Is there any REASON gay marriage is wrong?

[Yassen]

I'll add my two cents, probably been said before but I want to say it anyway. Should gay couples have the right to be married? Yes, absolutey. Should churches be forced to accept gay marriages? No, absolutely not. It is not in our right to say what the church can and can't do, it is their beliefs and so they decide, and I'm an atheist by the way.

If gay couples want to be married and be miserable like the rest of us, then let them have the ceremony and the legal binding that comes with marriage, but if the Christian Church refuses to do the ceremony then they also have the right to refuse. We can not force our opinion on them otherwise we'd be violating their rights like they're violating the rights of homosexuals. You could say they deserve it but I don't believe that, because then we'd be worse than they are.

 

[Mordwyl]

There's nothing wrong with gay unions. Marriage on the other hand always was something with religious roots. Their doctrines, their rules.

People want everything these days.

 

[Mark Hardigan]

The amount of I'm not homophobic but.... Here is lulzworthy, and sad.

I don't think that we should force any religous institution to bless any marrige that is against their religon, but if we are talking non-religous marriges then there no reason at all why you shouldn't allow it. Religon doesn't have a say here so Levictus can go throw itself in a bin.

No state should ever have the right to say that "Group X" can not do this, but "Group Y" can. That is a spit in the face to democracy and all the equality of men we have ever fought for. Remember, first they came for the communists...

Organized religion is technically not part of the government since according to law, they are representatives of their respective headquarters (i.e. the Vatican in terms of the Catholics). Thus, the few fanatics among them sadly give the rest horrible names by arrogantly believing that the basic tenets of democracy do not apply to them. Many fanatics of the religious right actually advocate what they would call a "benevolent dictator."

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

I have no problem with gay marrage.

What I would like to know is where do the religeous get there hatred from, does it acctually say in the Bible/quaran/etc. that having same sex relations is wrong and you will burn for it or whatever?

 

[IamGamer41]

The amount of I'm not homophobic but.... Here is lulzworthy, and sad.

So anyone who disagrees with the gay lifestyle is a homophobe in your eyes.So by that same logic anyone who uses the N word is a raciest.

 

[Jonabob87]

I think God's word is more important than your own personal preferences.

(..) neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee. Levi 19:19

You may want to check your pants bro.

Cotton

 

[Communist partisan]

(Before reading, please note that I AM in favor of gay marriage, in case you're very thick and don't get that right away)

You might hear people go on about how "Gay marriage is wrong", and "How it shoud be illegal" and so on. But I've yet to hear an objective reason for the case. They sometimes try to justify their position with "It would hurt regular marriage", but this is far fetched at best and a flat out lie at worst.

Fortunately these forums tend to be pretty open-minded on the matter, but if you happen to disagree with me, I'd very much like to hear a good, solid, factual reason to support your position.

EDIT: Lol, I finaly caught on to the error in the title X). I originally wanted it to say "would be" instead of "is" but forgot to delete the "be".

Nothing wrong with gay marriage or homosexuals at all, the more guys married the more guys single for me and the more guys going gay the more girls for me, perfect symbiosis

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

Gay people cannot reproduce, therefore they shouldn't get married or have sex ever.

Well THAT's a very rude way to put it. What about Men who are sterile or women who are infertile? Does this mean they too cannot marry or have sex? Its this kind of thinking why Young people in particular have trouble coming out about their sexuality.

As for me, I'm all for it, I see marriage as a bond between two people, not for political or religious reasons which sadly is peoples stand on stopping it Amongst other things such as homophobia or Naive thinking like my Quoted friend.

 

[IamGamer41]

I have no problem with gay marrage.

What I would like to know is where do the religeous get there hatred from, does it acctually say in the Bible/quaran/etc. that having same sex relations is wrong and you will burn for it or whatever?

In the christen bible is reads something like this


Any man who lay down with a man like a woman is an abomination and shall be put to death.Its in the book of Leviticus.Theres also some other ones saying don't sleep with animals or you die or don't sleep with a woman wile shes on her period.

 

[funguy2121]

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[Jonabob87]

I have no problem with gay marrage.

What I would like to know is where do the religeous get there hatred from, does it acctually say in the Bible/quaran/etc. that having same sex relations is wrong and you will burn for it or whatever?

In the christen bible is reads something like this


Any man who lay down with a man like a woman is an abomination and shall be put to death.Its in the book of Leviticus.Theres also some other ones saying don't sleep with animals or you die or don't sleep with a woman wile shes on her period.

It says "This is an abomination" not "He is an abomination".

 

[Dana22]

I think God's word is more important than your own personal preferences.

(..) neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee. Levi 19:19

You may want to check your pants bro.

Cotton

And if a man shall smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he shall die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he shall continue a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his money.

Ex. 21:20-21

Do you own any slaves ? I sure do, as a true Christian. But remember to keep them alive for few days after fatal beating though ! Unless you want to invoke Gods wrath for wasting the livestock !

 

[IamGamer41]

Gay people cannot reproduce, therefore they shouldn't get married or have sex ever.

Well THAT's a very rude way to put it. What about Men who are sterile or women who are infertile? Does this mean they too cannot marry or have sex? Its this kind of thinking why Young people in particular have trouble coming out about their sexuality.

As for me, I'm all for it, I see marriage as a bond between two people, not for political or religious reasons which sadly is peoples stand on stopping it Amongst other things such as homophobia or Naive thinking like my Quoted friend.

