its not illegal to watch

[teisjm]

I have no facts to back this up, but as far as i know watching viedo streams of copyrighted material isn't illegal, since it's not the same as downloading.
The people who PUT UP the streaming videos are breaking teh law though, as they're redistributiing copyrighted material, so YOU can legally watch streaming illegal videos, but they can be shut down beacuase THEY are breaking the law

 

[LINKXIII]

You wouldn't download a car.

I would

 

[Zer_]

You wouldn't download a car.

You wouldn't punch someone in Second Life.

 

[DisturbiaWolf13]

?

legal, illega, I dont care. I want it, i take it.

Anarchy, baby!

Oh, I see.

Nice TV you've got there. Now you don't. Mind if I take also your consoles and PC? No? Well too bad, I want them. Kiss them goodbye.

And don't go to the police, or you'll be another raging hypocrite.

Yay.

There is a BIG difference in stealing from a person, and stealing from a huge corporation. I have morals, you twat.

/reported for the twat part.

Also, I see little difference. So, you think that huge corporation is unaffected? Half true. Big cats at the top won't feel anything. You are just hurting the regular Joe working at that corporation, his salary might get cut or worse, they might fire him.

You might as well steal half of his salary.

What happened to freedom of speech?

DON'T TASE ME BRO!

Sums up you pretty nicely. Your freedom ends when you violate the freedom of other people. Your rights should also end when you take the rights of other people.

When you take someone's right to life, you should have no right to be a free man.

I'm pretty sure that calling someone a twat isn't quite the same as violating someone's freedom, just a guess though.

It was just an example. Insulting someone is taking away someone's dignity, or an attempt to do so. That's why no matter what country and how much freedom of speech there is, if you go to the president and tell him he's an asswipe, you will be punished.

Unless you don't see anything wrong in insulting strangers. In that case, I pity you. Must be a hard enviornment.

insulting some1 is not anything close 2 taking theyr freedom u fool.if u feel the insult is true then i dont see the problem in saying it it is your opinion and you are stating it. Is that wrong?

That's why smart people see a difference between an opinion and an insult. Opinion is neutral. Insult is filled with hatred and negative emotions. And you are not that smart if for you insults = opinions.

Calling someone a homosexual is not an insult. Calling him a gay, the F word or worse is an insult.

Also, try to write correctly, my eyes hurt.

you think opinion is neutral? opinions can be very positive or negative,if you meant that opinion is not coulored by emotion you should have said that by the way but insults dont need to be either they just often are.if you think someone is an idiot and you tell them that it is insulting them but it is also your opinion.and about my writing,it is done for speed and if it makes your eyes hurt i suggest seeing a physician.idiot.

Weak excuse for lack of writing skill. Using correct spelling or spell checkers is free.

Why do I even try to reason with you? You lack the basic manners or even basic knowledge of what's the difference between a neutral opinion and a negative insult.

/Report for trolling.

what evidence is there that i lack manners,knowledge or writing skill? I can write correctly or i can write for speed.Its a choice not an incapability.insults can be opinions.

P.S i noticed that you didnt even bother writing a counter argument in your last post,if you know you have been proved wrong you should have the courage to admit it.

You have not shown even one time that you can post correctly. Speed? Who gives a damn about the speed? Is there a big, muscular man with a whip behind you that makes you write faster? No? Do you have ADD? No? Than you have all the time in the world to write good.

This also means you should respect other posters by writing correctly. I think there's a thing about that in guidelines, but I'm too tired today to find it.

Insults are opinions with very negative emotions. That's why we call them INSULTS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insult

Oh, hey, there is also something about your perception. Check it out, as I do believe you have a twisted moral view on the world.

Also you can notice that insult is related to personal attack (ad hominem) and is considered trolling. Desist doing that.

im not insulting you i am stating my opinion and it happens to be in conflict with yours,if i am guilty of anything so are you.what evidence is there to suggest that i have a twisted moral view of the world?

 

[Seldon2639]

To answer the original question: it depends. If the movie was being procured legally to begin with (streaming from a studio's website with permission, for instance), it's fine. If the movie is being procured illegally, it's illegal in either circumstance. Streaming is not substantially different from downloading. And, no, it's not just illegal to upload, it's illegal to download. It's not just illegal to offer an illegal service, but also to use the service.

