Its hard being a DC fan. (Rant)

[Kyrian007]

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

I don't know. It's out there.

I presume it's harder to see because the vocal minority that usually bitches about race switching/black people is being drowned out by the vocal majority screaming for bloody murder at WB over a variety of other issues.

Couldn't have said it better. I wish I just had a blind spot where that kind of racial stuff just didn't register and I didn't notice it.

I was actually kind of hopeful at first for Suicide Squad. Just like I was about Man of Steel and BvS. It's kind of a pattern with the current DC verse. I love the idea and the initial news. Then every time a new news item or trailer comes out... it looks a little more and more like someone is making really stupid decisions. And before long I'm seeing "trainwreck incoming." I'm hoping Suicide Squad will be good, but the babytalk dumb dialogue in the current trailers isn't making me confident.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Fans don't HATE the character Green Lantern (any iteration, except for the racists bashing John Stewart,) .

Woah, there are John Stewart haters? I've yet to encounter that. John Stewart is the best Lantern!

Yup, it's sad. They're the ones that whine and cry about the John Stewart version being featured in the Justice League cartoon instead of any of the Caucasian lanterns. They try and say it isn't about race... and then they scream about it just being done to make sure that more than just whites are represented.

Or something, or other. They're racists, always going on about something stupid or another. And it was an oversimplification, there are plenty of Kyle Rainer haters out there, and a contingent of Guy Gardner haters as well. But was it for the most part, the movie the people hated. Not the character which is (regardless of iteration) one of the most iconic and loved characters in the DC stable.

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

Now that you mention it, there has been a lack of talk about Will Smith being Deadshot. I don't agree with the casting myself; I'm not exactly fond of Will Smith, I don't think he's bad, I think he just doesn't gel with me, I understand why people like him, he's just not for me and I don't like deviations from characters established race. It could just be that Harley Quinn and Pimp Joker are higher profile complaints and are drawing peoples focus.

Personally I've yet to ever see anyone hate on John Stewart, there are people who prefer Hal(the fools!), but I've never seen any hate for him, or his race.

I am hoping a Green Lantern in this movie is John Stewert because he is just more cooler than Hal Jordan.

I vote Denzel Washington cast as a John Stewert Green Lantern. But I pretty much think its gonna be Jaime Foxx just because he's been very popular recently with the success of Django Unchained.

I agree with you, John Stewart all the way to the bank. Not only do I like him more then Hal, but it would be a convenient switch considering the problems they had with the Green Lantern movie. Why go out of your way to reboot a character when you can just ignore it and use another one?

Of course, the fact that it's a good idea pretty much guarantees it will never happen.

Spoiler

Fans don't HATE the character Green Lantern (any iteration, except for the racists bashing John Stewart,) .

Woah, there are John Stewart haters? I've yet to encounter that. John Stewart is the best Lantern!

Yup, it's sad. They're the ones that whine and cry about the John Stewart version being featured in the Justice League cartoon instead of any of the Caucasian lanterns. They try and say it isn't about race... and then they scream about it just being done to make sure that more than just whites are represented.

Or something, or other. They're racists, always going on about something stupid or another. And it was an oversimplification, there are plenty of Kyle Rainer haters out there, and a contingent of Guy Gardner haters as well. But was it for the most part, the movie the people hated. Not the character which is (regardless of iteration) one of the most iconic and loved characters in the DC stable.

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

Now that you mention it, there has been a lack of talk about Will Smith being Deadshot. I don't agree with the casting myself; I'm not exactly fond of Will Smith, I don't think he's bad, I think he just doesn't gel with me, I understand why people like him, he's just not for me and I don't like deviations from characters established race. It could just be that Harley Quinn and Pimp Joker are higher profile complaints and are drawing peoples focus.

Personally I've yet to ever see anyone hate on John Stewart, there are people who prefer Hal(the fools!), but I've never seen any hate for him, or his race.

I am hoping a Green Lantern in this movie is John Stewert because he is just more cooler than Hal Jordan.

I vote Denzel Washington cast as a John Stewert Green Lantern. But I pretty much think its gonna be Jaime Foxx just because he's been very popular recently with the success of Django Unchained.

I like that choice, but I haven't heard that any Green Lanterns will ever be made a part of the DCU yet. Maybe I just haven't heard the announcement yet (I'm not a fan of the current DCU) And I kind of doubt they would go for Jamie Foxx, as he's Sony's Electro, and Sony's collaborating with Disney/Marvel now.

No announcements that a Green Lantern is being included. They have, however, discussed the idea with the public, enough to make it clear they'd reboot the character (Of course, that's mandatory now, considering the actor that played Hal has moved on to bigger and much better things).

