Is Wii the Next Atari?

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ccesarano

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I know a lot of you are already prepped to disagree with me. Some of you may even link the Atari with the video game crash around 1982 (or was it '83?). However, I don't think it's too far off a concept, though it may not be understood immediately.

Everyone knows that the Wii is selling big right now. Even Nintendo didn't expect this level of success. The hardcore gaming audience is eating it up, the casual gaming audience is absorbing it, and even the mainstream non-gamers are grabbing onto it. A lot of people believe Nintendo figured out how to reach out to the audience no other company could get to latch onto gaming. So, it can only go up from here, right?

I don't think so. Yes, the Wii is selling a lot, but five or six years down the line, will the Wii2 sell just as well? What happened when people that already had an Atari were told to go out and buy another newer, better console? Did they buy another one, or did they just keep what they had?

Now, the two systems cannot be completely compared, as in the late 70's and early 80's it was unheard of to buy a device only to replace it years later. Even the eight track and cassette tapes didn't end the existence of the record player, as people still kept those and would still buy their albums on records. You only bought a new car when it broke down and couldn't be repaired anymore. So why would you get rid of a perfectly good video game console?

Nowadays, we're replacing things constantly. You're swapping out that four or five year old computer for a new one. That iPod? Old news. Just get the new one with color and video. Why keep that old Playstation 2 when you could get the Playstation 3, Wii or Xbox 360?

Nonetheless, just because the culture and manner of technology has changed doesn't mean the mindsets of the people have. The Nintendo Wii has a lot of shovelware on it right now, including a lot of companies trying to just slap on random party games and other such tripe just to make a quick buck. However, I don't think they're getting nearly as much return. Not many of them, at least. If you look at the attach rate of games to the systems, Wii is trailing behind even the PS3, which has the least amount of good (exclusive) titles out. Could we perhaps take from this that, while a large number of systems are selling, a smaller number of software sales are?

Unfortunately, I seem to be horrible at searching for sales numbers for the past few months, because all I can find is that Xbox 360 won for September (which everyone knows the reason why). Nonetheless, even if you check the monthly top GameFly lists, you'll often see Xbox 360 games and their respected versions topping those of other consoles, and it isn't even unusual to see the Nintendo DS beating out the Wii. When it comes to software, the Wii only really climbs to the top when a title like Metroid Prime 3 or Super Paper Mario comes out, which is once in a blue moon compared to the Xbox 360, which has taken the PS2's place as having the greatest number of titles this console generation (I'd argue it has the largest variety as well, but I know many would disagree).

I guess by now I should be getting to the point, which is a lot of the mainstream market that is boosting the success of the Wii so high isn't going to be going out to buy many titles. Chances are, they bought the Wii because of the spectacle of it. It's the latest new thing. It's a change,a difference. It's something great to turn on when you have friends around...but that's it. That is also precisely what the Atari was to the same sort of people. It was the latest new thing. It was a change, a difference. It was something great to turn on when you have friends around. They bought it because of the spectacle of it...and after that, if they kept it around, they just tossed it over to their kids. Some stuck with the systems to become some of our older hardcore gamers, but for the most part, the Atari was more of a passing cultural phase.

When the next iteration of the Wii comes around, which I wouldn't be surprised if it comes around in four or five years, I imagine that the majority of the mainstream market that grabbed the Wii is going to snub the Wii 2 for one simple reason: "I already enjoy my Wii enough, I don't see why I should get another one". The same reason they didn't move on past the Atari, and the very same reason they still have that old, black and white iPod, only replacing it with a new one once the old one breaks.

The saddest part is, a lot of hardcore gamers feel as if Nintendo is leaving them in the dust to favor this very same mainstream market. Personally, I feel that the focus on party and casual games may eventually die down, but then again, it may not. A lot of developers feel as if Nintendo made a mistake by keeping the Wii's power so weak, as it cannot handle the same physics, A.I. and other processing technologies that the Xbox 360 and PS3 can. In the end, the gamers go where the games are unless you're a die hard fan, which is why the Xbox did so poorly yet the Xbox 360 is kicking the crap out of the PS3. If the developers discover that they can't buy the mainstream appeal on the Wii and can't get the hardcore appeal either, they'll retreat back to Microsoft.

