ISIS hits Kabul University in a large-scale terror attack

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Gethsemani said:
Yeah, I'll tell that to the guy I know who came under mortar fire in Afghanistan just last year. When was the last time terrorists in Europe used indirect fire in their attacks? When was the last time one country in Europe had over 1,000 terror attacks in a year? Afghanistan is safer but to call it safe is to be very out of touch. There's still open warfare in several parts and even if it is winding down, it is in a precarious and unstable situation were it could escalate again.

Besides, my irony was pointed at a Swedish authority which has been seeing Afghanistan as totally safe to be in since before Sweden pulled its peacekeeping force out (and replaced it with a rather large contingent of trainers and mentors) in 2014. It is hard to take their assessment seriously when they've decided Afghanistan was safe while Swedish peace keepers were guiding German fighter jets in to take out fortified strongpoints that contained heavy weapons like mortars and RPGs and the US ISAF contingent was busy in offensive combat operations to quench the resurgence of Taliban controlled territory in southern Afghanistan.
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I think you're exaggerating. Egypt is also subject to a low-level insurgency, it is still relatively safe. This kind of things occurs in many places around the world.

What was the real reason for Sweden to have this decision in your opinion?
 
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That's a great rebuttal to the statistics I posted.



It is no secret that Sweden has been trying to decrease its number of asylum seekers for at least the last decade. With the exception of late-2015 and early-2016, when Sweden accepted a massive amount of Syrian refugees, the trend has been for Sweden to be very restrictive with granting asylum and finding increasingly convoluted ways to deny asylum seekers. Increasingly so after 2016 when the backlash from the refugee waves came.

When most other nations in the West still considers Afghanistan one of the countries from which you can get asylum due to widespread violence, Sweden's repeated and longstanding insistence that everything is fine in Afghanistan stands in stark contrast.
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I don't want to argue with you about statistics, really. I gave your arguments a good read and I didn't known that there was a turn in the Swedish attitude in 2016. You learn new things every day.

I gave bataclan as an example of a large scale terror attack with firearms when you conceded that terror attacks happen in Europe but aren't as bad as Afghanistan. You're kind of moving the goal-post, and I'm not interested in this kind of argument because it was never the point. It wasn't that Afghanistan wasn't an unsafe country, it was that this attack doesn't prove it's an unsafe country as much as nov 2015 in Paris doesn't prove France to be an unsafe country. Is all.

If you want to argue why Afghanistan should be considered an unsafe country regardless of the this current event, I've stated before that there are countries with ongoing insurgencies around the world that aren't the best to live in. They're still considered safe. I gave Egypt as an example. The Afghani refugees returned to their country post-2003 after there had been about 5 million of them in Iran and Pakistan. Even the UNHCR agreed and repatriated them back to Afghanistan in 2004 onwards. Why are Afghanis still going halfway across the world to a welfare state while the UN had repatriated so many Afghani refugees over 15 years ago.

Every time I have this kind of conversation I remind myself of this anecdotal evidence:
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