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i have been a pc man for ever,
its mainly because we have a computer that is working (at the time) and have gotten comfortable with it, however my brother has got a apple retail job and bought the new aluminum macbook... played on it, loved it, bought a imac that week!
if you havent played on a mac you might never know it could be a change for the better!!!
thanks for the kick start of forum xxcloud417xx
Actually this is an interesting phenomenon. Part of my job is Mac/Windows integration (which is, to be honest, the only reason I use a Mac) and it is downright scary the number of people who hate Mac, and then actually get to set up their own 10.5 machine only to fall in love.

Apple really nailed it when they flashed up and made the installation process so easy.
 

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SuperFriendBFG said:
xxcloud417xx said:
Does anyone here remember when Macs had the G series processors (last one was the G5)? What made them switch to Intel? and are Intel chips better or worse?
They went for Intel to better support Windows based applications. Essentially making it an easier task to port any software to the OS X platform.
I can see that... but i still don't see it as the main reason. I mean, Mac has been different for all those years... why change now? know what i mean?
 

xxcloud417xx

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sv93 said:
xxcloud417xx said:
ask a question if you feel like you want to know more. i use a Mac every day. for both work and entertainment...
Me too, my mom bought it for me a while back. Its the New iMac, whatever that means :p
yeah the iMac is more of a personal device, or a school lab device compared to the Mac Pro. But congrats on your iMac. glad you like it and if you ever get a question dont be afraid to post it here.
 

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Gitsnik said:
001648 said:
i have been a pc man for ever,
its mainly because we have a computer that is working (at the time) and have gotten comfortable with it, however my brother has got a apple retail job and bought the new aluminum macbook... played on it, loved it, bought a imac that week!
if you havent played on a mac you might never know it could be a change for the better!!!
thanks for the kick start of forum xxcloud417xx
Actually this is an interesting phenomenon. Part of my job is Mac/Windows integration (which is, to be honest, the only reason I use a Mac) and it is downright scary the number of people who hate Mac, and then actually get to set up their own 10.5 machine only to fall in love.

Apple really nailed it when they flashed up and made the installation process so easy.
I'm glad we got an "expert" on this thread. thanks for posting.
 

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xxcloud417xx said:
I can see that... but i still don't see it as the main reason. I mean, Mac has been different for all those years... why change now? know what i mean?
Apple isn't trying to be 'different', they want to sell their computers. Using Intel based processors opens up more and easier porting and programming options, thus opening themselves up to a wider base of users.
 

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sv93 said:
xxcloud417xx said:
sv93 said:
xxcloud417xx said:
ask a question if you feel like you want to know more. i use a Mac every day. for both work and entertainment...
Me too, my mom bought it for me a while back. Its the New iMac, whatever that means :p
yeah the iMac is more of a personal device, or a school lab device compared to the Mac Pro. But congrats on your iMac. glad you like it and if you ever get a question dont be afraid to post it here.
Is the iMac Pro the one that comes in a tour? I wish I had one of those! There amazing!
I'll assume you mean Tower by Tour. and yeah they are amazing... if you want to pay the price for em... I do love the way they set up the Mac Pro though, the interior is really well designed and clean looking. if you look here

http://www.apple.com/macpro/design.html

you can see it all
 

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I've used a PC for 95% of my life, and when i tried macs the first thing i noticed is that it seems well... sticky, although the computer was faster and things like USB's helpfully popped straight onto the desktop the control of the actual system just felt slow and clunky to me. I should probably get used to the Mac before i go bitching though, oops too late.
 

Alex_P

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xxcloud417xx said:
Does anyone here remember when Macs had the G series processors (last one was the G5)? What made them switch to Intel? and are Intel chips better or worse?
PowerPC.

PowerPC is a processor developed in the 90s by Apple, Motorola, and IBM.

Originally, PowerPC was notable as an example of a Reduced Instruction Set Computing (RISC) design. Intel's x86 chips at the time used a Complex Instruction Set Computing (CISC) architecture. RISC uses simpler and more limited machine code, meaning that certain operations that a CISC chip can do in one instruction have to be written out into several RISC instructions; the benefit is that it's easier to pipeline these instructions, meaning that execution of multiple instructions overlaps -- imagine the CPU as several different units arranged in an assembly line, with each unit doing its little part of an instruction and then passing it on to the next unit to finish.

Intel started designing CISC-on-RISC chips, which basically take in instructions in the old complicated x86 format but then transform them into RISC instructions for execution. Keeping the old machine code format allowed them to maintain backwards-compatibility with a lot of old code.

Over time, both the PowerPC and x86 architectures were improved and extended. For a while, PowerPC chips were notably for faster floating-point calculations while x86 chips did integer math faster. Both architectures added features like single-instruction/multiple-data processing. Motorola also came up with a few low-powered PPC designs for cell phones and other devices -- which IBM then used in their a massively parallel supercomputer designs. Overall, x86 chips changed a lot more than PPC chips -- partly due to a more dated original design, partly due to tight competition between Intel and AMD.