A random question to all - How would people feel about a new female Green Lantern for the movies? You wouldn't have to gender bend or anything, just a brand new (Human) character with a ring (Or dig up one of the old, I believe defunct female ones from the comics).

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

I'm a fan of juxtaposition (if that's the right word) but I was also brought into DC by Justice League and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were banging that drum to a charming beat.

 

[Kyrian007]

No announcements that a Green Lantern is being included. They have, however, discussed the idea with the public, enough to make it clear they'd reboot the character (Of course, that's mandatory now, considering the actor that played Hal has moved on to bigger and much better things).

A random question to all - How would people feel about a new female Green Lantern for the movies? You wouldn't have to gender bend or anything, just a brand new (Human) character with a ring (Or dig up one of the old, I believe defunct female ones from the comics).

I like it. Or, why not? Give anybody a ring and they're a Green Lantern so who cares who it is. In fact if they are still gunshy about the whole Green Lantern thing after the moviebomb... going such a new direction actually makes lots of sense.

 

[DefunctTheory]

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Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

I'm a fan of juxtaposition (if that's the right word) but I was also brought into DC by Justice League and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were banging that drum to a charming beat.

As far as I'm concerned, the only romantic pairings in the DC universe worth time paying attention to are Wonder Woman/Batman, Hawk Girl/John Stewart, and The Question/Huntress.

 

[Cicada 5]

I can respect that view Stewie, but for me and most people I talk to - it just comes off as not killing someone ONLY because their moms share the same name. It feels hollow as the movie didn't really touch on Batman viewing Supes as less than human but rather simply a murderer. Or worse, a God which would give his mission an air of superiority complex. One that once he saw Supes as human he lost the thrill of killing something more powerful than himself. The point seems so vague to me that I can spin it however I want it as the movie doesn't reinforce any of these concepts.

Bruce (to Alfred): He [Superman] has the power to wipe out billions. If there is even a 1% chance that he is our enemy we have to treat it as an absolute certainty.

In addition to this dialogue, there's also Bruce being present during the events of MoS, the Knightmare sequence and the party where he expresses his less than impressed opinion about Superman. It's all there in the movie.

 

[Cicada 5]

the big problem with dc is just that they want what marvel has, and want it right fucking now. but marvel built it up over time. each movie added bits of interconnectivity without loosing focus on the movie at hand. then avengers tied it all together.
dc just wants to start with the avengers, but that doesnt work. avengers might not have floped, but it would be FAR away from its success if the other movies to build the characters didnt come first.
the buildup of the fight between sups and bats was just bad. i kinda can see batmans point being afraid of a godlike creature that destroyed a city while saying it fights for justice. but why does superman hate batman? he does the exact same thing as batman. superman killed the guy that threatened lois in the beginning (you cant tell me you can survive beeing kicked through a stonewall like that and live). and all he seems to care about is his image and lois. having lex "jr" to force him to fight batman was just a reaction of poor buildup of motivation.
in my opinion it would have been much better if superman had a real reason to fight batman and the threat of doomsday overshadowing their fight so they have to cooperate to beat him.
also, why the fuck did superman use the spear? wouldnt it have been much easier to give the spear to wonderwoman? a superhero that seems just as strong as himself but isnt weakened by superman?

and dont get me startet on the whole death of superman premis..... as if he would stay dead after 2 movies. his death might have had an impact after the whole justice league got established and all fight some cracy villain together. but like this its jsut too comicbookcliche.

so, the studio should change their way of buildup. build characters first, not the roster. but sadly, they will just see it floped (critically) and think its cause of the tone

Superman did not destroy the city, that was entirely Zod. Bruce is merely using him as a scapegoat. Superman's issue with Batman is he's an unhinged vigilante who brands his enemies. As for Superman, he states he hasn't killed anyone since the first film and with the way Superman moved it's possible he survived and it's never mentioned he was killed. Keep in mind superhero films have even human characters survive the most absurd injuries all the time.

Superman's death isn't any more ridiculous than Thor's which lasted all of five seconds in his first film.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

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Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

I'm a fan of juxtaposition (if that's the right word) but I was also brought into DC by Justice League and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were banging that drum to a charming beat.

As far as I'm concerned, the only romantic pairings in the DC universe worth time paying attention to are Wonder Woman/Batman, Hawk Girl/John Stewart, and The Question/Huntress.

