Is this art theft Escapist?

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fix-the-spade

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PedroSteckecilo said:
That's a trademark in regards to the name though, the Logo usually has it's own Copyright.
True, but not all Logos actually have their copyright on them. Best example (in the UK) would be Tesco, their logo doesn't have a copyright anywhere on it. But it's still registered.
Same applies to 2000AD comics and E.Thirteen bicycle products. Obtuse examples I know but that's what's on the desk in front of me. Usually the copyright guff will be in tiny print in the instructions or on the bottom rather than where you can see it.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
PedroSteckecilo said:
That's a trademark in regards to the name though, the Logo usually has it's own Copyright.
True, but not all Logos actually have their copyright on them. Best example (in the UK) would be Tesco, their logo doesn't have a copyright anywhere on it. But it's still registered.
Same applies to 2000AD comics and E.Thirteen bicycle products. Obtuse examples I know but that's what's on the desk in front of me. Usually the copyright guff will be in tiny print in the instructions or on the bottom rather than where you can see it.
Copyright varies from country to country though,

Example:

Sherlock Holmes, public domain in US, not in Great Britain. Same with Peter Pan.
 

fix-the-spade

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PedroSteckecilo said:
Copyright varies from country to country though,

Example:
Sherlock Holmes, public domain in US, not in Great Britain. Same with Peter Pan.
Excellent point, filthy communist yanks* giving peoples hard work to the proletariat!

I still think that skull is a little too much like the Skullcandy one, it's probably different enough to satisfy legal types, but for me it's a bit too close.


*Nothing personal, been wanting to call someone a filthy communist all day.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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Still can't find a Skullcandy Logo with a Copyright on the Skull image...

I hope we don't all get banned for this.
 

L.B. Jeffries

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PedroSteckecilo said:
Still can't find a Skullcandy Logo with a Copyright on the Skull image...

I hope we don't all get banned for this.
All I know is I'm buying a dozen and waiting until they discontinue the series because of this little rumor. I figure they'll be worth double on Ebay in a few years once they become the rare "impossible to find" Zero Punctuation t-shirts.
 

Ago Iterum

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It's too similar for my liking, but it's different enough for them to get away with it legally, without plaigarism.
 

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Furrama said:
So I was browsing the T-shirts (because I want a MMORPGER shirt so hard) and i came across this shirt: http://www.splitreason.com/productdetail.php?id=688

The inner graphic designer (actually I really am one, I'll have that degree come spring time) in me went 'hang on... I've seen that skull before': http://chipchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/skull_candy_pink.JPG

Now sure, it's been changed up a lot- grit and splatter has been added, it's been flipped around, points have been made less sharp but the foundations are still there. I mean, I recognized it and I wasn't looking for it. I know a skull's a skull and I shouldn't be so picky but this one looks so close I can't help but think it's been either: A. stolen or B. heavily reffed. I suppose it's possible that it's a complete accident, but it's not coming across that way. I'm sure that the Skull Candy owners would look at it twice.

Shame on you Escapist graphic designers, Iseewhatyoudidthar. O.O
nope there different,

Move along now everyone, nothing to see here.
 

Virgil

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I don't think our artistress shops for headphones at Hot Topic very often, so perhaps the fact that someone was using a skull as their logo didn't get noticed. I think she'd be more of a Sennheiser kind of girl anyway.

We use stock art as the base for many designs - you're probably just seeing the similarity between different designs that take influence from the same sources. There's only so many ways one can stylize a skull after all. We've also had stock people from our weekly issue articles appear in other magazines. It's pretty funny when it happens.
 

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Virgil said:
I don't think our artistress shops for headphones at Hot Topic very often, so perhaps the fact that someone was using a skull as their logo didn't get noticed. I think she'd be more of a Sennheiser kind of girl anyway.

We use stock art as the base for many designs - you're probably just seeing the similarity between different designs that take influence from the same sources. There's only so many ways one can stylize a skull after all. We've also had stock people from our weekly issue articles appear in other magazines. It's pretty funny when it happens.
That's what I thought, Skull Candy isn't a "big" company by any stretch so they may have done the same thing and it would also explain why they don't have any copyright info for the image.
 

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i personaly have to say that its the same skull just changed a bit if you look carefully on the shirt you can see the teeth. well at least i can.
 

Furrama

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Virgil said:
I don't think our artistress shops for headphones at Hot Topic very often, so perhaps the fact that someone was using a skull as their logo didn't get noticed. I think she'd be more of a Sennheiser kind of girl anyway.

We use stock art as the base for many designs - you're probably just seeing the similarity between different designs that take influence from the same sources. There's only so many ways one can stylize a skull after all. We've also had stock people from our weekly issue articles appear in other magazines. It's pretty funny when it happens.
That would make sense. There are so many ways to style any thing true, but at the same time I myself just find it a shame that things couldn't be a bit more original. The way the image is shaped and being viewed looks so similar it could be mistaken as the same image. You can't own a 'style' true, but you can make that style your own. That's just me though.

All I'm saying is they look so similar that I noticed, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I do like the designs on most of the shirts, I do feel moved to buy them (good job guys) but that one stuck out to me. I'm not a troll by any means- stock art is fine and well and all, but when designing things like shirts or logos you have to do some research on who else might be using it- that 'stock' image might have been ripped off, someone might think you were trying to rip someone off, or better yet you might get your name or image stuck to something that you reaaaally don't want your name stuck to. This time it was headphones. Tomorrow it might be Neo Nazis, who knows?

EDIT: I don't shop at Hot Topic either. I found these guys at Best Buy and Circuit City a while back. They aren't exactly unknown, just somewhat new to the scene: http://www.skullcandy.com/shop/headphones-c-42.html?gclid=CLq7nqXEpZcCFQoHswodq22k_Q
 

PedroSteckecilo

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I'm gonna miss this thread now that its been resolved, it was all exciting and stuff. Plus I got to play Art Detective.
 

Furrama

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PedroSteckecilo said:
I'm gonna miss this thread now that its been resolved, it was all exciting and stuff. Plus I got to play Art Detective.
It's not really resolved though... I'm not sure if that WAS a stock image or if it was Skullcandy's logo that got ripped, either by the Escapist designers or whomever they get their stock from. I'm going to investigate further. I'll contact Skullcandy and see what they have to say.
 

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Virgil brought this thread to my attention, so I investigated and spoke to the artist who designed our shirt. She confirmed she was inspired by the Skull Candy logo, but had felt that there sufficient differences in the two designs that it wouldn't present an issue.

While it's ultimately a judgment call, we've decided that we need to err on the side of respect for a fellow business's logo. It's just the right thing to do. Accordingly, this shirt design has been removed from The Escapist storefront. If we are able to speak to Skull Candy and they see no issue, then we'll restore them to stock, but otherwise they'll be out of circulation.

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention for investigation.
 

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There is a way to find out for sure if the picture was stolen or not, and that's to overlay on an art program. Is anyone up to That specific challenge?


Blast - I was outposted on this by Archon by mere minutes! Minutes, man!
 

PedroSteckecilo

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Despite my tenacity in argument and investigation...

I really hope we didn't cost anyone their job.