Is youtube (and/or the internet) basically atheist land?
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I watched the video and it is propaganda. He clearly states that being a christian is better. I was a catholic from my christening till high school when I realised it is all false. This Priest is telling people that if you aren't a christian you can't be happy? I'm happier knowing that my life is my own and not part of some plan of a being that no one has seen. Also, Jesus was a partying drunkard. Thats all he did. The birth stories are false. The bible is not something to live by because it preaches racism and homophobia.
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Please I wrote all this. take the time to read this.
bare with me here but my main proof for the existence of god is the existence of Jesus. This is proven in.
A) Roman records meticulously kept and replicated undeniably claim that a Jew named Jesus was executed for rebellion against the roman empire while another prisoner named (I hope I spell this right) Barabus was released form execution (Just the way it goes in the bible) and Jesus was executed in his place.
B) The four gospels in the bible can all be traced to their origin (that's the reason they were put in the bible) at the hands of the men that rote them that were all witnesses to the events that happened to Jesus.
C) The five hundred people who witnessed Jesus resurrection all continued to spread there beliefs despite persecution and exile despite all reasons to the contrary.
D) Roman centurions who were recorded in the bible were all recorded in roman records of soldiers.
E) Thousands of different gospels and "First hand accounts" (many of which are fake) all record very much the same thing about Jesus. And while many of these are fake the sheer number of them all from roughly the same period as each other points towards the existence of Jesus.
Okay Jesus aside for a second On the proof of god alone I only have one point that comes to mind:
A man named Saul who was a pharisee and murderer of Christians on the prompting of a voice from heaven changed his beliefs to following Christianity despite his luxurious life style being taken from him. despite being persecuted where ever he went and eventually dying of execution he continued to preach about Jesus until he died.
another thing is that every single book in the New testament of the Bible can be traced to their origin and all point to the existence of god.
I could continue for ages but here is my final point:
D.N.A is the single mos complicated thing in existence. If you were to write about a single strand of D.N.A. the amount of books you would have to write to actually record the D.N.A would be a stack of books that goes to the moon and back..... FIVE TIMES. Evolution would have me believe that this ridiculous complexity formed spontaneously by chance. Have you ever seen someone throw all the items needed to make a house in one place and all the pieces land in such a way that they form a house. Well for D.N.A. to form like that would be that house example happening thousands upon thousands of times..... In the same place.
Look I'm not your typical christian in that i can say all that off the top of my head. So let me blow your mind when I say I found it a bigger leap of faith to believe Atheism than I found it to believe Christianity. For me to become a christian was not a leap of faith but a logical process.
I also believe christian morals and beliefs adequately explain all arguments like "If god exists why is there suffering" or "Why isn't there one unifying religion".
Here is a serious suggestion. no actually make that two.
One: read the bible. It can change your life.
two: If you really need evidence in the existent of god go to creation ministries which is a website (and magazine) run by a group of christian PHD scientists that spend all day and all night arguing for the existence of god.
Please I wrote all this take the time to read it.[/quote]
Wow, this is like a gold mine...
1. Jesus was a real man that was executed, but there were hundreds of other people that were executed for the claim of being the messiah.
2. The four gospels weren't the only gospels written and they were written about 50-70 years after the death of Jesus...Wow people have a good memory considering the ones that wrote it were children or weren't even born when he was crucified.
3. People spread Jesus word because they thought they were going to Heaven in the next few days, which never happened. They lived as drunkards for years before realising he ain't coming.
4. That doesn't mean anything. Pilot was a real person doesn't mean God is.
5. The four gospels all spout different things. 2 have a birth story, 2 don't. 2 support racism and 2 don't. THE GOSPELS WERE WRITTEN SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD FOLLOW THEM! Luke wrote his gospel so that Jesus would be a reflection of Moses. John wrote his gospel with 7 miracles, 7 being a special number to the Jewish community. There are 12 disciples like the 12 tribes...Come on, its propaganda. They used literary tactics to make people believe in Jesus. In one gospel those on the crosses mocked Jesus, in another one asks for forgiveness.
You can't believe in evolution but you can believe that an awesome being made humans, knowing everything we would do, just to end up not believing in it and destroying a planet it created...Wow, I may not know God's plan, but he doesn't seem too smart right about now.
