Up here in Oregon, hatred of California used to be synonymous with hatred of tourists. Now 75% of the population is from California... [sub][sub]They're the ones who constantly complain about the rain.[/sub][/sub]
Indeed. And the ones who ask: "Don't rainy days make you depressed?" And we try no to laugh. [sub]remember not to tell them that rain gives us our powers, turns our hair gold and us into super-oregonians. It is a secret.[/sub]
Spiridion said:
As a native to the state of Oregon, the general attitude I hear regarding California is that we're pretty okay with them... as long as they don't try to move here. That's when we start to dislike them, since it's hard enough to find affordable housing in Portland already, damn it. Also I work with a guy from LA who has some social attitudes that make me very uncomfortable... lots of casual racism/sexism, it's super fun. But he's obviously just one person so I rather hope he's not representative of the state as a whole.
Also California as a state seems to have a relatively high association with that whole anti-vaccine madness, so no points in their favor there.
Overall, I would say I probably hear Florida getting the most amount of hate. Though Texas, Missouri and New Jersey are also popular targets.
Wow, there must be two different Oregons for that to be true. No, I think I just might be a bit older than you, or remember what happened with housing starting in the 90s, as I explained in my long post. Unfortunately, every single person from LA I have ever met was much like the one you described, with one single exception: my sister's former neighbor. He fit right in Portland because he was a laid-back kind of guy who made a living woodworking. Unfortunately, he passed away not too long ago, so my last vestige of hope for Los Angelians was lost.
Pretty much 100% of the hate I see for California is for it being a wretched hive of progress and immorality. It's not just CA that gets this, either. New York (specifically the city) and Massachusetts get similar (and in NYC's case, as vitriolic) responses from a lot of people. California is one of the trend setters, one of the cultural centers, and has a large impact on public policy.
The "this product contains chemicals known by the state of California to cause cancer" thing gets a little old. One friend noted that he'd seen such a warning regarding lead... in crystal.
That seems like a little much.
I don't envy California its budget or educational woes, but what I've seen of the state is beautiful, and the people I've known from there have been no more insane than those from anywhere else, including my home state. The drivers I've encountered in California are their own shade of crazy, but drivers I've encountered everywhere are their own shade of crazy, and at least I didn't see anyone driving on the sidewalk last time I was in California.
(Except Hawaii. Hawaiian drivers seem to be friendly and courteous. Go figure.)
Californians are mostly pretty cool. A LOT of American cultural movements had their roots in California, so it'd be pretty stupid to hate them for trend-setting. That said, most people from LA suck. I think even Californians (who aren't from LA, and even then...) would agree with me there. LA is a shitty place, though that's true for most big cities in some way or another.
Not to mention that LAX wants to try and shut down Ontario International Airport making it harder for those in the Inland Empire to fly out.
Personally, as a Californian, I HATE California.
Most of what was said in that quoted post goes for most of California. I'm from the Inland Empire. No one knows where the fuck my city is. Even people in neighbouring cities that border mine. Not to mention that because I'm technically in a valley, people expect all of us to be valley girls/boys. Plus all of LA's smog gets blown into my city. As does Orange County's. Public transportation sucks balls if you don't live in San Diego, San Francisco, or LA. It literally takes 4 hours to get from one end of my city to the other. And that's a whole 10 miles. WHEN the buses are running on time. Everyone out here wants to be in Hollywood either on the porn side or the other side(I'm not calling it more legitimate even though its what everyone else calls it since both are legitimate jobs). For the past few months and the next few months I get to play the "is that gunshots, a car backfiring, or fireworks going off" game. Employment out here SUCKS BALLS. Wanna be gang members out here.
And then there's the people who assume all of us like the beach/ocean (I fucking despise it) and know how to surf and talk exactly like they do in the movies(spoiler: we don't talk like that unless we're making fun of the movies). AND WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH ALL THE DAMN IMPORTED PALM TREES? They aren't native to California. They are fucking everywhere and people put lights all over them for the damn holidays. Someone explain this phenomenon to me because I don't understand it and I've lived here my entire life. Also, the heat. It's too damn hot here. And people are excessively judgemental out here. Wear shorts because it's 90+ degrees fahrenheit outside? You must be a slut. Especially if it's paired with flip flops and a tank top. Not only that you're a disgusting slut who should be ashamed of being outside. Though that one is if you aren't under a size 5 with huge boobs. And anything over a size 5 is fat out here.
Though truth to be told, LA is overly hyped up just because Hollywood is there. And Hollywood isn't as nice as people seem to think it is. Certain areas of LA and Hollywood are nice but a lot of them aren't.
Another Missourian here and we all know that there are only 2 proper states to actually hate: Iowa and Kansas.
Seriously though, from what I've seen every state seems to have a cultural norm pointing to a rivalry with another state. While certain policies and particular people from a state might receive a great deal of grief nationally, I don't really think any state receives more hate and bile from the entire country than any other.
