Is there any REASON gay marriage is wrong?

[Gigano]

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Social oppression? You and me DEFINITELY live in different countries.

Or maybe we get to view different sides of the same types of society?

In any case, we both live in countries which don't grant full legal equality to various human couples, though thankfully the government here seem to be in the process of making gender neutral marriage a reality (up from civil unions with full access to all legal benefits and obligation), as well as allowing those priests in the state church who hold nothing against homosexuality to perform the marriage rather than a mere subsequent blessing.

So it's really down to the marginals in most of western europe as far as state discrimination is concerned (though hate crimes are still frequent). But discrimination still exist, and should of course be eliminated where it does.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I'm not gay but I've never understood it. At best its based on some ancient bible quotes but I've always said that whatever God's word (if he exists) is it's probably been so twisted through secondary telling by scribes and even the original authors that it's not even recognisable anymore.

It's pretty much a common thing with secondary sources. The current writer will put his own inflection on something he has read. You can't tell me that information being filtered through hands of churchmen for centuries won't have been influenced in some way. I doubt whoever inspired the bible was a mysoginistic homophobe and if he is that's not someone I would want to worship. I'm a woman after all...

If people fall in love they should be allowed to be together. Love is cherished by the christian faith as far as I know. Why can't that be true for everyone. Would they rather have same sex marriages where one partner has no feelings for another?

As for disease and breeding. That's just a nonsense really isn't it. The world is so over populated it's fit to burst. I'm pretty sure diseases like aids can be spread through any sexual activity not just homosexual ones. I think the human race is more likely to die out from climate change than a few people sharing vows in the interest of true love.

I have no idea on the views on gay marriage from other faiths so I won't comment.

 

[RaDeuX]

One of the biggest concerns to people outside of the gay community is their provocative and flamboyant nature. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the average Joe. Wouldn't you have issues with supporting men who dress up in leather, drag, et cetera? It's not objective by any means, but do you realize where some of this hatred is stemming from?

For the record, I do have homosexual/pansexual/transexual friends, but I support neither side of the "gay marriage" argument because 1.) both sides are f*cking retarded and 2.) I'm a bit of a misanthrope.

 

[Jonabob87]

...Social oppression? You and me DEFINITELY live in different countries.

Or maybe we get to view different sides of the same types of society?

I live in a country where Muslims demand we bomb your country, and when we refuse they riot in the streets telling us that Mohammed is going to bomb us. No one is arrested.

A nurse offers to pray for a patient on his death bed. He complains, she loses her job.

A Christian couple who own a BnB have a policy where they don't allow unmarried couples to share a room but they'll give them two rooms for the same price as the single. A gay couples this as an entirely homophobic rule and takes them to court. They win. They then try and sue AGAIN but halt the case due to the reaction of the general public.

Perhaps your society isn't quite as ridiculously unbalanced as mine.

In any case, we both live in countries which don't grant full legal equality to various human couples, though thankfully the government here seem to be in the process of making gender neutral marriage a reality (up from civil unions with full access to all legal benefits and obligation), as well as allowing those priests in the state church who hold nothing against homosexuality to perform the marriage rather than a mere subsequent blessing.

So it's really down to the marginals in most of western europe as far as state discrimination is concerned (though hate crimes are still frequent). But discrimination still exist, and should of course be eliminated where it does.

Agreed, regardless of who it's imposed upon.

 

[googleback]

I honestly honestly HONESTLY... couldn't give a shit. Same goes for heterosexuals getting married so hopefully that's progress!

 

[AnkaraTheFallen]

Technically marriage is a church thing. I don't see why they can't have a civil union though. It gives them the same rights as married couples, but the church is not involved.

I'm not sure about other countries, but this is true for the UK, Gay couples can have a 'Civil Union' but not be married, makes no sense to me, but religion rarely does to me.

On a side note, I've never actually thought about getting married so I don't know much about it, just feels like a waste of time and money, to prove to others that you are in love, well... to me at least.

 

[Pinstar]

*I* have no problem with it, so I can't answer this myself.

However, my father is very much opposed to it, so I'll give you the reason he states for his feeling.

"If you allow Gay marriage, any random two people could claim they are married for tax purposes. Marriage already gives you a big tax break in this country (which is true) and letting two roommates or a couple of guys get 'married' would kill tax revenue, as this would let people 'marry' regardless if they were actually gay or not."