Oh yeah, God doesn't exist. God is always described as, "All knowing", "All powerful", "All Loving"...If he is all knowing he knew we would stop believing (yes, religion is a dying breed). If he was all loving he would save us from our torment, this world is going to hell. But maybe he isn't all powerful? Thats why he doesn't save us...But then how did he make us if he isn't all powerful? So he must not be all loving...So you believe in a god that doesn't care what happens to you.
Cover it up however you want. A Christians worst enemy is a Christian gone Atheist.
Please I wrote all this. take the time to read this.
bare with me here but my main proof for the existence of god is the existence of Jesus. This is proven in.
A) Roman records meticulously kept and replicated undeniably claim that a Jew named Jesus was executed for rebellion against the roman empire while another prisoner named (I hope I spell this right) Barabus was released form execution (Just the way it goes in the bible) and Jesus was executed in his place.
B) The four gospels in the bible can all be traced to their origin (that's the reason they were put in the bible) at the hands of the men that rote them that were all witnesses to the events that happened to Jesus.
C) The five hundred people who witnessed Jesus resurrection all continued to spread there beliefs despite persecution and exile despite all reasons to the contrary.
D) Roman centurions who were recorded in the bible were all recorded in roman records of soldiers.
E) Thousands of different gospels and "First hand accounts" (many of which are fake) all record very much the same thing about Jesus. And while many of these are fake the sheer number of them all from roughly the same period as each other points towards the existence of Jesus.
Okay Jesus aside for a second On the proof of god alone I only have one point that comes to mind:
A man named Saul who was a pharisee and murderer of Christians on the prompting of a voice from heaven changed his beliefs to following Christianity despite his luxurious life style being taken from him. despite being persecuted where ever he went and eventually dying of execution he continued to preach about Jesus until he died.
another thing is that every single book in the New testament of the Bible can be traced to their origin and all point to the existence of god.
I could continue for ages but here is my final point:
D.N.A is the single mos complicated thing in existence. If you were to write about a single strand of D.N.A. the amount of books you would have to write to actually record the D.N.A would be a stack of books that goes to the moon and back..... FIVE TIMES. Evolution would have me believe that this ridiculous complexity formed spontaneously by chance. Have you ever seen someone throw all the items needed to make a house in one place and all the pieces land in such a way that they form a house. Well for D.N.A. to form like that would be that house example happening thousands upon thousands of times..... In the same place.
Look I'm not your typical christian in that i can say all that off the top of my head. So let me blow your mind when I say I found it a bigger leap of faith to believe Atheism than I found it to believe Christianity. For me to become a christian was not a leap of faith but a logical process.
I also believe christian morals and beliefs adequately explain all arguments like "If god exists why is there suffering" or "Why isn't there one unifying religion".
Here is a serious suggestion. no actually make that two.
One: read the bible. It can change your life.
two: If you really need evidence in the existent of god go to creation ministries which is a website (and magazine) run by a group of christian PHD scientists that spend all day and all night arguing for the existence of god.
Please I wrote all this take the time to read it.[/quote]
Wow, this is like a gold mine...
1. Jesus was a real man that was executed, but there were hundreds of other people that were executed for the claim of being the messiah.
2. The four gospels weren't the only gospels written and they were written about 50-70 years after the death of Jesus...Wow people have a good memory considering the ones that wrote it were children or weren't even born when he was crucified.
3. People spread Jesus word because they thought they were going to Heaven in the next few days, which never happened. They lived as drunkards for years before realising he ain't coming.
4. That doesn't mean anything. Pilot was a real person doesn't mean God is.
5. The four gospels all spout different things. 2 have a birth story, 2 don't. 2 support racism and 2 don't. THE GOSPELS WERE WRITTEN SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD FOLLOW THEM! Luke wrote his gospel so that Jesus would be a reflection of Moses. John wrote his gospel with 7 miracles, 7 being a special number to the Jewish community. There are 12 disciples like the 12 tribes...Come on, its propaganda. They used literary tactics to make people believe in Jesus. In one gospel those on the crosses mocked Jesus, in another one asks for forgiveness.
You can't believe in evolution but you can believe that an awesome being made humans, knowing everything we would do, just to end up not believing in it and destroying a planet it created...Wow, I may not know God's plan, but he doesn't seem too smart right about now.
Oh yeah, God doesn't exist. God is always described as, "All knowing", "All powerful", "All Loving"...If he is all knowing he knew we would stop believing (yes, religion is a dying breed). If he was all loving he would save us from our torment, this world is going to hell. But maybe he isn't all powerful? Thats why he doesn't save us...But then how did he make us if he isn't all powerful? So he must not be all loving...So you believe in a god that doesn't care what happens to you.
