Is this cheating?

[Ago Iterum]

It's soccer. Who cares.

Reported for stupid pointless posting.

It's the biggest sport in Europe, and here in England, it makes more money and news than... Anything else. So a lot of people care.

On topic, I don't think research like that is cheating, but I do think there's a time and a place to learn who places penalties where.

But being a United fan... YEAH, BEN FOSTER, YEAHH!

 

[maddawg IAJI]

By the rule book no.

By my own standards yes. I live in New England and almost everyone in my neigborhood remebers when the Patriots were caught video taping the Jets during a game. You sould not be allowed to view or film tapes during a game.

 

[pffh]

It's soccer. Who cares.

Reported for stupid pointless posting.

It's the biggest sport in Europe

But being a United fan... YEAH, BEN FOSTER, YEAHH!

Ahem, it's the biggest sport in the world, also YEAH GO MAN U!

 

[blackcherry]

Its no different to what players do off the pitch. Good managers between games tend to watch recordings of other matches played by those they will having future games against. To have the goalkeeper doing it in downtime is just seizing the initiative.

 

[FluxC]

No, it's not cheating. That's like asking "is revising before an exam cheating?".

It's a legitimate technique that helped us win the shootout.

 

[scape]

why is this even being discussed? Is it because he used a popular piece of equipment?
The spurs players had every opportunity not to be predictable.

 

[FinalGamer]

It's soccer. Who cares.

Nearly everyone outside of North America.

And I would not call it cheating since it does not give an unfair advantage to you over the other players, this is merely the football equivalent of grabbing a glance at your notes JUST before the exam.

 

[G1eet]

It's soccer. Who cares.

No no no, its FOOTBALL, it has people kicking (with feet) a ball (that is round) your "football" has people picking it up (with hands) a ball (that is an oval) wearing armour that can stop a bullet, its not even better then rugby, at least in rugby you have to pass back, adding a new level of tactics to it.

Well thats how i see it, your American habits are different from mine, but oh well, i still disagree

they also kick the ball. it's called punting there are also field goals. Names are arbitrary we don't call baseball, batball or basketball, handball. You wanna talk about illogical names; let's start with cricket.

I believe it was John Oliver who said "I can't say that word... the word you Americans call football... any time anyone from the UK says... that word... an Englishman dies."

OP; No, it's not cheating. Studying your opponent is a normal strategy

when i was little i thought it was football... till american society taught me a lesson.
*sigh*

 

[NeutralDrow]

That's actually commendably intelligent. I wouldn't say it was cheating.

 

[Gitsnik]

It's the biggest sport in Europe, and here in England, it makes more money and news than... Anything else.

Also:

Mass Genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer.

I'm a bit unsure on this one. Every ounce of me says "No that is not cheating" but something is niggling at me - something about watching the video right before the penalty shoot out. I'm all for knowing your enemy, and if it had been me I'd probably have been there with my own little movie making sure I was up to speed.

But (to use a bad analogy), imagine going to sit your HSC, SAT or whatever your highschool grad tests are, and half way through someone picks up their iPod, watches a quick movie of the teacher-of-linear-mathematics, then goes to answer the question. How would you respond.

Obviously that doesn't work because that sort of shit is banned explicitly in a test, but I can't help feeling a similar feeling towards the soccer player. Yes, get to know your enemy, yes study up before the match (and even at half), but right before having to deal with the "question" just doesn't sit right with me. Against the rules, no. Against the spirit, maybe.

What an intriguing line of thought.

 

[Jak The Great]

is this comperable to what the New England Patriots did when the were recording thier opponeents?

I disagree, NE was recording their opponents signals, indicating what play was happening, giving them an edge with knowledge on how to best counter their opponents movement. The opposing team was not awarded the same possibility to counter NE strategy.

This on the other hand is studying what an individual player tends to do. There is no signal indicating that he *will* make the same move. If the player had kicked against his normal habits, the goalkeeper probably wouldn't have been able to react in time because he would have been expecting him to move in his usual direction.

The keeper had an advantage only in what he *might* be able to predict the kicker could do based upon his past kicks. NE could adjust their strategy in real time, as they see the offense calling it.