I'm fond of Clark and Lois (even if only due to grandfather clause), indeed one moment in BvS that comes across as real is the part where he jumps into the back with her. It's oddly sweet and totally human. Shame the rest of the movie was incapable of that

 

[DefunctTheory]

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Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

I'm a fan of juxtaposition (if that's the right word) but I was also brought into DC by Justice League and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were banging that drum to a charming beat.

As far as I'm concerned, the only romantic pairings in the DC universe worth time paying attention to are Wonder Woman/Batman, Hawk Girl/John Stewart, and The Question/Huntress.

I'm fond of Clark and Lois (even if only due to grandfather clause), indeed one moment in BvS that comes across as real is the part where he jumps into the back with her. It's oddly sweet and totally human. Shame the rest of the movie was incapable of that

I can't stand this Lois. I just hate her. She feels like she's shoe horned in (Because she is), she brings exactly zero things to the overall story/movie, their 'romance' feels awkward and forced, and she just can't keep her god damn hands off of Clark's face. That last one is probably purely a personal problem, but it just rubs me the wrong damn way. It's like she want's to merge onto it and become his beard, like some sort of bizarre angler fish.

 

[elvor0]

As far as I'm concerned, the only romantic pairings in the DC universe worth time paying attention to The Question/Huntress.

Orange Socks?

Actually on that note, I'm still raw that The Question doesn't even exist properly in N52.

I can't stand this Lois. I just hate her. She feels like she's shoe horned in (Because she is), she brings exactly zero things to the overall story/movie, their 'romance' feels awkward and forced, and she just can't keep her god damn hands off of Clark's face. That last one is probably purely a personal problem, but it just rubs me the wrong damn way. It's like she want's to merge onto it and become his beard, like some sort of bizarre angler fish.

The DCCU Lois is pants. She's just so bland, proper Lois has balls. Especially in MoS she just kind of wanders around into the plot.

A random question to all - How would people feel about a new female Green Lantern for the movies? You wouldn't have to gender bend or anything, just a brand new (Human) character with a ring (Or dig up one of the old, I believe defunct female ones from the comics).

For my own thoughts, if they were going to that, I'd prefer that they dig someone up rather than create a new character. For DC, it might not be worth the effort, new characters seldom last long in comics(Harley Quinn being the exception), even less so if they come from a movie which has the potential to bomb massively.

DC also created a new Green Lantern rather recently; Simon Baz, with the potential for Jessica Cruz to become a Lantern too, that's 6 Human Green Lanterns already. Simon Baz was not only killed off screen during Trinity War, but even other members of the JL just kind of go "meh" at his death. He gets better, but with Green Lantern you probs wanna stick with Hal or John.

But my dream line up would be the same as the DCAU for the Justice League, which would include Hawkgirl to "round" the ratio of genders. Of course it's unlikely I'm going to get that, or Hawkgirl given that awful...awful version they have on Legends of Tomorrow.

 

[Cicada 5]

I'd say DC has been more terrible with their comics with a lot of fan favorites getting killed off, poorly written, put inlimbo etc. There's also the shilling of Silver AGe relics like Hal Jordan and Barry Allen over others. They're movies and tv shows do rather well, however.

Can't say I blame anyone for having sour viewpoints on DC lately, though personally, I'm starting to consider myself quite a DC fan as of late.

Before you ask, I've been mostly steering clear of this DC Cinematic Universe because I've found it too grimdark for my tastes. Heck, the only films I've watched in the DC Cinematic Universe are Batman Begins and the Dark Knight, and the only upcoming movie to catch my interest is Suicide Squad, if only because that film clearly isn't taking itself too seriously.

Give me Christopher Reeve Superman over Man of Steel anyday.

A;so, when it comes to comics, I aim to avoid New 52 (though if Rebirth proves more upbeat and brings back what New 52 took away, I'll consider reading issues from that) and Look for good comics that are Post-Crisis and Pre-Flashpoint, which I hear was the time DC was hitting its stride.

Also, I found a new addiction in playing DC Universe Online, which I found alot of fun and I found it mostly avoids any of the changes New 52 brought on.

Speaking of video games, we still have the Batman Arkham games and Scribblenauts Unmasked, which are some of the better DC games out there. Heck, I read the Scribblenauts Unmasked comic series, which I thought was alot of fun.

And need I remind you people of the DC Animated universe? with Paul Dini writing some of the best superhero shows to ever grace TV? with stars like Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamil, and George Newbern leading their voices?

My point is, I actually it can be pretty easy to be a DC Fan, but like any franchise as large and expansions as the DC Universe, all you need to do is look out for what's good and avoid what you think is bad.

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are not part of the DC Cinematic Universe.