 

[obex]

Well if by marriage you mean civil partnership. Then yes go for it but i don't think you should force a religion whose holy writings say gays cannot marry, to marry gays under that religion as much i support the freedom to love who ever you want i also support freedom of religion.

TL;DR : Gay marriage = Yes
Gay marriage under a religion which prohibits it = No

 

[Gluzzbung]

You've got to understand that when you talk of marriage you are explicitly talking about the church and what they say in their private forum goes so we can't pressure them to change, saying that disallowing gay marriage is morally wrong, we have to just present them with the facts and let their concience decide. When talking about gay coupling I have no problem with it. Many of us however say they are fine with gay couples but yet are repulsed by two people of the same sex kissing when they see it. We seem to want the badge but aren't prepared to pay the fee. I do fall into this catagory, I would rather they keep their sensual thoughts to their own privacy and I know that sounds very biggoted but I can't help it and don't think Ill ever be able to.

 

[Valdus]

"If you allow Gay marriage, any random two people could claim they are married for tax purposes. Marriage already gives you a big tax break in this country (which is true) and letting two roommates or a couple of guys get 'married' would kill tax revenue, as this would let people 'marry' regardless if they were actually gay or not."

So it's okay for a guy and girl to screw over the tax system, but when it's two guys or two girls?

That right there is my argument for gay marriage. There are plenty of mixed gender couples that get married for the wrong reasons, so why should we restrict same sex couples who want to get married for the right ones?

 

[Gigano]

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I live in a country where Muslims demand we bomb your country, and when we refuse they riot in the streets telling us that Mohammed is going to bomb us. No one is arrested.

Kind of a separate issue there; I'm sure we can find common ground in denouncing Muslim fundamentalists and their violent ways, as well as a notion that death threats and incitement of violence should be dealt with harshly, be they religiously motivated or not.

A nurse offers to pray for a patient on his death bed. He complains, she loses her job.

A Christian couple who own a BnB have a policy where they don't allow unmarried couples to share a room but they'll give them two rooms for the same price as the single. A gay couples this as an entirely homophobic rule and takes them to court. They win. They then try and sue AGAIN but halt the case due to the reaction of the general public.

Perhaps your society isn't quite as ridiculously unbalanced as mine.

Well, considering that Christians are no better in their desire to discriminate gay people, I find it hard to pity them. If they won't help secure equal rights for everyone, why would anyone care about them when they lose out?

If you want general support for legislation that accommodates for your religious views, then reasonably you'll have to support legislation that accommodate for other lifestyles as well.

Agreed, regardless of who it's imposed upon.

So yes to the state (if not the church) recognizing gay marriage then?

 

[The Gnome King]

(Before reading, please note that I AM in favor of gay marriage, in case you're very thick and don't get that right away)

You might hear people go on about how "Gay marriage is wrong", and "How it shoud be illegal" and so on. But I've yet to hear an objective reason for the case. They sometimes try to justify their position with "It would hurt regular marriage", but this is far fetched at best and a flat out lie at worst.

Fortunately these forums tend to be pretty open-minded on the matter, but if you happen to disagree with me, I'd very much like to hear a good, solid, factual reason to support your position.

EDIT: Lol, I finaly caught on to the error in the title X). I originally wanted it to say "would be" instead of "is" but forgot to delete the "be".

Short answer:
No, there is no reason gays should not be able to get married. Period.


But...


The slightly longer answer I have is "why is government involved with marriage *at all* for *any reason* ...?"

I think that the US government, state and national, should get out of the business of marriage completely and recognize ONLY civil unions. Let each individual church "marry" people as they see fit, since marriage is a religious institution.

My wife and I were "married" by a Justice of the Peace - what kind of sense does that even make? A judge married us, in a courtroom. Why shouldn't that have been called a "civil union" and recognized as such, and if we *wanted* a marriage recognized, by, say, a Catholic Church or Mormon Temple we would then have to go and have it done there?

In my ideal society I would let the government handle and recognize only civil unions, for heterosexual and homosexual couples both - and let each individual religion handle marriage however the Hell it wants to. Free-market religion/marriage, we could call it. If your church/religion wanted to "marry" homosexuals - great! They would attract offerings and tithes from homosexuals and people who supported that viewpoint. If they didn't want to marry homosexuals - fine! They would no longer have them as a source of income.

