Is there any REASON gay marriage is wrong?

[Griffolion]

I think God's word is more important than your own personal preferences.

(..) neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee. Levi 19:19

You may want to check your pants bro.

You gotta love Leviticus! Loads of weird commands in there haha

Just like the "god hates fags" one, am I right ?

If you could find the verse that specifically says that God hates fags I would be much appreciative. The slogan 'God Hates Fags' is something belonging to Westboro Baptist Church and associated people, whom I cannot wish more to be spiritually further from.

You know really well which verse I am talking about. I used the "slogan" because I didn't wanted to search through my bible again, but I decided to do that just for you:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Levi 18:22.

"Abomination" is the worst sin unto lord. I bet he hates it.

Yeah I know that very well however it doesn't say that God hates gay people. He says that the act is sinful and God hates sin because it's anathema to God. God in fact loves the person, He loves all people, it's just the act. You simply didn't get my very subtle hint that I knew exactly what you were on about and already knew that the verse you were about to (and did) quote has been negatively taken by yourself. But there was my point anyway.

The more accurate translation is the NIV which states:
"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable'"

It says 'that is detestable' in that the act is, not the person. If God meant the person it would be 'he is detestable for doing it'.

Also as a side point the verse after that also goes to talk about all types of sexual acts, including heterosexual ones that are outside of marriage, which is also a bad thing according to God. So not only is homosexual sex a sin according to God (which would naturally be assumed to be unmarried in their time, that is why marriage status in 18:22 between two men is not specified) but unmarried sex between man and woman, sex with relatives and sex with animals is sinful too.

God loves people, all people. I know that because i love all people regardless of sexual orientation and i only love like this because God loved me first. If He didn't love all people, he wouldn't have sent Jesus to save all people. Just my belief.

 

[jackpipsam]

no there is no reason why not

 

[Dana22]

God loves people, all people.

Yeah, he loves them so hard he will send them to eternal damnation. Makes sense.

 

[Jonabob87]

The act is an abomination, the person isn't.

But the question is, do YOU think it is wrong or bad. Do you use this verse to justify your position on that matter. Like that other guy did.

If course I do, and no I felt that way even before I was a Christian. I've always felt that while a person can do something wrong that doesn't make them a bad person.

 

[Griffolion]

The act is an abomination, the person isn't.

But the question is, do YOU think it is wrong or bad. Do you use this verse to justify your position on that matter. Like that other guy did.

And I hope you're not referring to me with 'that other guy' thing. I didn't even mention Lev 18:22 until you raised it. Before that I mentioned Lev as a whole along with the Old Testament as an explanation of the commandments.

 

[Dana22]

The act is an abomination, the person isn't.

But the question is, do YOU think it is wrong or bad. Do you use this verse to justify your position on that matter. Like that other guy did.

If course I do, and no I felt that way even before I was a Christian. I've always felt that while a person can do something wrong that doesn't make them a bad person.

Im sorry, I haven't noticed "that other guy" is you. Ok, let me rephrase my question: Do you think homosexuals deserve eternal damnation ?

 

[Jonabob87]

God loves people, all people.

Yeah, he loves them so hard he will send them to eternal damnation. Makes sense.

That's more your interpretation of "eternal damnation" (a catholic term).

Jesus refers to hell as "The outer darkness" many times. That makes me think it's more a state of being. You've refused the salvation made available through what it widely regarded as the most brutal death in history and for that you'll be left behind.

How I see it, at least.

 

[Jonabob87]

The act is an abomination, the person isn't.

But the question is, do YOU think it is wrong or bad. Do you use this verse to justify your position on that matter. Like that other guy did.

If course I do, and no I felt that way even before I was a Christian. I've always felt that while a person can do something wrong that doesn't make them a bad person.

Im sorry, I haven't noticed "that other guy" is you. Ok, let me rephrase my question: Do you think homosexuals deserve eternal damnation ?

I think everyone does, including me.