So, if the next Wii is snubbed by both hardcore and mainstream, then...well, then Nintendo's success was short lived, wasn't it?
 

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If Nintendo had to embrace the "non-mainstream" market to get a foothold in the console race, it's entirely justified. Not a whole lot of "mainstream" gamers were buying Gamecubes compared to Xboxes and PS2s, after all, and Sega went out of the console business entirely.

"Hardcore" gamers can vote with their wallets. In fact, most have already. Buy what you want. The Wii is still the cheapest game in town, after all.
 

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To be completely fair, it's near impossible to draw any comparisons between the Wii and Atari. You talk about the hardcore gamers and the mainstream market. Back in the days of Atari, there WAS no game market. Atari practically created the console game market. Nintendo and the Wii face completely different audiences than the Atari did. You even said it yourself that in the days of the Atari, buying a new console for the sake of an upgrade was unheard of, but it's done on the regular basis nowadays.

If you wanted to make an Atari/Wii comparison, I'd go with the radical innovation factor and how it affects the market. There were tons of consoles made to try and cash in on Atari's success much in the same way game consoles may very well change their games to leech off the Wii's success. Hell, the PS3 changed their controller midway through development to copy the Wii and pretty much add motion sensing technology in the Dual Shock controller.
 

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You're assumption is based heavily on the fact that the Wii2 will not be innovative. If those are the circumstances, Then I agree that the Wii2 won't sell as well as the current Wii, but I'm not convinced it would do as poorly as you assume it would.

Nintendo makes a profit on every Wii/DS they sell. Every month those consoles are at the sop of the sales lists (except of course for September, When Halomania set in) Nintendo consistently has at least 2 games in the top ten software sales list. They are currently the second richest company in Japan, behind Toyota. I'm sure that they are spending a ton on R&D right now. I'd say its fairly unlikely that their next console will just be a stronger version of the Wii. Nintendo has really started along a path, where they are going to have to consistently deliver innovation, or they lose over half of their market. It will be interesting to see how it goes, but I think only a fool would bet against Nintendo's continued success in the coming decade.
 

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I like this article... I appreciate that you take lessons from history. Most people feel "oh well but da GRAPFIX are BETTER NOW so its different", which obviously is stupid. If an entire industry crash isn't possible, I hope that at least one of the systems DIES and DIES HARD, to send shockwaves through the industry that will hopefully get people to question their motives and beliefs about what games are.
 

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Very hard to compare the game market then to it now thats out pacing hollywood itself, the nintendo model for gaming has always been make a system you can make a profit from, theys made more than enough moeny to fund a new system.


Will a crash come I dunno looking at media in general I would say not yet not with the spending they are doing in the media markets, the markets would have to implode on them selfs in order to fail there is no end to the console kiddies that will buy anything so if anything gaming really is here to stay, even with a hard core ressision(note:we are heading for lite/med one) could drop 30% off the US media/game markets is still not going to damage them to a world wide collapse.

The is solid enough to make it 5 years selling enough to get by on since its already made tis war chest future sells are "icing" thier cake is baked and they can have it too.

Sony on the other hand better wake up and start putting more moeny into their system the PS3 is doing dismally at barely 5milloin units world wide the dcking abotu with the system is the worst set of lies and backtracking I have seen since, it makes MS and their horrible build quality look good, speaking of the 360 they need to get the HDD unlocked and HD caching as a default for all games, drop the cores while they are at it the 360 is already showing its age in another 2 years things will only be worse with bigger games.

I see alot of fluff but not alot of substance in the industry even with Nin,like to see more detail and polish what they do not just the games..


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I do not see any of them dieing hard any time soon, either it will be a sega(MS) who dies with a whimper Sony could well implode on itself they are just arrogant enough to put the whole brand in the hands of a complete moron and dance around while he scuddles it to the ground,but even at the price the brand has life, even at the rediclous backtracking noobs wont care abotu the details they will eat up and figure it out later, by then they have made enough profit to get more noobs to come in.

Both Sony or MS could give up at any time but sony is about the only one to be in total fail mode, at least MS has stopped limping kinda from all the mistakes....