Cover it up however you want. A Christians worst enemy is a Christian gone Atheist.
not to be a contrarian... but that means we shouldn't live by the rules ofRem45 said:
"don't kill people"
"don't steal"
"don't lie about something and blame it on someone else"
or the universal
"treat others the way you want to be treated"
the bible isn't all bad, but if you want to look at only the bad then go ahead and be like that. not trying to fight for the bible, but making blanket claims like "the bible... preaches racism and homophobia" is the same kind of hate-mongering that the WBC and FOX News get off on.
Actually thats something that I feel most people get wrong. Being a Christian isn't about being perfect, it's about being imperfect. No one can live up to being like Christ, thats impossible (otherwise why would we need him) but the idea is that you are imperfect and strive to do better. People get too caught up on sins and forget that the whole being a Christian thing is FORGIVING those sins. But then again, I haven't been to church in two years and I never read my Bible. I'm probably not the best person to give advice on being a Christian, lol.Azaraxzealot said:
But to answer the question, it's the internet. Hate is the thing. Look at IMDB. Even the best movies have boards full of trolls talking about how terrible a recent movie is, or how people are stupid for liking it. Everyone has an opinion, and usually those that believe theirs is correct are the ones vocalizing theirs the loudest.
So accepting god into our lives is like being stabed in both ends with a fork and electrocuted? just kiddingAzaraxzealot said:
i think alot of hatred towards religion is caused by people like venomfangx and that banana guy posting videos that to me are just utterly stupid and uneducated. like the banana guy, not sure of his name, but he made videos about how god is so great and proof of his greatness is the banana, how it perfectly fits into a persons hand. Bananas didnt start like this, bananas have been grown over many years to be long and yellow and seedless. they used to be small i guess oval shaped things with big seeds.
I think its these sort of people who make videos that are just so stupid and easily disproved that fuel the hatred for religion, and this hatred spills over into other less stupid religious videos.
personally i dont care if you believe in god. But half the stuff in the bible i just dont think should be taken as fact like some people and then post videos on the internet about these facts.
Couple of things:Tipsy Giant said:
One your interrupting I was talking to some one else.
Two if you want to have a discussion keep it civil. All this swearing and name calling does you no credit.
three: I did mention the fact that people saw him die then three days later saw him alive (despite having been buried for three days) all the people told the same story and were willing to die for that story despite having nothing to gain. That's not conjecture and hearsay.
Four: You use one blanket statements for all my arguments. If you were to dispute them individually I could respect that. But instead I can sum you up here:
The things you say are stupid. I blame you for the world being shit. If you were all like me there wouldn't be any problems.
Seriously take the time to create a proper respectable response.
Also sorry if it took me a while to respond but haven't been online in a few days.
Also again. "I shit on your facts sir"..... I don;t understand are my facts inferior to yours? Does that statement mean anything or were you just trying to make me angry?
OK, number one, does it matter?y1fella said:
Two, I must admit I do get worked up when people do ....
Three, Please don't use the word FACT when it is not connected to a ACTUAL FACT, this is what makes science more reliable than faith, people simply saying they saw something doesn't mean it's true, if 50 people told you they were abducted by aliens, is that now a fact?
Four, I used a blanket statement as I believe the same problem occurs with all your statements, you believe that the word fact relates to something that can't be proven otherwise, whereas FACT is when it is proven.
The things you say are not accurate. I blame the world being shit somewhat on religious people who shun science. If the world were less easily fooled there would be less problems.
by I SHIT on your FACTS I was referencing your use of the word fact being inaccurate and therefor infuriating to a man of science.
Look I get this all the time, religious people claiming that I think "If you were all like me there wouldn't be any problems. " when in actuality it's religious people who match that statement, trying to convert people to their mindless cause.
LOOK I have no problem discussing the idea of a creator and I have no problem with people living by a moral code (I think jesus is a great role model, helping the poor and sick without thought for himself) what I have a problem with is people telling me they know the answer to the biggest question in the universe when no one on earth does, when stephan hawking tells me that jesus was superman and his dad is the creator of all things, i'll buckle, but when it's believed by a tiny minority of scientists i'll keep calling it BULLSHIT
Hi. me again. I'll get to your argument later and we can have a discussion then but I'm busy right now. Sorry..... I'll probably be busy till Monday so just don't empty your mailbox. If you want to hold this discussion fine we'll do it later if not then say so and come Monday I'll know either way.Tipsy Giant said:
Thanks for your understanding. Also I live in Australia so your Monday is probably my Sunday so I think my Monday is your Tuesday.