I have no facts to back this up, but as far as i know watching viedo streams of copyrighted material isn't illegal, since it's not the same as downloading.
The people who PUT UP the streaming videos are breaking teh law though, as they're redistributiing copyrighted material, so YOU can legally watch streaming illegal videos, but they can be shut down beacuase THEY are breaking the law

Nope. Even if you have a good faith belief it's not illegal (which would be hard to accomplish with watching an illegal streaming movie), watching a streaming movie isn't substantively different (legally) from downloading the same movie. you can't watch it without downloading it to your computer in some format (that's what buffering is, basically). The fact that you don't have it for very long on your computer isn't a good enough defense to get past most copyright law. It'd be harder to prove that you had the movie, but the difficulty of prosecution doesn't make something any less illegal.

 

[jasoncyrus]

By that logic anyone whos watched any youtube video is commiting a crime since 99% of the crap put up there is copyrighted by someone somewhere.

 

[teisjm]

To answer the original question: it depends. If the movie was being procured legally to begin with (streaming from a studio's website with permission, for instance), it's fine. If the movie is being procured illegally, it's illegal in either circumstance. Streaming is not substantially different from downloading. And, no, it's not just illegal to upload, it's illegal to download. It's not just illegal to offer an illegal service, but also to use the service.

I have no facts to back this up, but as far as i know watching viedo streams of copyrighted material isn't illegal, since it's not the same as downloading.
The people who PUT UP the streaming videos are breaking teh law though, as they're redistributiing copyrighted material, so YOU can legally watch streaming illegal videos, but they can be shut down beacuase THEY are breaking the law

Nope. Even if you have a good faith belief it's not illegal (which would be hard to accomplish with watching an illegal streaming movie), watching a streaming movie isn't substantively different (legally) from downloading the same movie. you can't watch it without downloading it to your computer in some format (that's what buffering is, basically). The fact that you don't have it for very long on your computer isn't a good enough defense to get past most copyright law. It'd be harder to prove that you had the movie, but the difficulty of prosecution doesn't make something any less illegal.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_illegal_to_watch_streaming_bootleg_movies_in_the_United_States

Wiki-answers says otherwise

But if wiki is wrong (which might be the case since it's user-made)does that mean that watching copirighted stuff on youtube, which hasn't been removed yet is illegal as well? that can probably lead to a case against youtube, since you can find most music on youtube, a lot of music videos, and if you're lucky cut-up episodes of tv-shows.

 

[Tech Team FTW!]

You wouldn't download a car.

You, sir, have just made my day.

I really must stop downloading handbags.

 

[ZeeClone]

You wouldn't download a car.

Wouldn't I?

You don't KNOW me!

 

[nathan-dts]

You wouldn't download a car.

How very true.

 

[Tonimata]

Being the (supposed) son of the (supposedly) best lawyer in the (undisputably) best town in Spain D), I know for a fact (read off the civil code(a.k.a. where all the laws are written down) that it is not illegal to "consume" movies of the internet, and it is not illegal to download them, as anything that is on the internet IS free for quoting and or copying, but when something is copyrighted, it IS illegal to make copies of it and distribute it as yours. If it weren't copyrighted, then you might as well do it and it would be legal, you could steal the inhumane effort a friend has inputted into a project and claim it as yours if it's on the internet, and no one would be able to blame you (unless of course the friend in question can prove it was his). So you were both partly right. That's why whenever someone who sells bootlegged DVDs to people in restaurants sees a cop, he immediately boot legs it

 

[Tonimata]

I would. Always. I doubt I have the bandwidth though

 

[Seldon2639]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_illegal_to_watch_streaming_bootleg_movies_in_the_United_States

Wiki-answers says otherwise

But if wiki is wrong (which might be the case since it's user-made)does that mean that watching copirighted stuff on youtube, which hasn't been removed yet is illegal as well? that can probably lead to a case against youtube, since you can find most music on youtube, a lot of music videos, and if you're lucky cut-up episodes of tv-shows.