Nin can not fail unless they pull a sony, a 699$ console in 013/014 with wii style controls, the power of a PS3 and 360 combined HDVD/BR player combo, no BWC (thats for the stand alone minicube companion system thats only 149$ it plays DS,GBA,GC and WII games and can hook directly into your main nin unit) controllers of coarse are not sold with the system neither are the games you get them in bundles for 899, Nin can easily fail it depends on how much effort they put into foolishness.

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The WII 2 if nin goes i that direction will do as well as the GC or maybe a bit better, if they up user customization and let users use any pad for any game all the better, refine it more and via a add on play DS,GBA,GC games I want to be able to play all this on 1 unit, refine the controls ,add more options, reduce VC prices the WII2 will be a staple console if it can match the others in basic power, if they try and go with a cheap system and ride the wiis coat tails they will not do well.

For me options is everything the 360 lack BWC I went with a Xbox then when I had the moeny the ahrdware failures turned me off of it,mabye in a few months it wont be so bad,the PS3 is trying to inbreed with itself I will put it off another year, the wii is the best of the lot only because you are not retreicted to crappy cookie cutter setups that might leave out left/right swapping, and to think it would be a godly system if they just let you remap and refine sensitivity on any game....
 

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I want to just say that I'm not, in any way, predicting another video game crash. Far from it, in fact, as I think a lot of developers have finally realized they need to do games right. I own about fourteen games for my Xbox 360, and I've never owned so many where I've had no interest in getting rid of one (though I have gotten rid of Quake 4 and Lost Planet, as I couldn't see myself replaying those games despite enjoying them). There are several upcoming games that I greatly look forward to. In comparison to the PS2, Xbox and GameCube generation, this one feels like a God send. There haven't been so many titles coming out so close to each other that have had me excited, and plenty of other consumers feel the same.

In the end, I think, no matter what, Nintendo and Microsoft are moving on from this console generation to the next. Sony...not so sure. Where the danger lies, in my opinion, is how long the Xbox 360 is out. To me, I could keep my Xbox 360 for ten years and I bet I'd be happy with it. I don't want to replace it five years down the line because, honestly, I don't think another console iteration would be enough of an improvement. The graphics will look slightly more realistic, the physics will be slightly better, and the A.I. will barely improve. However, it won't be enough to the point that I feel a new console is needed.

The Wii, on the other hand...well, given how some of the games control, I imagine a new console that simply works better five years down the line wouldn't be too bad. Also...

LoompaOompa said:
You're assumption is based heavily on the fact that the Wii2 will not be innovative.
This is very true. Nintendo will definitely have to make the next Wii somehow very different. The question is, will it be different enough?

Remember, we already know that plenty of the hardcore and casual gaming market will buy the next Wii no matter what. Of course, if Nintendo doesn't get third parties to start paying more attention to the hardcore audience, then plenty of hard gamers are going to say "sorry Nintendo, but Microsoft delivered more" and walk off. Hell, even I'm not sure if I'll be buying the next Nintendo system as I'm much, MUCH more satisfied with my Xbox 360. So I think Nintendo is at a very risky spot, because if the next Wii is not different ENOUGH than the current system, then the mainstream market isn't going to bother. Once again, the Wii's introduction of motion sensing is an incredibly new spectacle, but will the next innovation be equally as new? Even if it is, will it convince people that they already want to replace their old system?

Yes, replacing your console is a regular thing....but for hardcore and some casual gamers only. I theorize that the mainstream market, the guys that are pushing Nintendo's success so much farther than Microsoft's and Sony's, won't really care to replace their system in a few years.
 