Wow. Thanks, OP! I am SO glad that I clicked through to that video! I think that is the best metaphor I've ever heard for convincing children to become Christians. I think I'll tell it to my friends like this: "Becoming a Christian is like having a creepy sweater-wearing old guy who calls himself 'Grandpa John' put your pickle in a sling, shove two forks into it and electrocute it until it glows and smokes." Or possibly, "Becoming a Christian is like letting an old guy smoke your pickle." Sweet!
On a slightly more serious note, no, there's lots of Christians on the internet. Not all of them are always on their best behavior at all times, though.
On a slightly more serious note, no, there's lots of Christians on the internet. Not all of them are always on their best behavior at all times, though.
It isn't harmless though. People aren't hating it because they're anti-religion, they're hating it because it's a bad video. Using metaphors and irrelevant science experiments to try and trick impressionable children into following a religion is in my opinion highly immoral. There are ways to teach religion properly and ethically, but this isn't one of them.Azaraxzealot said:
Let's pretend for an instance that Christianity never existed. Then one day someone started saying that they believed in a creation story similar to that found in the bible, or that there was a great flood, or that if you have faith you can drink all manner of poisons and live. That person would be seen as crazy and very likely could be locked away in a mental institute. Having people make fun of them online should be the least of their concerns.Azaraxzealot said:
Just because Christianity has been around for a long, long time, doesn't mean it deserves any respect. The same is true if you believe in astrology, crystal therapy, homeopathy, or think Harry Potter or Samwise Gamgee or Professor Xavier are real people.
Sometimes sayings, "You're an idiot." is the only honest thing you can say, especially when they claim to believe in something so easily disproven. For instance, the Bible says that if two people of faith pray, anything they ask for will be granted. This is clearly wrong. If this were true, no Christian would ever need to go to a doctor. The Bible says the sun is carried on a chariot driven by God. This is clearly wrong. That's batshit insane. The Bible also says God lost a battle to Baal, a god in the Canaanite Parthenon. How many Christians believe Baal is even a real god? In fact, Baal and God are brothers. How many Christians know that?
Actually, that brings up another point. The only way to remain a Christian is to avoid learning about your religion. It's nearly impossible to do that on the internet, which is likely why there are so many atheists here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all fine and dandy till you start murdering Jews.omicron1 said:
Host Desecration was a charge leveled against countless Jews throughout the years that lead to thousands being murdered. And Host Desecration can only be leveled as a crime if you truly think those little crackers are the flesh of Jesus.
No. It looks stupid/ignorant because it is. If a Catholic priest could bless a cracker and turn it into the flesh of Jesus Christ, and then someone could curse it, stab it, and make it bleed, they could split $1 million from James Randi. They can't do it, because it's bullshit.omicron1 said:
And if something require "true faith" to make sense, it's a sign you are in a cult.omicron1 said:
There's a difference between being wrong, being really wrong, and being "I can't believe you just said that!" wrong.CosmicCommander said:
Read the bible. There are somethings it gets right (don't steal, don't murder, etc.). There are somethings it gets wrong (bats are not birds). There are things it gets really wrong (there are no warehouses in the sky where god keeps the hailstones). And there are things that fall into the last category (treatment of women, gays, owning slaves, etc.).
I find the OP very ironic.
Most people care about a lot of things, but don't care very deeply about most of them. Thus, even if huge numbers of people care about something, only a minority is going to care deeply about it. Following along those lines, the only people who care enough to go through the trouble of complaining about something publicly are the ones who care deeply about whatever the subject may be. These people will always be in the minority.
The OP is one of these people when it comes to this particular subject. He is complaining about himself.
I was amused.
Most people care about a lot of things, but don't care very deeply about most of them. Thus, even if huge numbers of people care about something, only a minority is going to care deeply about it. Following along those lines, the only people who care enough to go through the trouble of complaining about something publicly are the ones who care deeply about whatever the subject may be. These people will always be in the minority.
The OP is one of these people when it comes to this particular subject. He is complaining about himself.
I was amused.