 main bridges as New York does is complete crap since I assume the areas increase in difficulty as you progress - the first easy, the second medium difficulty, the third relatively hard and seriously why do brides now make this New York, how else does an entire region quickly cross a reasonably small body of water without an entire fleet of boats?
I don`t get it, honestly....
First, like many of us that started up the game im sure, didnt even consider the city in question to be a reference to New York. Castelia City (the culprit in question), is the biggest metropolis ever placed into a Pokemon game, with tall skyscrapers, rush our traffic, and prominent seaside views from its hourbors.
The accused "ground zero" area is OUTSIDE the city, and its a dessert. Route 4 and the Dessert Resort are the first steps to the north of the city, and are therefore not a part of the city. So how excatly are they a reference to the 9/11 attacks? My conclusion, they dont.
These were made to appear like a 9/11 refernce by people (mostly Americans) who are stuck in the past. They still cant move on. And people will look for anything that offends them, just so they can feel like they accomplish somthing.
And as for the supposed "9/11 Pokemon", it's name is Kyurem. Its origins about its decent to our world like a meteor are referencing the fact that most comets are made of stone and ice crystals. Not much else is said abouts its place of landing, but one thing is interesting...
According the ingame Pokedex, Bulbapedia, and the Official Collectors Edition: Pokemon Black & White Strategy Guide and Unova Region Pokedex (which i am currently holding), describes the Pokemons official height as.......wait......9 feet 10 inches.....
Yup.
I dont know where the 9`11 height came from, but its not true people. Get over it. This isnt a terrorist attack, these are not 9/11 references, Sadam Hussein is dead, the towers are gone, it happened 10 years ago, nothing more can be done about it.
Lets all just grow up, stop acting like immature self-absorbed children, and stop blaming a fucking cartoon for causing 9/11.
First, like many of us that started up the game im sure, didnt even consider the city in question to be a reference to New York. Castelia City (the culprit in question), is the biggest metropolis ever placed into a Pokemon game, with tall skyscrapers, rush our traffic, and prominent seaside views from its hourbors.
The accused "ground zero" area is OUTSIDE the city, and its a dessert. Route 4 and the Dessert Resort are the first steps to the north of the city, and are therefore not a part of the city. So how excatly are they a reference to the 9/11 attacks? My conclusion, they dont.
These were made to appear like a 9/11 refernce by people (mostly Americans) who are stuck in the past. They still cant move on. And people will look for anything that offends them, just so they can feel like they accomplish somthing.
And as for the supposed "9/11 Pokemon", it's name is Kyurem. Its origins about its decent to our world like a meteor are referencing the fact that most comets are made of stone and ice crystals. Not much else is said abouts its place of landing, but one thing is interesting...
According the ingame Pokedex, Bulbapedia, and the Official Collectors Edition: Pokemon Black & White Strategy Guide and Unova Region Pokedex (which i am currently holding), describes the Pokemons official height as.......wait......9 feet 10 inches.....
Yup.
I dont know where the 9`11 height came from, but its not true people. Get over it. This isnt a terrorist attack, these are not 9/11 references, Sadam Hussein is dead, the towers are gone, it happened 10 years ago, nothing more can be done about it.
Lets all just grow up, stop acting like immature self-absorbed children, and stop blaming a fucking cartoon for causing 9/11.
Stop taking these things too personally, how is it even offensive in the first place? It's merely a reference at the most. GameFreak aren't laughing at anyone by putting it in their game, they're merely saying 'oh, yeah, we thought it might be a little insensitive to copy the actual story into our game so we came up with another story and added a little bit of a reference to get the idea across.'
How come no one, and I mean no one, can even mention it without offending these sort of people?
NOTE: I know most US citizens are willing to accept, mourn and allow people to make their references, but I get the feeling that there will be many who actually take offence in this.
How come no one, and I mean no one, can even mention it without offending these sort of people?
NOTE: I know most US citizens are willing to accept, mourn and allow people to make their references, but I get the feeling that there will be many who actually take offence in this.
Not offensive at all if true. The only thing that pisses me off regarding 9/11 is that it was the day our happy county turned to shit, because everyone running it are either paranoid fucks, or are using the paranoia from their voters to seize power.
My closest friend lost her father on 9/11. I was there with her through some of the worst days of her life as she had to re-adjust at fourteen years old to life without one of her parents.