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Unfortunately I completely disagree.
You are comparing a little stick-with-a-button controller to something that is insanly different. The Gaming industry rips off every good idea another company has, such as Motion sensing for the wii, which was immediatly ripped off onto Sonys "Playstation 3"; and Wireless Controller, with was ripped off onto the X-box 360. The Main reason almost everybody chooses M$ or $ony, is because they mainly have M-rated videogames, meaning that everybody who isn't caught up in this "fad" is given the "Cold shoulder." Meanwhile, if you have played a wii, you know it does in fact have games for everybody, another area where most gamers go wrong with nintendo is how they say that they have games for everyone. That doesn't mean though that all they have is E-rated games, it means that they have a few games for the wee tikes while all the other games are for pretty much anybody who enjoys a genre. also With Nintendo, they don't rip themselves off; don't believe me? Heres a time line.
PS1 - PS2 - PS3 -PS4?
Xbox - Xbox 360 - Xbox ???
N64 - Gamecube - Wii - wii2? How does that make any bloody sense?
Here is my point for hardware.
Ps2 was an upgraded Ps1, no new features added.(I used to own a PS1 and PS2 btw)
Ps3 was a PS2 only ripped off every other bloody idea that everyone else had. Still uses the 2nd PS1 controller only with stolen features.
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Xbox360 tried to be somewhat original. apart from the wireless controller and the 1000000s of consoles that are already broken from the moment you buy it, I don't have any problems with its console.
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N64 new analog stick, new controller, and oh whats this? original games! all I see in stores now (PS3 and 360 sections) is Shooters Shooters and more shooters, M M and another rated M.
Take Halo for example, First person shooter. (Abouit to make a reference to Zero Punctuations Halo 3 review) But seriously FPS have been done before and better.

In conclusion, Short answer no the wii is nothing close to atari.
Long Answer no, and you sound like an angry fan of whatever system you are a fan of/ anti nintendo person.
 

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Ichimoruren said:
Unfortunately I completely disagree.
You are comparing a little stick-with-a-button controller to something that is insanly different. The Gaming industry rips off every good idea another company has, such as Motion sensing for the wii, which was immediatly ripped off onto Sonys "Playstation 3"; and Wireless Controller, with was ripped off onto the X-box 360. The Main reason almost everybody chooses M$ or $ony, is because they mainly have M-rated videogames, meaning that everybody who isn't caught up in this "fad" is given the "Cold shoulder." Meanwhile, if you have played a wii, you know it does in fact have games for everybody, another area where most gamers go wrong with nintendo is how they say that they have games for everyone. That doesn't mean though that all they have is E-rated games, it means that they have a few games for the wee tikes while all the other games are for pretty much anybody who enjoys a genre. also With Nintendo, they don't rip themselves off; don't believe me? Heres a time line.
PS1 - PS2 - PS3 -PS4?
Xbox - Xbox 360 - Xbox ???
N64 - Gamecube - Wii - wii2? How does that make any bloody sense?
Here is my point for hardware.
Ps2 was an upgraded Ps1, no new features added.(I used to own a PS1 and PS2 btw)
Ps3 was a PS2 only ripped off every other bloody idea that everyone else had. Still uses the 2nd PS1 controller only with stolen features.
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Xbox360 tried to be somewhat original. apart from the wireless controller and the 1000000s of consoles that are already broken from the moment you buy it, I don't have any problems with its console.
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N64 new analog stick, new controller, and oh whats this? original games! all I see in stores now (PS3 and 360 sections) is Shooters Shooters and more shooters, M M and another rated M.
Take Halo for example, First person shooter. (Abouit to make a reference to Zero Punctuations Halo 3 review) But seriously FPS have been done before and better.

In conclusion, Short answer no the wii is nothing close to atari.
Long Answer no, and you sound like an angry fan of whatever system you are a fan of/ anti nintendo person.
I agree with you, in a sense. The Wii is lacking certain things, as well as certain features. I don't have any problems with my Xbox 360. The Playstation 3 has not much exclusive games. The Playstation 3 is more a Blu-Ray Player, rather than a video game console. If it was a true video game console, then there would be more exclusive games. So far, the Xbox 360 is the king of this current-gen (Xbox 360 vs. PS3 vs. Wii) console war, as well as the king of these current-gen consoles, but that could change, depending on if Sony is going to come up with better strategy, and that goes the same for Nintendo.
 

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Ps2 was an upgraded Ps1, no new features added.(I used to own a PS1 and PS2 btw)
That's quite a lot to swallow, as you completely disregard DVD movie playback, one of the big selling points. You also ignore the fact that the system had online capability, though it went ignored as Sony never saw the potential for it.