 

[SweetShark]

I love Superman. I am just sad he gets completely overshadowed by Batman which is just wrong because Supes is the face of DC.

Heck I bet Marvel fans hate it when Spiderman gets all the spotlight.

And like I said before I have seen worse portrayals of Superman then this. And no its not just At Earth's End. Look at this panal from Act of God and is also an example of a badly portrayed Wonder Woman:

https://youtu.be/lSrO1puobWQ?t=425

Umm...no, I love it when Spiderman get the Spotlight. This Spiderman deserve it in the movie. All the characters deserve a spotlight.
Also I believe in my opinion this is the best incarnation of Spiderman I ever saw in a movie.
Because lets face it, Peter Parker is a teenager. A teenager who doesn't actually saw or experienced any kind of real danger for his life. That why we see him so playful and yes, smartass like in the comics we know.
Plus Ironman knows that Peter is still a young man who doesn't know his limits, that why he told him at some point to stop fighting at some point. Because Tony didn't wanted to see this kid get hurt.

This is what I was talking about that this is not about just a character, but the interaction of all heroes between them.
As I said in a Thread, One-Punch Man wouldn't be a great comic/manga/whatever if the other characters as well wasn't trying to make his adventures more interesting.
The same goes with Civil War movie: This is a movie about Captain America. But being a Captain America movie doesn't mean the other charatcers shouldn't be more interesting than him.

What I am trying to say Civil War is Excellent.

 

[SweetShark]

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are not part of the DC Cinematic Universe.

I am very glad to hear that.
But then Dark Knight Rises is part of DC Cinematic Universe?

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Spoiler

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Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

I'm a fan of juxtaposition (if that's the right word) but I was also brought into DC by Justice League and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were banging that drum to a charming beat.

As far as I'm concerned, the only romantic pairings in the DC universe worth time paying attention to are Wonder Woman/Batman, Hawk Girl/John Stewart, and The Question/Huntress.

I'm fond of Clark and Lois (even if only due to grandfather clause), indeed one moment in BvS that comes across as real is the part where he jumps into the back with her. It's oddly sweet and totally human. Shame the rest of the movie was incapable of that

I can't stand this Lois. I just hate her. She feels like she's shoe horned in (Because she is), she brings exactly zero things to the overall story/movie, their 'romance' feels awkward and forced, and she just can't keep her god damn hands off of Clark's face. That last one is probably purely a personal problem, but it just rubs me the wrong damn way. It's like she want's to merge onto it and become his beard, like some sort of bizarre angler fish.

Does anyone even really like her at all? Her DCEU version is complete pants, but I couldn't stand her in the Superman movies, Superman TAS, and even the comics. Though when she gets to know Clark's identity and they get married, her bitchiness lowers.

I hate her and the numerous rip offs she has spawned. That horrible arc with Vicki Vale after Batman died and Dick took over where she spent all her time trying to prove that Bruce was Batman, Dick is Batman, and that Bruce is dead. Who does that help, dickhead?

 

[Cicada 5]

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are not part of the DC Cinematic Universe.

I am very glad to hear that.
But then Dark Knight Rises is part of DC Cinematic Universe?

Nope. The Nolan Trilogy (Batman Begins, Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises) is completely separate from the DC Cinematic Universe.

 

[SweetShark]

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Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

I'm a fan of juxtaposition (if that's the right word) but I was also brought into DC by Justice League and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were banging that drum to a charming beat.

As far as I'm concerned, the only romantic pairings in the DC universe worth time paying attention to are Wonder Woman/Batman, Hawk Girl/John Stewart, and The Question/Huntress.

I prefer when Batman make out with a Furry Girl and Wonder Woman just saw this moment.
I mean, He is a Bat and she is a Felid. It make sense yo.

 

[Cicada 5]

I love Superman. I am just sad he gets completely overshadowed by Batman which is just wrong because Supes is the face of DC.

Heck I bet Marvel fans hate it when Spiderman gets all the spotlight.

And like I said before I have seen worse portrayals of Superman then this. And no its not just At Earth's End. Look at this panal from Act of God and is also an example of a badly portrayed Wonder Woman:

https://youtu.be/lSrO1puobWQ?t=425

Umm...no, I love it when Spiderman get the Spotlight. This Spiderman deserve it in the movie. All the characters deserve a spotlight.
Also I believe in my opinion this is the best incarnation of Spiderman I ever saw in a movie.
Because lets face it, Peter Parker is a teenager. A teenager who doesn't actually saw or experienced any kind of real danger for his life. That why we see him so playful and yes, smartass like in the comics we know.
Plus Ironman knows that Peter is still a young man who doesn't know his limits, that why he told him at some point to stop fighting at some point. Because Tony didn't wanted to see this kid get hurt.