 

[sighh]

By the rule book no.

By my own standards yes. I live in New England and almost everyone in my neigborhood remebers when the Patriots were caught video taping the Jets during a game. You sould not be allowed to view or film tapes during a game.

You're an idiot if you think teams don't watch film of games that they have played.

That whole fiasco was about NE filming the Jet's signals for plays, not about them filming the game. Why do you think they have film guys in the first place?

This isn't even close to cheating, he just reviewed information that is publically available - if you think about it the kicker could have switched things up and kicked it to the right for once; but he didn't.

 

[Nova Tendril]

It's soccer. Who cares.

Reported for stupid pointless posting.

It's the biggest sport in Europe, and here in England, it makes more money and news than... Anything else. So a lot of people care.

On topic, I don't think research like that is cheating, but I do think there's a time and a place to learn who places penalties where.

But being a United fan... YEAH, BEN FOSTER, YEAHH!

I already said I was joking.

 

[TLMG]

In my opinion, yes it is, it's just like taping the plays that enemy football teams use.

Football as in American football.

Teams are allowed to tape opposition plays in the NFL. It only becomes a problem when you tape their signals that designate which play they are running. Then you gain an unfair edge as you can set up your defence to counter this.

Knowing what the team will do is unethical. But using what they have done to guess what they might do isn't

 

[Dahemo]

If it's done during the interval I don't see anything wrong with it. What I would say is that teams will now encourage their players to identify their habits and alter them, back to a lottery again, this could have been a secret weapon if he'd stayed quiet...

 

[Grahav]

No. Someone already said "know thy enemy",

If the players are smart they will begin to randomize the goal spot.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

By the rule book no.

By my own standards yes. I live in New England and almost everyone in my neigborhood remebers when the Patriots were caught video taping the Jets during a game. You sould not be allowed to view or film tapes during a game.

You're an idiot if you think teams don't watch film of games that they have played.

That whole fiasco was about NE filming the Jet's signals for plays, not about them filming the game. Why do you think they have film guys in the first place?

This isn't even close to cheating, he just reviewed information that is publically available - if you think about it the kicker could have switched things up and kicked it to the right for once; but he didn't.

1)Calm down buddy now need to get worked up on the Internet.
2) If you read my post all the way through then you would have noticed that this is my idea.Also if you read the whole sentence instead of skimming until you saw something that made you angry you would have also noticed i said "They should not be allowed to view or film tapes DURING A GAME!.
3) The Patriots were #1 in the league that year so why would they film themselves.

 

[Break]

Wait... Why'd he only start watching videos of his opponent's plays during the game? Isn't "he usually shoots left" exactly the kind of information you give your goalie... Y'know, when you're sorting out your strategy?

 

[Nargleblarg]

Wow the Patriots are playing soccer now. oh wait

 

[sighh]

By the rule book no.

By my own standards yes. I live in New England and almost everyone in my neigborhood remebers when the Patriots were caught video taping the Jets during a game. You sould not be allowed to view or film tapes during a game.

You're an idiot if you think teams don't watch film of games that they have played.

That whole fiasco was about NE filming the Jet's signals for plays, not about them filming the game. Why do you think they have film guys in the first place?

This isn't even close to cheating, he just reviewed information that is publically available - if you think about it the kicker could have switched things up and kicked it to the right for once; but he didn't.

1)Calm down buddy now need to get worked up on the Internet.
2) If you read my post all the way through then you would have noticed that this is my idea.Also if you read the whole sentence instead of skimming until you saw something that made you angry you would have also noticed i said "They should not be allowed to view or film tapes DURING A GAME!.
3) The Patriots were #1 in the league that year so why would they film themselves.

1) I'm so angry I'm crying right now!
2) My eyes glazed over and ignored sould, oops.
2.5) My redemption for ignoring sould: How does one film a game (common practice!) without filming during the game (also common practice for uh... I hope I don't need to explain this)?
3) To learn from their mistakes? To learn from their successes? The same reasons they would be filming themselves if they were at the bottom of the league? They didn't win the superbowl, apparently they could have been doing something better.