Ps3 was a PS2
This throws all of your credibility out the window. The PS3 has a completely different architecture than the PS2, and not just because of the Cell processor (though that's a big reason why). Do you even know what's inside of your Wii? The same thing that was inside of your GameCube, only slightly more powerful. The Playstation 3, internally, is a completely different beast than the Playstation 2, hence the massive amounts of backwards compatibility issues when the PS3 first launched (which is precisely what Microsoft tried to avoid with their B.C. system) and the continuing issues that haven't been completely resolved.

I don't think you truly got the idea of what I said. It's not necessarily the consoles themselves, but the mindset of the market. Say I'm an anti-Nintendo guy if you will, but the fact of the matter is, the way I see it, you completely missed my point.
 

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ccesarano said:
Everyone knows that the Wii is selling big right now. Even Nintendo didn't expect this level of success. The hardcore gaming audience is eating it up, the casual gaming audience is absorbing it, and even the mainstream non-gamers are grabbing onto it. A lot of people believe Nintendo figured out how to reach out to the audience no other company could get to latch onto gaming. So, it can only go up from here, right?

I don't think so. Yes, the Wii is selling a lot, but five or six years down the line, will the Wii2 sell just as well? What happened when people that already had an Atari were told to go out and buy another newer, better console? Did they buy another one, or did they just keep what they had?
That's the point I had in another thread.
For Nintendo to sell more, and hope to see a Wii2 and reach even more people, I believe the non-gamers who got into games would have to turn into casual gamers, because the step is much lower between these two ensembles, than between casual and hardcore groups, which is too stiff.

But that's exactly what strikes me. While there are differences between the Atari and the Wii, and while Atari's games had more to do with Live Arcade than Wii Sports, both seemed to attract people who didn't seem that concerned by games that much. More like they bought one, because it was either a good time to do so, just to try, just to have one because everybody else does, or because you had to have one, at least, not to look too old fashioned.

But this doesn't make these people long term video game consumers. It makes them curious, at best, buying a new product more like they're looking at an oddity.
But the freshness will fade out, because it's just a trend.

It's like a grotesque monster in a zoo, or something. Bearded woman.

Like I said elsewhere, the stuff that supports the Wii is still pretty much solid hardcore games. Mario. Zelda. Metroid. All Nintendo. Remove Nintendo out of the equation and you'll see just how much third party support the console really gets.
All the sales rates attached to Wario ware and Wii Sports and Play are not representative of the correct sales. 90% of the time, they're packed with the console.

I could buy a gameboy for my mother, with Tetris on it, the only game she's ever been interested in, but I could never have her buy any other game. Or even play one. She's not even interested in the DS version, with all the new gizmos Nintendo felt necessary to add.
Now, she seems to have a remote passing interest in Kawashiryugawama san's pompous Grow-a-Brain stuff, but that's all. After a thousand TV ads, she told us once, during supper (up to the point you wonder what you are really eating), that she'd like to have that. Because, huh, the other blonde chick plays it.
The baiting's working.
But it's the result of an insane amount of advertising, just for one single non-game.

That's pretty much a non-achievement.

ccesarano said:
Unfortunately, I seem to be horrible at searching for sales numbers for the past few months
Have you tried vgchartz? Stupid google says it's some spyware stuff, but don't listen.
It has plenty of neat info on sales.
 
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ccesarano said:
Ps2 was an upgraded Ps1, no new features added.(I used to own a PS1 and PS2 btw)
That's quite a lot to swallow, as you completely disregard DVD movie playback, one of the big selling points. You also ignore the fact that the system had online capability, though it went ignored as Sony never saw the potential for it.

Ps3 was a PS2
This throws all of your credibility out the window. The PS3 has a completely different architecture than the PS2, and not just because of the Cell processor (though that's a big reason why). Do you even know what's inside of your Wii? The same thing that was inside of your GameCube, only slightly more powerful. The Playstation 3, internally, is a completely different beast than the Playstation 2, hence the massive amounts of backwards compatibility issues when the PS3 first launched (which is precisely what Microsoft tried to avoid with their B.C. system) and the continuing issues that haven't been completely resolved.

I don't think you truly got the idea of what I said. It's not necessarily the consoles themselves, but the mindset of the market. Say I'm an anti-Nintendo guy if you will, but the fact of the matter is, the way I see it, you completely missed my point.
I noticed how you only decided to use part of each of my statements.

