Is there really no "Cons" to a Vegetable only diet?
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The biggest hurdles in a Vegitarian diet and to a larger extent the vegan diet. Is finding Fat soluble vitamins and the missing amino acids.
People like to talk about protein like it's just one thing but really it's a collection of different amino acids with many being found predominantly in meat in large quantities. This means that if you don't find a good alternative for those acids you will start to suffer from the various effects of malnourishment.
Personally I'd love to see the production of meat that is artificially grown, not only for the benefit of not having to kill an animal but also reducing the waste incurred when you have to grow a whole animal for it's meat. This is a subject that is constantly being worked on but still a long way off.
People like to talk about protein like it's just one thing but really it's a collection of different amino acids with many being found predominantly in meat in large quantities. This means that if you don't find a good alternative for those acids you will start to suffer from the various effects of malnourishment.
Personally I'd love to see the production of meat that is artificially grown, not only for the benefit of not having to kill an animal but also reducing the waste incurred when you have to grow a whole animal for it's meat. This is a subject that is constantly being worked on but still a long way off.
I'm flattered, but you're really overstating the effort it takes to go vegetarian. There are good alternatives available in many parts of the world. And unless you go vegan, you may not even need supplements.Politrukk said:
What I do recommend, as a vegetarian, is to do some research before you chance your diet. If you see someone's health decline, it's mostly likely because they're not eating right. Or they might be hiding an eating disorder behind their vegetarian lifestyle (which is more common than you might think).
Eh, to be fair, it's not as all those animals raised for meat are grazing animals. A lot of them are fed with animal feed imported from developing countries. Of course, this doesn't mean you should rush right into the quinoa fad (because that seriously screws with local economies as well) either. Whether you eat meat or not, try focusing on more local products instead of buying all sorts of fancy imported stuff.
Maybe this is a regional thing, because in the UK eating a vegetarian diet now is far cheaper that meat. It's got to the point where even relatively niche meat substitutes like Quorn are often cheaper than the equivalent meat now, which admittedly never used to be the case.Guitarmasterx7 said:
As far as spoiled food is concerned, I'd be a lot more worried about meat or dairy than veg. Onions, sweet potatoes, garlic, can basically just sit in the kitchen for weeks at ambient temperature. Peppers, mushrooms, courgettes, should generally last a week if refrigerated properly, so if yours aren't then maybe shop somewhere else! And there's always tinned veg which is usually pretty cheap by weight and lasts basically forever.
Well the cons of a vegan/vegetarian diet, is those diets were not possible before multivitamin/mineral supplements became mass produced in recent decades. As you can die from a vitamin deficiency.
You can eat as "healthy" as you want. But what your lifespan really boils down to, is your genetics. There are cases of big smokers and drinkers who live to their 90's. I have a cousin whose been smoking cigarettes as long as I've known her (she's in her 40's). And has yet to get any sort of cancer. Meanwhile there are people with "healthy" eating habits, who have died from heart attacks. Or cancer and/or other genetic diseases.
Just take a look at Steve Jobs, who strived for a healthy lifestyle. Died of cancer. While Steve Wozniak (with an unhealthier lifestyle and being overweight). And Bill Gates are both alive and kicking.
You can eat as "healthy" as you want. But what your lifespan really boils down to, is your genetics. There are cases of big smokers and drinkers who live to their 90's. I have a cousin whose been smoking cigarettes as long as I've known her (she's in her 40's). And has yet to get any sort of cancer. Meanwhile there are people with "healthy" eating habits, who have died from heart attacks. Or cancer and/or other genetic diseases.
Just take a look at Steve Jobs, who strived for a healthy lifestyle. Died of cancer. While Steve Wozniak (with an unhealthier lifestyle and being overweight). And Bill Gates are both alive and kicking.
I was really just addressing the statement that I thought you were making - specifically that a vegetarian/vegan diet isn't difficult for anyone, rather than what I guess you meant 'anyone here'. Although even then I kind of find it iffy, because you can totally get dialup in small towns that can't support large or thoroughly stocked grocery stores.manic_depressive13 said:
I actually question how healthy Steve Jobs's diet was. He died of pancreatic cancer. When Ashton Kutcher tried to get on the same diet as him, he got sick.-Jak- said:
Notable, his pancreas failed.
Completely anecdotal, of course.
Oh absolutely, but that's the absence of air encouraging rather unusual bacteria rather than length of time and normal rot. In open air, any veg that is bad will pretty obviously look bad, and obviously shouldn't be eaten.Richard Gozin-Yu said:
Still, for all other readers; DON'T MAKE YOUR OWN GARLIC OIL. IT MIGHT KILL YOU.
I've read Jobs tried some unorthodox methods to be healthy. But he wasn't eating the kind of stuff his fellow co-founder Wozniak eats. And Steve Wozniak is 65 now while Jobs lived to 55. With a number of health complications Jobs experienced before passing away.AccursedTheory said:
Wozniak reportably has a four square account where he regularly checks into restaurants. And the kind of things he orders are loaded with sugar, salt, dairy, and artificial junk. Idk how long Wozniak will live. But at this point, his eating habits have not cut short his life like others who attempted healthier lifestyles and failed. Because a certain disease or medical conditon ended their life.
Of course there's downsides to a vegetable-only diet. Not only are there downsides to every diet, but if you restricted yourself to only vegitables, there's a LOT of nutrients you would be lacking, sugars, fats, proteins, and iron just off the top of my head. Don't let people fool you, a balanced diet is important to have. Our bodies need all kinds of nutrients, and restricting yourself to a small food group is going to take a LOT of work and effort to stay healthy.
That's funny. I knew some Nutritionist and Dieticians. They got many sick so much while on vegetarian diets. They knew all the tricks to make sure they got the essential proteins. But the group started suggesting to go back onto meats to some of their clients and it fix up all their problems.Recusant said:
I remember meeting some of these people beforehand. They were tired, sickly, brittle hair. They couldn't handle any exercise. Later we found out that many of them were low in iron as well.
Some stay on a meat diet, other had meat irregularly and some went back to vegetarian. I changed jobs so I don't know what happened after 7mths from this experiment
You can get iron from many places. Also, the way milk is homogenised means that broccoli and dark green leafy veges are now the best source of calcium. Fruits and Veges are pretty much only sugars, but if you are comparing amounts, half a tomato equals about a third of a cup of rice which also equals 25 cups of lettuce (i.e. the more sweet something is, the more sugar it has). And fructose can be found in fruit, which is more easily used by the brain. Glucose is more likely to be found in veges and can be easily used by the muscles. So its not only needing sugars, but different types of sugars.9tailedflame said:
I dunno, gaming is a pretty fucking swanky hobby, so even though people in rural places could technically come here, I sincerely doubt they do. The person I was responding to said that a vegetarian diet is harder to maintain, especially if you don't have access to much plant produce. I addressed the former point, that it's harder even if you do have access to plant produce, and basically ignored the latter, because I thought it was irrelevant. Obviously someone with limited access to food is going to eat what they have access to.EvilRoy said:
I think the longest I lasted on a vegetarian diet was 3 days, and then I wimped out.
I just missed eating meat so much, so I guess that would be the con. Although watching that recent episode on VICE about the environmental hazards of irresponsible meat production made me consider the no meat lifestyle.
I just missed eating meat so much, so I guess that would be the con. Although watching that recent episode on VICE about the environmental hazards of irresponsible meat production made me consider the no meat lifestyle.