This is what I was talking about that this is not about just a character, but the interaction of all heroes between them.
As I said in a Thread, One-Punch Man wouldn't be a great comic/manga/whatever if the other characters as well wasn't trying to make his adventures more interesting.
The same goes with Civil War movie: This is a movie about Captain America. But being a Captain America movie doesn't mean the other charatcers shouldn't be more interesting than him.

What I am trying to say Civil War is Excellent.

If he didn't want the kid to get hurt, why recruit him in the first place? I mean, Tony's entire reason for siding with the Accords is because some woman lost her son in a battle that resulted from Tony's hubris. Yet here he is recruiting an impressionable teenager to fight some of the most dangerous men and women on the planet. Good thing SPider-Man has yet another movie coming out other wise Tony would be getting a visit from a certain May Parker.

 

[SweetShark]

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are not part of the DC Cinematic Universe.

I am very glad to hear that.
But then Dark Knight Rises is part of DC Cinematic Universe?

Nope. The Nolan Trilogy (Batman Begins, Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises) is completely separate from the DC Cinematic Universe.

YES!!! I love that.
Then maybe there is hope to see a Nightwing/Robin Batman movie base the Nolan Universe.
Big Dream but not impossible.

 

[SweetShark]

I love Superman. I am just sad he gets completely overshadowed by Batman which is just wrong because Supes is the face of DC.

Heck I bet Marvel fans hate it when Spiderman gets all the spotlight.

And like I said before I have seen worse portrayals of Superman then this. And no its not just At Earth's End. Look at this panal from Act of God and is also an example of a badly portrayed Wonder Woman:

https://youtu.be/lSrO1puobWQ?t=425

Umm...no, I love it when Spiderman get the Spotlight. This Spiderman deserve it in the movie. All the characters deserve a spotlight.
Also I believe in my opinion this is the best incarnation of Spiderman I ever saw in a movie.
Because lets face it, Peter Parker is a teenager. A teenager who doesn't actually saw or experienced any kind of real danger for his life. That why we see him so playful and yes, smartass like in the comics we know.
Plus Ironman knows that Peter is still a young man who doesn't know his limits, that why he told him at some point to stop fighting at some point. Because Tony didn't wanted to see this kid get hurt.

This is what I was talking about that this is not about just a character, but the interaction of all heroes between them.
As I said in a Thread, One-Punch Man wouldn't be a great comic/manga/whatever if the other characters as well wasn't trying to make his adventures more interesting.
The same goes with Civil War movie: This is a movie about Captain America. But being a Captain America movie doesn't mean the other charatcers shouldn't be more interesting than him.

What I am trying to say Civil War is Excellent.

If he didn't want the kid to get hurt, why recruit him in the first place? I mean, Tony's entire reason for siding with the Accords is because some woman lost her son in a battle that resulted from Tony's hubris. Yet here he is recruiting an impressionable teenager to fight some of the most dangerous men and women on the planet. Good thing SPider-Man has yet another movie coming out other wise Tony would be getting a visit from a certain May Parker.

First of, none was fighting to kill. I am very sure if Scarlet Witch and Vision was free to kill anybody, I think you would see dead bodies lying around...
Second Tony Stark knew Spiderman had experience with other heroic deeds by helping people around his city. Not something extremly dangerous, like fighting a super villain, but his first baby steps.
Third, Tony told him to keep his distant and shoot his web, NOT to engage. Spiderman being a teenager, didn't listen him at all.
Finally, Tony didn't had other option to find other heroes to help him.
Yes, in the comics I am veru sure Tony could very easily find other heroes to help him. But this is a Cinematic Universe. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't remember another kind of hero laying around to help Tony. Yes, his Super mutated Girlfriend is one, but Tony have his personal issue so that why he didn't asked her for her help.
However I will tell this: Maybe he could ask help from Nick Fury, but I don't remember what happened with him.

 

[Cicada 5]

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are not part of the DC Cinematic Universe.

I am very glad to hear that.
But then Dark Knight Rises is part of DC Cinematic Universe?

Nope. The Nolan Trilogy (Batman Begins, Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises) is completely separate from the DC Cinematic Universe.

YES!!! I love that.
Then maybe there is hope to see a Nightwing/Robin Batman movie base the Nolan Universe.
Big Dream but not impossible.

Eh, I doubt that highly. The film makers were very adamant that Rises would be the last entry in the Nolan Trilogy.