I'm a bisexual male, FWIW.

 

[ABLb0y]

Could someone please explain to me how Gay Marriage could possibly ruin "Normal" Marriage? Because that's about the only argument homophobes have against it.

 

[Th37thTrump3t]

I say go for it. Less competition.

Joking aside I take the same stance on homosexuality as I do religion. Don't preach to me because I don't give two flying shits, don't try to convert me because I don't give two flying shits, and lastly, I DON'T GIVE TWO FLYING SHITS!

That's my rant for the day.

Hope you enjoyed reading.

Peace.

 

[dex-dex]

In Canada, where I live it is already legal.
I don't see a problem with it because as my friend's dad said " they should be able to get married. I mean they should not get a pass of losing half their stuff in a divorce." note my friend's dad is also very sarcastic and cynical.
the even worse thing is saying that gay parents should not adopt because the children will become gay. If you walk in on your parents doing the lovings not many of them are going to say YEAH THAT"S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO WITH MY LIFE!

 

[Th37thTrump3t]

Could someone please explain to me how Gay Marriage could possibly ruin "Normal" Marriage? Because that's about the only argument homophobes have against it.

Because marriage is a "holy sacrament" which may have been the case maybe say... 40-50 years ago. But in the days of being able to get married in Vegas and getting divorced just because the sex isn't good enough for you, honestly that argument holds absolutely no water.

 

[Cavehybrid]

yeh just let them do what they want to do. If the "no abortions ever" brigade ever win then we need childless couples to adopt the masses of unwanted poor little orphans.

 

[Eldarion]

(Before reading, please note that I AM in favor of gay marriage, in case you're very thick and don't get that right away)

You might hear people go on about how "Gay marriage is wrong", and "How it shoud be illegal" and so on. But I've yet to hear an objective reason for the case. They sometimes try to justify their position with "It would hurt regular marriage", but this is far fetched at best and a flat out lie at worst.

Fortunately these forums tend to be pretty open-minded on the matter, but if you happen to disagree with me, I'd very much like to hear a good, solid, factual reason to support your position.

EDIT: Lol, I finaly caught on to the error in the title X). I originally wanted it to say "would be" instead of "is" but forgot to delete the "be".

Personally I fond only one thing wrong with gay marriage.

The bible says that homo-sexuality is a sin, right? SO if we force a priest to perform a same-sex wedding, we force him/her to bless sin, and I don't think that's fair to the priest.

No one would be forcing priests to marry anyone. That doesn't make any sense.

Here in Finland, a few years ago a priest was fired because he refused to work with female priests. If gay marriage were approved by the law, priests refusing to perform them would no doubt be fired also. This in my opinion is forcing them.

Well I don't know what the law is like in Finland.

 

[The Gnome King]

If you say "I'm a Christian" then refuse to acknowledge something your Holy book says then you're not really being a Christian are you. If God speaks through it and says that homosexuality is wrong, turning round and saying "homosexuality is right" is completely contradicting what you're own chosen belief system says. You're choosing the label but not the belief.

There's not a single part in the old or new testaments that says homosexuality is alright, in four separate places (that I can think of) it says the opposite.

All Christians pick and choose what they wish to believe from their holy books. I don't know any Christians, for example, still following the Leviticus prohibitions against shellfish or mixing blends of fibers when making clothing, for example.

Other Bible verses Christians ignore today:

"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)

"Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her as a covering." (1 Corinthians 11:13-15)

"If any man takes a wife, and goes in on her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, 'I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin..." (Deuteronomy 22:13,14)

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

And many, many others, like:

Lev 1:9
Lev 11:10
Lev 19:27
Lev 21:20
Lev. 25:44

Exodus 21:7
Exodus 35:2

Show me One.Single.Christian alive today who claims to follow EVERYTHING that the Bible teaches. He or she would likely be in jail, if he or she followed, say, Deuteronomy 22:20,21.

Just sayin'

Jesus DID however speak a LOT about love, turning the other cheek, not being nasty, not judging... etc.

 

[pieguy259]

I think its wrong because I believe its unnatural, that is all.

Amazing! How did you manage to type that without a computer, an internet connection and a house?