Another from the MO dogpile here. Generally, there's more hate between StL and KC than there is between Missouri and other states from our end. Well, that and the general Red/Blue divide, which is SHARP AS HELL in parts of the state. But mostly StL vs KC, which acts sort of like the dividing line between the east and west of the nation (seriously, look at a picture of the cities and tell me they're the same state), and the citizens of the state being notoriously cynical and outgoing in weird proportions.
Wait, no, anyone who ever uses the phrase "flyover country" seriously gets on the ****list.
$1700ish, I can buy a 2,300 square foot home with an attached 3 car garage and 1 acre of land. To put that into perspective, that home is 17 times the size of the apartment for the same money........and Kansas isnt even in the top 10 for cheapest states to live in.
You must have missed out a few zeros? You can buy a house for $1700? A house like that in the UK would be at least £170,000 (I know you get slightly more dollars to a pound). Realistically a big house with a 3 car (and your probably talking about american cars which tend to be bigger) and an acre of land will probably be upwards of £300,000. You cant really buy anything for under £50,000 and then its a 1 bed ex-crack den. Instead of complaining about Cali look at how expensive it is to live in the UK
Well, I guess I should have been more specific. I was saying that it was $1700 in monthly payments. Things like the mortgage payments, utilities, and property taxes. When you take all those together, then it is $1700 per month, the same amount as the apartment that is barely bigger than a jail cell in LA. Which should make a bit more sense, yes? (the actual house cost around $260,000 if you were to pay in full, just FYI)
Wow, there must be two different Oregons for that to be true. No, I think I just might be a bit older than you, or remember what happened with housing starting in the 90s, as I explained in my long post. Unfortunately, every single person from LA I have ever met was much like the one you described, with one single exception: my sister's former neighbor. He fit right in Portland because he was a laid-back kind of guy who made a living woodworking. Unfortunately, he passed away not too long ago, so my last vestige of hope for Los Angelians was lost.
Well, for one thing I was born in '93, so I would imagine that you may have witnessed a bit more of the changes in the housing market, while I grew up to find the results. I can see where a lot of the gentrification has happened in North Portland (where I grew up and still live), and in the "hipster strips" like Hawthorne, but I didn't really get to see as much of what they were before. Plus, a few of my close friends were born in CA and their families moved up here when they were young, so it's hard for me to hate transplants entirely. I do still find them annoying as the housing options seem to be increasingly divided between "bed bugs and drug deals" or "sustainable, eco-friendly, $1800/mo" with very little available in-between.
Also, most of your examples seem to be describing more rural areas of Oregon, which often is an entirely different Oregon than the liberal oasis that is Portland. I've lived in the city for all of my life, so really my only experience with that part of Oregon is when I visit my grandparents who live south of the Cascades. Personally, I'd also like to consider the suburbs surrounding Portland to be a third version of Oregon, because those places are so white and toxic it's like someone poured bleach on them.
As a Californian, born and raised, I can honestly say... that I fucking hate traffic from LA and beyond, I don't like how even my California map shirt lacks the cities some of my fellow "Cali" friends live, and if you hate the weather here in California, then we would be the best of acquaintances from a general perspective...
Other that that... I blame the stereotyping of any state, in terms of anyone hating a state in general... I think it's some kind of political standpoint to even hate a place you've never been to in the first place because you won't see me hating where you live until I actually go and try to live there for "a good year or two"... (Plus, I have reached the point that rain does not exist here in San Diego and anytime it does, no one knows how to handle this stunning revelation of rain existing, especially when it comes to drivers in general...)
You would say that, you filthy Bushwacker! You tried to cross the border and illegally vote to make us a slave state, then instigated a civil war when we cried foul by arming the pro-slavery militias and crossing the border to launch attacks on anti-slavery settlements! You disgust me!! *spits on grounds*
I was browsing around the escapist when I read the comments in this thread and there were jokes about nuking California.
I'm from Australia so I got that they were jokes but not why people were making them so I wanted to know if there is a common dislike of California that I don't know about.
California is artificial. Dangerously so. Everything must be cool, in style, and must be pop culture. And it dictates culture and then views. Which creates a feedback loop that filters out in other states.
California can't tell whats real or fake anymore, and that goes into the real world. Before you ask, yes people are gullible enough to change their views after seeing one movie.
God forbid we cite scholarly articles, RAMBO is all the educational material we need!
California politicians seems to think hackers are something like this:
So people like Feinstein keep putting forward overly restrictive laws to "protect us" from these "elite hackers."
Or that Nuke plants are dangerous because movies say so. Or that all guns have a 100% hit and kill rate and can somehow blow up tanks because Rambo did it.
so on and so forth. Pop Culture being the answer to everything. They let media dictate reality way too easily and it is in every class level all the way up to politicians. Its like Obama trying to ban throwing knives because they are "OP" in COD so they must be one hit kill machines in real life.
Back when Hitler was first starting out, California doctors sent out information on Eugenics everywhere and how it was cool and hip. California had a law to sterilize unfit people until the 1960s.
The law was so effective, it inspired Hitler to try it out.