A few years back IBM ran into heat and wattage issues with their designs. This came at a time when Apple was getting more ambitious with its laptop roadmap. The company decided to switch to Intel processors because Intel chips were generally cheaper (mostly due to volume) and faster (due to a number of architectural and manufacturing factors). Intel had also stepped up development of cooler, lower-power chips for mobile devices, such as Atom and Celeron M.

Apple said that heat and performance problems were the main reason behind their move to Intel chips.

-- Alex
 

Zer_

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If you're going to spend 3k on a Mac you might as well get an OverDrivePC.

www.overdrivepc.com
 

Radelaide

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Man, I'm just going to make a computer that works like a PC and looks like a Mac and shut you all up. :p
 

Alex_P

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SuperFriendBFG said:
If you're going to spend 3k on a Mac you might as well get an OverDrivePC.

www.overdrivepc.com
$4.5k for a machine that isn't much better than one I built for $1.3k six months ago.

Now, I don't have a 1000-Watt power supply. Nor do I have RAM with heat spreaders. And I'm proud of that.

-- Alex
 

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Alex_P said:
SuperFriendBFG said:
If you're going to spend 3k on a Mac you might as well get an OverDrivePC.

www.overdrivepc.com
$4.5k for a machine that isn't much better than one I built for $1.3k six months ago.

Now, I don't have a 1000-Watt power supply. Nor do I have RAM with heat spreaders. And I'm proud of that.

-- Alex
Yeah but yours didn't come with a free polo shirt.
 

Alex_P

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hypothetical fact said:
Yeah but yours didn't come with a free polo shirt.
I have several VERY awesome and important points!

1. There are only three valid types of shirts for guys: dress shirt, t-shirts, and shirts you wear as outer-wear over top of t-shirts (these can be re-purposed dress shirts after you've spilled bleach on them). Anything else is un-cool.

2. Free shirts are awesome. (Non-free shirts can be awesome, too.)

3. Shirts that come with an expensive product you ordered are not quite "free", however, and therefore not awesome. They are only cool if the product was for work (therefore, effectively, free for you) and ridiculously expensive. A shirt that says "I paid $4k for a computer" is a bad shirt. A shirt that says "I requisitioned a $400k piece of scientific machinery in order to do my important awesome job" is awesome. So awesome it's still awesome even if there is a bad joke on it.

4. If the equipment in 3 (above) was purchased by a spouse, direct relative, or very close friend, who then decided the shirt was too tacky to wear and gave it to you, the shirt is still cool, but only half as cool as it would be if you got it yourself.

-- Alex
 

Zer_

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Alex_P said:
SuperFriendBFG said:
If you're going to spend 3k on a Mac you might as well get an OverDrivePC.

www.overdrivepc.com
$4.5k for a machine that isn't much better than one I built for $1.3k six months ago.

Now, I don't have a 1000-Watt power supply. Nor do I have RAM with heat spreaders. And I'm proud of that.

-- Alex
If you didn't notice anything about these guys is that they overclock their systems out of the box. They're the best custom PC boutique out there. At least with these guys you're not paying a huge price for a bunch of quality PC parts slapped together.

Of course you can remove the Mouse/Keyboard and the Shirt and they reduce the price accordingly.

Some of their older systems have some detailed reviews. Harder to find reviews of any newer boutique systems these days...

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=OTQ3LCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

You need only take a look at their wiring to see how well the systems are built.
http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1137010660mkXAoIZeLv_3_6_l.jpg
http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1164743995aXP9wzB1TM_5_12_l.jpg

Unlike most out of the box computers they stick to Air Cooling yet will often give us ludicrous overclocks.

"The PC we ordered was overclocked from 2.40GHz to 3.5GHz - on air cooling." That's on an Intel Core2 Duo E6600.

Pretty much anything that can be overclocked in a computer, they overclock. :)

I actually can't wait to see what their newest generation of systems push out. I also want to see some game benchmarks for solid states running in RAID.
 

Alex_P

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SuperFriendBFG said:
Some of their older systems have some detailed reviews. Harder to find reviews of any newer boutique systems these days...
I am impressed with what that article says about their service and support. (Not my bag, personally, but still very impressive.)

-- Alex
 

Zer_

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Alex_P said:
SuperFriendBFG said:
Some of their older systems have some detailed reviews. Harder to find reviews of any newer boutique systems these days...
I am impressed with what that article says about their service and support. (Not my bag, personally, but still very impressive.)

-- Alex
Well the owner of the company "Mario" deals a lot with the customers as a tech support guy and general system builder.

They shorten or lengthen the internal wires to make sure that it doesn't interfere with airflow, which is one of the reasons why they get such good performance out of air cooling. Not sure about today, but earlier on OPC was the first to chop up internal wiring to reduce clutter.

I do agree though if you have the tech knowledge to build and overclock a computer at a lower price, then it's not worth the money.
 

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RAKtheUndead said:
SuperFriendBFG said:
If you're going to spend 3k on a Mac you might as well get an OverDrivePC.

www.overdrivepc.com
Note that these people use the Razer Lycosa keyboard in their designs. There is only One True Keyboard, and it ain't the Lycosa. Then again, nobody sells buckling spring keyboards with their computers any more. Pity, because they have far better quality than any rubber dome keyboard.
Who even sells old spring keyboards anymore? O_O