Wile the whole never have sex ever is lame.He does have a point.A married gay couple cannot reproduce.As for sterile men and women there are medical procedures that can help them.

Personalty I believe that young people who have a hard time finding there sexuality is because of no real sex ed in schools an parents not talking to them about it.

 

[Jonabob87]

I think God's word is more important than your own personal preferences.

(..) neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee. Levi 19:19

You may want to check your pants bro.

You gotta love Leviticus! Loads of weird commands in there haha . But if you read it contextually to the people God was giving that command to. Those individuals had only just won their freedom from the Egyptians. Up until that time they were living under the rule of the Egyptians and so did not know how to function independently as their own society. Those commands, as strange as they are, were God's (very temporary) way of helping them function as a society. Also remember that those people were only a fraction above barbaric in terms of philosophy and thought, so stuff had to be kept simple for them to understand and carry out. I'm guessing that command regarding linen and wool had something perhaps to do with the way they fabricated linen and woolen garments and mingling the two may cause an unfavourable reaction with the skin that would cause them to become ill. It's the same with the command of eating pork. It wasn't allowed for a while because it was a forbidden animal by the Lord. This probably wasn't some arbitrary rule from God, it was more than likely due to the fact that their hygiene methods meant cooking and eating pork was a death sentence in terms of infection and food poisoning. But you couldn't explain that to a barely civilised bunch of people haha .

But a lot of what was in the Old Testament is, as you say and know, quite irrelevant to modern life now. The Old Testament should only ever serve as the background story of man's separation from God through rebellion and the violence and evil that all humans are capable of. It paves the way for the beautiful rescue and reconciliation story found in the New Testament in the story of Jesus. There are many golden nuggets of philosophy and thought in there, but most of it is just irrelevant rules, wars and king bloodlines!

I agree with the gist of what you're saying dude. You put it beautifully but Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law of Moses and that not one "jot or tittle" would be changed until the end of the world.

Now I think about it he said "Until my fathers kingdom comes" in a lot of translations, which was when the Holy spirit came down after the resurrection...I must read in to this.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Gay people cannot reproduce, therefore they shouldn't get married or have sex ever.

Well THAT's a very rude way to put it. What about Men who are sterile or women who are infertile? Does this mean they too cannot marry or have sex? Its this kind of thinking why Young people in particular have trouble coming out about their sexuality.

As for me, I'm all for it, I see marriage as a bond between two people, not for political or religious reasons which sadly is peoples stand on stopping it Amongst other things such as homophobia or Naive thinking like my Quoted friend.

What makes you think we're friends? Are you that lonely that you just fabricate friends out of thin air?

Besides, calling me naive implies that I haven't thought my position through, which is wrong, I do believe infertile/sterile people shouldn't be able to get married, it would be pointless.

 

[IamGamer41]

I have no problem with gay marrage.

What I would like to know is where do the religeous get there hatred from, does it acctually say in the Bible/quaran/etc. that having same sex relations is wrong and you will burn for it or whatever?

In the christen bible is reads something like this


Any man who lay down with a man like a woman is an abomination and shall be put to death.Its in the book of Leviticus.Theres also some other ones saying don't sleep with animals or you die or don't sleep with a woman wile shes on her period.

It says "This is an abomination" not "He is an abomination".

Read my post again I said it says something like this not it is exactly like this.

 

[Jonabob87]

I think God's word is more important than your own personal preferences.

(..) neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee. Levi 19:19

You may want to check your pants bro.

Cotton

And if a man shall smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he shall die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he shall continue a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his money.

Ex. 21:20-21

Do you own any slaves ? I sure do, as a true Christian. But remember to keep them alive for few days after fatal beating though ! Unless you want to invoke Gods wrath for wasting the livestock !

Are you thinking about what you're typing? First off that says "servant or maid". Use a better translation.

The slaves of this time were through debt or by selling themselves to write off debt. Personally if someone dicks around with money and gambling to the degree where they need to sell themselves, that's their bag. If someone dicks around with money they owe you and can't pay it back there are no banks to loan you money, or government hand outs. That person may be the only way to keep yourself stable. This is a completely different slavery to Brits stealing African people and putting them to forced labour.

On top of this dictating "don't beat your servants" rules is a pretty good way to do things. By definition a "fatal" beating would leave a person dead right there, so I doubt that's they mean.

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

Gay people cannot reproduce, therefore they shouldn't get married or have sex ever.

Well THAT's a very rude way to put it. What about Men who are sterile or women who are infertile? Does this mean they too cannot marry or have sex? Its this kind of thinking why Young people in particular have trouble coming out about their sexuality.

As for me, I'm all for it, I see marriage as a bond between two people, not for political or religious reasons which sadly is peoples stand on stopping it Amongst other things such as homophobia or Naive thinking like my Quoted friend.

What makes you think we're friends? Are you that lonely that you just fabricate friends out of thin air?

Besides, calling me naive implies that I haven't thought my position through, which is wrong, I do believe infertile/sterile people shouldn't be able to get married, it would be pointless.

It was sarcasm, If you like I could just call you a Pompous Twat-Fuck if it pleases you.

So what about other methods like Adoption, Surrogate Parents, Sperm Donating, Have a female friend house the child of your other half? Are you saying we should abandon all those methods because there not all produced from sex?