You said that I said that A ps3 is exactly the same as a ps2. I did not say that.
I said that it was basicly a PS2 with stolen features. So allow me to rephrase everything I have said.

The PS3 is basically a Ps2 with added features and some stolen ones. Does that please you?

I apologize to the fact that I forgot to mention the Dvd playback, but features like that aren't relavent anymore, as everybody has a DVD player now. but The Controller was left the same.
Btw The wii console sales are actually in first, as of the Mid-October. This is rather surprising as Halo 3 came out in September, but the wii is just that popular. If you don't believe me, which I'm sure you don't then here is the 7th Generation sales.

Wii 12.42Million
360 11.84Million
PS3 05.07Million
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DS 51.91Million
PSP 24.69Million
Still don't believe me? I will give you the website with this data on it, so perhaps you can see that this argument has been previously misinformed on both of our ends. http://www.vgchartz.com/
 

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LoompaOompa said:
Nintendo makes a profit on every Wii/DS they sell. Every month those consoles are at the sop of the sales lists (except of course for September, When Halomania set in) Nintendo consistently has at least 2 games in the top ten software sales list.
The Wii and DS have crucial differences. Notably in terms of competition. Besides, Nintendo has been the king of handheld for such a long time, it's rotting the dice.
Take the games on the Wii only. Chances could be that the Wii ones which sell a lot are still the same, and probably since quite some time now.
Not saying it's making circles, but the catalogue is hardly getting new entries that reshuffle the whole deck every two months either, right?

And let's not get started on how Nintendo's console make a profit, when you consider the absurd price you pay for what it is, essentially.

They are currently the second richest company in Japan, behind Toyota. I'm sure that they are spending a ton on R&D right now. I'd say its fairly unlikely that their next console will just be a stronger version of the Wii. Nintendo has really started along a path, where they are going to have to consistently deliver innovation, or they lose over half of their market. It will be interesting to see how it goes, but I think only a fool would bet against Nintendo's continued success in the coming decade.
Besides a necessary increase in lighting, texturing, AI and physics, I think Nintendo would really put the emphasis on network, on every single level. I'm still surprised that Nintendo has not started to eat the market of japanese arcade machines that much, considering how thriving and mainstream it is.
The negative side effect of such a bold move would be people saturating of Nintendo.


Ichimoruren said:
Unfortunately I completely disagree.
You are comparing a little stick-with-a-button controller to something that is insanly different. The Gaming industry rips off every good idea another company has, such as Motion sensing for the wii, which was immediatly ripped off onto Sonys "Playstation 3"; and Wireless Controller, with was ripped off onto the X-box 360.
Well, the Wii's controllers also existed on the Dreamcast.
Essentially, though the controllers between the Atari and the Wii are different, in essence, they're not. Nintendo has been trying to follow the idea of "simpler controls, more fun".
Shaking a plastic thing, with one main button on it, can be done by anybody.
One button and a stick, that's the same deal. There's been an evolution, but the moto is still the same. Though it was not that intentional, decades ago.
 

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Btw The wii console sales are actually in first, as of the Mid-October
Totally not the point of what I'm saying, once again showing how you completely miss the idea. Everyone knows the Wii is ahead in hardware sales. Look back at what I wrote and think about what I said when it comes to software.

Try and put a little bit of psychology into those numbers instead of taking it at face value.
 

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ccesarano said:
Btw The wii console sales are actually in first, as of the Mid-October
Totally not the point of what I'm saying, once again showing how you completely miss the idea. Everyone knows the Wii is ahead in hardware sales. Look back at what I wrote and think about what I said when it comes to software.

Try and put a little bit of psychology into those numbers instead of taking it at face value.
I think the most important thing to see here is that the Wii HAS third party software. I don't know what Nintendo keeps doing, but it seems that every generation after the SNES has had it's third party support abandon it, games becoming non-exclusive and supposedly multi-platform games always missing the system (Especially with Gamecube, geez). At least developers are making attempts with the Wii, albeit somewhat subpar attempts so far.
 