 

[Ponce Master-General]

I'm not a dumb person, but I don't have the slightest idea how gay marriage would hurt regular marriage. I would very much appreciate if someone who does know responds to this post. Thank you.

But no, there's no reason that gay marriage is wrong. It's all a crock of shit if you ask me.

 

[Dense_Electric]

There's really a very simple solution (as I've already said) - simply recognized religious marriage and legal marriage as two separate things. Just because they're both called marriage doesn't mean they're the same thing, and changing the name of one or the other will not make them any more different.

Under this system, religious marriage could remain heterosexual only, and the church would not have to sanction anything they didn't choose to sanction. Legal marriage in terms of benefits and recognition under the law would allow any two consenting human adults to marry, and anyone who didn't like it would not be forced to like it, but they would have to deal with it.

 

[Dana22]

God loves people, all people.

Yeah, he loves them so hard he will send them to eternal damnation. Makes sense.

That's more your interpretation of "eternal damnation" (a catholic term).

Jesus refers to hell as "The outer darkness" many times. That makes me think it's more a state of being. You've refused the salvation made available through what it widely regarded as the most brutal death in history and for that you'll be left behind.

How I see it, at least.

Yeah, interpretation is hard because there are at least few different descriptions of "that place" (Sheol, Gehenna etc.) in the Bible.

 

[Woodsey]

My two reasons for being against it are as follows.
1. allowing gays to marry gives them the right to adopt children, something I think is wrong. If they want to do it themselves, I don't like it but I can't stop it. I think it's just wrong to allow them to screw up a childs life and steer them towards the same future just because you want to be more like a natural couple when you're not.

2. As a christian it is wrong. The bible says in multiple places that men who give into lust for each other deserve the same fate as men who give into lust for a woman, and that no homosexuals will inherit the kingdom of god.

So your opinions on the rights of other human beings, who have done nothing wrong, are taken from vastly ambigious book written by a group of men a couple of 1000 years ago (the Old Testament is about 4000 years old I think - that's the one that has passages condoning rape by the way, and holds women to be inferior to men); and I'm sure there are plenty of passages that could be interpreted to accept homosexuality.

You also seem to assert that homosexuality is a choice, or something that can be passed on to other people simply by being around them. Which, y'know, is ridiculous.

 

[spartandude]

Well, scientifically speaking homosexuals being together does nothing to further the human species and actually leads to diseases. There are no real reasons why it should be allowed in terms of science.

according to science we have a dwindling amount of resorces and can bearly sustain the current population, let alone a larger one.

And according to science more hetrosexual couples have STDs (STIs) than homosexual couples.

There are no reasons why heterosexual marriages should be allowed in terms of science.

 

[Griffolion]

God loves people, all people.

Yeah, he loves them so hard he will send them to eternal damnation. Makes sense.

Think of yourself in a pigsty, covered in mud and filth etc. Now would it make sense for you to go straight into a surgeons theatre where it has to be absolutely sterile in order to work properly? No, because you're too dirty and need to wash before you go in.

That's basically what it's about. Sin is the separation from man and God. If a man is sinful (which every single one of us in this world is), he simply cannot enter heaven. It's not that God sends people to 'eternal damnation' with a smile on his face or anything, it probably breaks God's heart when that happens. But someone who is sinful before God's eyes cannot be in the same place where He is because He absolutely will not tolerate the impurity of sin, which we are all guilty of, but also acquitted of through Jesus. Again, just my belief. What happens from there, i have no idea. I genuinely don't think Hell is the typical fire and brimstone eternal pain place. I think it's just a place where you are fully separated from God. It could just be another level of consciousness where you are no longer able to talk to God like we are now. CS Lewis put it well when he said that it will look just like life does now, you have everything you could ever want on this earth, except its all grey and you get no joy out of it. And who's to say Hell is permanent, eventually, God may take us all to another place to just chillax and play football for the rest of eternity, i don't know, i openly admit that now. But i just find it really sad that you're painting Christianity as a faith of horribleness when it's one of hope, peace and love.