So California's insistence to be a trendsetter might set some awful things in motion and might actually harm progress instead of help it. Especially if its based on pop culture and not facts and science like the Eugenics situation proved.
California pushes trends on everyone else regardless of its veracity. Sometimes bad things happen. Its also known as the Liberal Florida.
Its where the Democrats shove their ideas down people's throats like Republicans do with Florida and Texas. Which are also hated states.
TLDR: California has been a media state so long it forgot whats real and what was made up. Now the state is full of fake people that revolve around hot trends that often look ridiculous.
Like real glasses being uncool. But thick urkel glasses without lenses are cool.
I don't know why people say Florida is Republican. It's not. In fact it's pretty much the only state in the Deep South to have a Democratic majority. Now for the record that majority is so slim that the elections in Florida might as well be decided by a coin toss but it's a majority none the less. I chalk that up to all the people from the northern states vacationing here but let me tell you Florida IS NOT Alabama.
You would say that, you filthy Bushwacker! You tried to cross the border and illegally vote to make us a slave state, then instigated a civil war when we cried foul by arming the pro-slavery militias and crossing the border to launch attacks on anti-slavery settlements! You disgust me!! *spits on grounds*
I'll see your joke and raise you a "you can't make this crap up" real joke from history.
Missouri is known today as the "Show Me State", or at least that is our motto. Originally, it was claimed by many that the reason we had that motto was because Missourians were so stupid that they couldn't understand something unless you dreww them a picture.
As for our nickname? Some folks get off easy with cute nicknames like "Hoosier" or "Buckyeye" or what have you. What do we Missourians get? "Pukes" I kid you not, Missourians were called "Pukes"
But, hey. At least we didn't try to outlaw evolution (twice)! *cough* Kansas *cough*
(Also meant in good humor)
But at least we can share a true and noble hatred between us. Damn those stinking Nebraska folk!
...the bill's sponsor Rick Brattin (R-District 55) told the Kansas City Star (February 6, 2014) that requiring students to study evolution is "an absolute infringement on people's rights" and that evolution is "just as much faith and, you know, just as much pulled out of the air as, say, any religion."
Missouri's House Bill 1472, which would require school districts to allow parents to have their children excused from learning about evolution, was passed by the House Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education on March 12, 2014, after having a public hearing on February 13, 2014.
A separate antievolution bill in Missouri, House Bill 1587, which would deprive administrators of the ability to prevent teachers from miseducating students about "scientific controversies" around evolution, is still with the House Committee on Elementary and Secondary Education, where no hearing for it is yet scheduled.
Source, March 19th, 2014 [http://ncse.com/news/2014/03/missouri-antievolution-bill-advances-0015463]
All in good fun, Missouri.
And because I fully believe in throwing rocks at your own glass house...
ncse.com said:
Yet there are efforts underway to introduce a bill in the Pennsylvania legislature that "would allow teachers to teach alternative theories of evolution and climate change and other controversial topics, without facing sanctions." As NCSE previously reported, these efforts follow on the heels of a series of presentations from young-earth and "intelligent design" creationists in a Murrysville, Pennsylvania, church. No such bill has yet been introduced, however.
Not American so can't say for sure, but I have seen comments over the internet from angry sounding people that live in other states.
One memorable quote was "they try SO HARD to be like Europe!"
I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean but it must be a fearsome criticism.
Yeah, there's a bit of an anti California sentiment, but it's mostly directed at Los Angeles. People tend to associate the state (accurately or not) with traffic, pollution, crime, shallow people, and cartoonish liberals. The traffic is probably the most accurate stereotype about the state, but my personal issues are political and the state's occasionally bizarre laws and regulations. Honestly, Americans tend to rib on every other state anyways. Just ask someone from Illinois what they think of Indiana or someone from New York what they think of New Jersey. We don't really mean it, it's just more of a running joke.
Yeah, there's a bit of an anti California sentiment, but it's mostly directed at Los Angeles. People tend to associate the state (accurately or not) with traffic, pollution, crime, shallow people, and cartoonish liberals. The traffic is probably the most accurate stereotype about the state, but my personal issues are political and the state's occasionally bizarre laws and regulations. Honestly, Americans tend to rib on every other state anyways. Just ask someone from Illinois what they think of Indiana or someone from New York what they think of New Jersey. We don't really mean it, it's just more of a running joke.
even the people in the north of California describe people from L.A. as being fake and very shallow.
At least that's what I've been told by people there.
Really we here in the US heap shit on all the other states, akin to how brothers and sisters will pick on each other. I'd imagine it's true of most nations. We even make fun of our own states, particularly here in Texas since we cover a lot of area and have a fairly large and diverse population. If anything I think Alabama gets more hate than usual, at least around here. Actually my family is originally from Cali. I was born in Pasadena and have a lot of family in Arcadia, so most of the comments I usually hear are about how bad the government has been and how bad the prices are there. We moved when I was very young so my impressions are based more on the few times my family comes to visit which unfortunately is more often due to funerals. Overall I'd say it's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.
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