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I have had this exact same thought kicking around in my head for a while. Yes, the Wii, in terms of the type of popularity it has garnered, is very comparable to Atari of yesteryear. The only difference being back then, video gaming was brand new, now there are millions of "gamers"... Ultimately, said "gamers" will probably end up keeping the platform alive for at least this console generation. Who knows whats going to happen to Nintendo after this gen... If they decide to keep the same philosophy they have now, I would guess they'll have to do something even more revolutionary than the Wii...
 

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Lance Icarus said:
ccesarano said:
Btw The wii console sales are actually in first, as of the Mid-October
Totally not the point of what I'm saying, once again showing how you completely miss the idea. Everyone knows the Wii is ahead in hardware sales. Look back at what I wrote and think about what I said when it comes to software.

Try and put a little bit of psychology into those numbers instead of taking it at face value.
I think the most important thing to see here is that the Wii HAS third party software. I don't know what Nintendo keeps doing, but it seems that every generation after the SNES has had it's third party support abandon it, games becoming non-exclusive and supposedly multi-platform games always missing the system (Especially with Gamecube, geez). At least developers are making attempts with the Wii, albeit somewhat subpar attempts so far.
If most of these attempts are t3h suck, I don't think we could say it's a "support". :)
 

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Ichimoruren
"The PS3 is basically a Ps2 with added features and some stolen ones. Does that please you?"
I love you, this is my view on the PS3,its basically a PS2 and a half its got BR thats all well and fine but its not really value added with the games in the state they are, it has a open media and HDD setup which is the best thing abotu it, the hardware was overstated and now they are backtracking feature because they refuse to rebuild the brand and spend money on it, don't get me wrong the 360 is as much of a joke with the hardware issues basicly both the PS3 and 360 are shades of costly with a whole 5 mediocre game diffrance, when the prices halve I might buy in for now its a loss.

the WII is good but it lacks options because it lacks button mapping(anygame,any pad),control fine tuning and such its about 100 more than what I am willing to pay for it.
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Anyone who dismiss the WII sales wise fails to udnerstand its sold more consoles in a year than the 360 has in 3, they win, even if sells stop tomorrow, they still have won and can start a new system at anytime.

the 360 and PS3 need ahell of alot of polish to get ready for the next 5 years the WII really dose not.
 

Lex Darko

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It seems a few have missed the real points of this thread. The discussion here isn't just about the consoles themselves but the intended audiences of these consoles and their attitudes towards the world of gaming as a consumer.

As such nintendo is marketing to the most ambivalent consumers when it comes to gaming. I jumped ship from caring about nintendo and what happens to them when I saw what they were doing with the gamecube. I realized then that I was growing older but nintendo wasn't, my taste were maturing and their's were remaining the same. At 15 I decided I was done with nintendo and hadn't bought a product of theirs since.

Then the wii came out and when I first heard the name I didn't laugh. I actually felt sad. I thought after the disaster that was the gamecube they must realize their core audience isn't full of 5 year olds anymore.

I didn't want a wii and didn't want one within 50ft of my living space, but my mother..., need I finish this sentence?

So now we have one it's been in our house for all of 5 days. I set it up the first hour it arrived I put it in the family room (where it will server as part of my meticulous plans to keep our Thanksgiving relatives away from my I mean the "house's" primary media center). In the 5 days it's been here it's done nothing but collect dust. My mother hasn't looked twice at it which is sad because she works from home.

If nintendo wants to keep marketing to people like my mother that's their prerogative and it's great for the short term. But like I've been saying in just about any post on this site that talks about this dull device, non gamers don't spend hundreds of dollars in games or gaming a year and most probably never will.
 

ccesarano

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I'm not going to argue the "stolen features" part at all. Hell, the ethernet capability of the PS2 was stolen from Sega, really, hence why Sony didn't do much with it. However, to say that, internally, the Playstation 3 is the same thing as a PS2? That's just plain ignorance.

And Zippy, the Xbox 360's hardware problems aren't as bad as you think. It amazes me how quickly everyone jumps onto Microsoft's back, and yet no one seems to remember how horribly the PS2's were constantly broken. Maybe I only know because I worked at a GameStop at that time, but Christ.

In any case, again, you guys are arguing your personal opinion, not the actual point I'm getting at. I suggest you go back and reread without your bias interfering, otherwise you'll never understand the point.