 

[orangeban]

Lots of people seem to be saying we should just make legal marriage and religious marriage seperate, and that gay people can have the religious one, but only if that church allows it.

I disagree with this idea, the churches shouldn't get to choose, I say they should have to marry gay people. What if someone is a gay catholic or some other group who dislike gay marriage? Why can't they get married the way they want? We don't let churches refuse to marry people because, say, they're black, so why let them choose about homosexuals?

 

[Stevepinto3]

I disagree with using the term "marriage" because the idea of "marriage" as it is has been the same for thousands of years, and now we have to change it because... why exactly? Because less than 10% of the worlds population demands a change of ideas? What's next? "Marriage" to a goat? "Marriage" to your left hand? Once you break the defined nature of the language, where does it end?

Why not civil union? Why not a whole new word? Why must it be "marriage?"

By the way, that's Elton John's opinion, as well as mine. I'm not against civil unions, but I am against using the term "marriage."

I would have to disagree with his argument. Marriage means different things to a lot of different people. Neither do I buy the slippery slope idea that this means next we'll be marrying animals.

I support full marriage rights, not civil unions. Sure they seem like a nice middle ground where you can have the benefits of marriage without offending people, but there's still a distinction there. It still classifies homosexuals as "different" or even "inferior". It's just a cop-out to appease homophobes and bigots. Having the benefits of marriage are important, but what's more important is being respected like an equal human being.

Technically marriage is a church thing.

People of different religious backgrounds get married, as do Atheists. It's not just a church thing, and if it were then it wouldn't have a right to be recognized by law as per the establishment clause.

In favor of it not being legal. Like most politicians i don't think we should change the definition of marriage when the traditions are what matter.

Why do traditions matter? Traditions (religious traditions as well) change all the time, look at Christmas. Minorities and women not having the right to vote was a tradition. Just because it's the way we've always done something does not justify it.

I might seem to be antagonistic here, but this is something I have a strong opinion on. There is no reason at all that someone should not have the right to marry whomever they want. There is absolutely no good argument against gay marriage.

 

[Doug]

Because God says so, apparently. Though I suspect the people who trout that reason never read that part of the bible, which is quite open to interpretation; i.e. it probably means 'obey God', not 'gays are bad'.

And even then, they kinda ignore all the other stuff in the bible, especially the New Testment (i.e. love your brother; let ye who is without sin cast the first stone; etc).

 

[XHolySmokesX]

I recon sexuality in society has been completely bisexual since we first realised we could make rational thoughts. In ancient greece, men would generally have a wife and a male lover on the side, and women commonly slept with other women.

When the Roman civilisation descided to conquer most of the world, they bought with them tyranical laws and ruels of society that are still enforced socially in todays society. The romans were also the ones who created the rules and laws of christianity which persist today as the founding religeon of the western world.

Some of the rules the Romans created were as such:

Men were only allowed to have one women, this meant that the emperors could have as many women as they wanted whilst emasculating the men in society and preventing an overthrow of government.

They also banned homosexual relationships, this meant that every man and woman was in a heterosexual relationship resulting in a larger population growth to expand their empire faster and create more warriors.

The Roamns basically used their populace as a resource for their own security and power, and for some reason a lot of their laws and rules still persist as socially acceptible norms when they totally go against our nature as human beings.

I recon, in the future, after people further regain they tollerance of homosexuality, we will turn into a bisexual society where it is commonplace for people to sleep with either gender whenever they feel like it.

 

[spartandude]

Marriage is not actually a religious thing, or at least its not limited to christianity. Marriage (or a very similar concept of a union) existed long before christianity in alot of areas in the world.
Hell most "barbarian" tribes had some kind of union like that.

So no it isnt religious at all.

and i dont care what the bible says about homosexuality. the bible encourages slavery, rape, sexism and genocide, it even dictates some fabrics you can wear and older bibles even used to have the food laws. quoting from the bible is useless