This is where it gets interesting. Under U.S copyright law, it doesn't have to be taken down save for the actual holder of the rights requesting it. Since it's on youtube, you (the viewer) actually does have a good faith belief that it's legal, rather than if you watch it from a more unscrupulous streaming site. The main difference is that youtube has a system of reporting and taking down copyrighted videos.

It's not a question of "are you downloading it, or not?", and rather a question of "should you expect it's copyrighted?" That's where the good-faith understanding comes from. If I watch a video on youtube, I have a good-faith assumption that I'm not breaking the law (and here you need to get into the difference between ignorance and a good-faith belief in the opposite direction). Wikianswers is sort of right. You are downloading the movie, but even if you weren't, you're still violating the copyright if you suspect that you are.

 

[EgoDeusEst]

You wouldn't download a car.

That, my good sir, was a most amusing comment. In other words... el oh el.

 

[teisjm]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_illegal_to_watch_streaming_bootleg_movies_in_the_United_States

Wiki-answers says otherwise

But if wiki is wrong (which might be the case since it's user-made)does that mean that watching copirighted stuff on youtube, which hasn't been removed yet is illegal as well? that can probably lead to a case against youtube, since you can find most music on youtube, a lot of music videos, and if you're lucky cut-up episodes of tv-shows.

This is where it gets interesting. Under U.S copyright law, it doesn't have to be taken down save for the actual holder of the rights requesting it. Since it's on youtube, you (the viewer) actually does have a good faith belief that it's legal, rather than if you watch it from a more unscrupulous streaming site. The main difference is that youtube has a system of reporting and taking down copyrighted videos.

It's not a question of "are you downloading it, or not?", and rather a question of "should you expect it's copyrighted?" That's where the good-faith understanding comes from. If I watch a video on youtube, I have a good-faith assumption that I'm not breaking the law (and here you need to get into the difference between ignorance and a good-faith belief in the opposite direction). Wikianswers is sort of right. You are downloading the movie, but even if you weren't, you're still violating the copyright if you suspect that you are.

But doesn't it require you to actually be in possession of the copyrigted material for it to be illegal? If i donwload a movie to my pc, and watch it with some friends then the anti-pirate police bursts in catching us red-handed. I could be charged for breaking copyright law, cause i'm in possession of illegal bootlegs of copyrighted material, but my friends are just watching, and cannot be charged.
I think it's the same with streams, you're watching illegal streams, but since you're not in possession of them you cannot be charged

 

[Sevre]

i was talking to this bloody idiot he with all his heart believes that going online and watching a streaming video of a movie is completely legal and he can do it all he wants, while DOWNLOADING the same movie is illegal. where is the logic in this??

Just depends where you stream it from...

how does that make any sense?

Well, It's legal to watch Zero Punctuation, just not to download it. Geddit?

 

[Tehpwnsauce]

You wouldn't download a car.

But you would murder a copper and steal his helmet. Cookies to those who can name the reference.

 

[Seldon2639]

But doesn't it require you to actually be in possession of the copyrigted material for it to be illegal? If i donwload a movie to my pc, and watch it with some friends then the anti-pirate police bursts in catching us red-handed. I could be charged for breaking copyright law, cause i'm in possession of illegal bootlegs of copyrighted material, but my friends are just watching, and cannot be charged.
I think it's the same with streams, you're watching illegal streams, but since you're not in possession of them you cannot be charged

It depends on the method of access. Things like Hulu prevent the information from being stored for any length of time on your computer, and disallows remote access. This is a large part of what makes it legal. A less scrupulous site allows the information to be stored on the computer itself, and (under certain circumstances) would even allow you to retrieve the stored information. If you have the capability of downloading the file wholecloth (as happens with most streaming), it's illegal. But, even beyond that, if you're watching it without having legally obtained it, it's illegal. Watching it, largely, is possession.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Youtube, Hullu,Daily motion,ect,ect all are getting whole films and TV shows with licenses from the CP conglomerates.

Hell crunch roll has sub titled anime that's posted a few days/weeks after broadcast and tis licensed.

Though IMO with the state of CP and public domain , copy right should be forced to focus on only profit making ventures, if its not making profit they can't touch it. If they would allow that infinite CP would not be much of a issue. Then again the DMCA makes any attempt at protection circumvention(software or hardware) illegal regardless if you own the media in question or not.