You know what though? Ten years later, she's fine. Twenty four, getting married next year, and she asked if my father would walk her down the isle since she's so close with my family. 9/11 for her will always be an unforgettable day, but she doesn't dwell on it anymore. Life goes on, and so did hers.
So if she's completely okay with stuff like this (which just seems to be a giant coincidence anyway) then I don't see why anyone else would get worked up over it. She's even mentioned to me in the past that it pisses her off when people try to come up with reasons to be offended over something 9/11 related.
It was a tragedy for those involved, and a sad day in American history for the rest. But it's not worth getting so worked up over, it's way past time to move on.
You know what though? Ten years later, she's fine. Twenty four, getting married next year, and she asked if my father would walk her down the isle since she's so close with my family. 9/11 for her will always be an unforgettable day, but she doesn't dwell on it anymore. Life goes on, and so did hers.
So if she's completely okay with stuff like this (which just seems to be a giant coincidence anyway) then I don't see why anyone else would get worked up over it. She's even mentioned to me in the past that it pisses her off when people try to come up with reasons to be offended over something 9/11 related.
It was a tragedy for those involved, and a sad day in American history for the rest. But it's not worth getting so worked up over, it's way past time to move on.
The article claims Route 4 is where Kyruem fell, If that's the case I want my level 70 Ice/Dragon Legendary in a plain old construction sight in the desert, when my teams average level is about 20+.
Seriously? You're seriously going to make a blanket statement like that? You're going to make the assumption that the entire USA deserved 9/11 even though more than half of the country didn't even want the Bush administration to be in charge in the first place? Ok, fair enough I guess. I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it.mowinckel107 said:
OT: I don't find it offensive at all. I mean yes, 9/11 was a significant event in the lives of many many people, but I don't see this as offensive. Now, if it showed rogue Pokemon (large, flying ones obviously) diving headfirst into towers and taking them down, then yeah I'd say that's a little more of a blatant attempt to be offensive.
Treating 9/11 like it was no big deal however is highly offensive to people who did lose family members, loved ones, friends, and colleagues during the attack. If someone murdered a member of your family would you really be able to say you'd ever "get over it?"
I agree that in the age of political correctness people can be overly sensitive about words, but death is an entirely different issue. I believe people still have the right to be upset about 9/11. And let's not forget people, in the grand scheme of things, 10 years is not that long.
This is a complete and total myth, and I'm frankly dissapointed the Cracked staff would spread it as truth. Route 4 isn't supposed to be Ground Zero, Kyurem isn't the "9/11 Pokémon" as it's been called, and the fact that it's 9'11" long is just a coincidence that was probably the inspiration for this claim in the first place. And even if it was supposed to be a 9/11 reference, which I'd like to reiterate it's not, so what? Jesus getting crucified was a tragedy. The nuking of Japan was a tragedy. The fact that Glenn Beck is allowed to walk the streets without being persecuted for crimes against the very concept of intelligence is a tragedy. Simply referring to them isn't the same as saying that they were awesome or that the victims deserved it.
Cheezus.
Glad I got that out before I just started bashing my head off the keyboard.
Cheezus.
Glad I got that out before I just started bashing my head off the keyboard.
I don't see what the big fucking deal is, and I didn't even notice it until I read that article even though I've looked at that map numerous times throughout my gameplay. If anyone is offended by it they really need to get the fuck over it.
This. You pretty much explained it better than I can.KareltheWicked said:
To be fair, those who lost loved ones in the attacks IMO get some leeway, though I disagree with calling the attacks the "WORST THING EVER TO HAPPEN IN THE 21ST CENTURY," or calling the victims of 9/11 "heroes" (police officers, firefighters, EMTs aside, of course).Willsor said:
Also, to the OP, who's clearly trolling us:
will people just get over shit like this? it's been 10 years!
if pokemon has anything sinister to show it's probably along the lines of animal abuse
if pokemon has anything sinister to show it's probably along the lines of animal abuse
It's a pokemon. I really, really, really, REALLY doubt that the people who made the game and designed the pokemon did it as a big screw you to america and the twin towers.
Even if they did, who cares. Take it from a skeptic who is also american- people are looking way to into things. what would the pokemon designers hope to gain by being so insensitive?
Even if they did, who cares. Take it from a skeptic who is also american- people are looking way to into things. what would the pokemon designers hope to gain by being so insensitive?