It's offical. The protestors are getting stupider.

[Tanakh]

The thing is, the only reason 'bust' follows 'boom' in global economics is because we never learn are bloody lesson. We keep on building huge economic booms on corrupt practices that we should know full well are going to fail in the long term. If we just went back to the drawing board, and tried to build a system that is fairer and more transparent than the current one, economic growth may be slower, but it will be so much more stable, and scene's like this may never be seen again.

Hehe, you are funny. Of course we have learn from previous lessons, people have been swindling their fellow humans with fake assets since financial instruments were established, and look at the last couple of great crisis, the guys who implemented them had huge profits, no legal responsibility, they didn't even lost credit in the public eye, how much better can they be?

 

[StrixMaxima]

No matter how you look at it, blaming the protesters over the banks is a fallacy. There is simply no way to do this with any known logic line pertaining this dimension.

Also, the fearmongering used by the OP is quite amusing, and shows a complete lack of understanding on why the Great Depression occurred, as well as the financial mechanisms regarding it.

Sometimes Wikipedia won't cut it.

 

[ScreamingNinja]

Clegane]

SNIP

The Wall Street protesters are stupid anyway. hey don't have a clue how the economy works, they don't have a clue what they're arguing for, their just a bunch of idiots with too much spare time. There's a brilliant photo of a protester holding up a "Down with corporations sign" While he is texting on his iphone, wearing oakleys sunglasses and designer clothes. What an idiot.

The most annoying ones are the ones who think the rest of the world support them. I saw one sign that read "London is rising with us." Lol, no it isn't.

Because if you want a change in the way the world works, you're not allowed to wear/use the toys that corporations make, amirite?

HEY YOU! YOU DON'T LIKE CAPITALISM! YOU HAVE TO WEAR CLOTHING YOU MADE YOURSELF OUT OF FLAX! YOU CANNOT DRIVE! YOU MUST WALK EVERYWHERE, BAREFOOT!

Sorry, doesn't work that way.

 

[cookyy2k]

I love how the OP actually knows what he is talking about, then everyone runs in going 'LOLZ YOU AR PRICK POHWICE R EBIL!!!!!!!!!'

yeah, is a usual internet reaction to such a situation.

 

[ScreamingNinja]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44800021/

So, a group of the Occupy Wall Street protestors decided, 'Hey. Let's make a Bank Run!' (For those who don't know what that is, it's when a bunch of people go to withdraw their money at the same time with the purpose of causing the bank to crash. This happens because the banks don't actually have large amounts of money in them. When you put money in the bank, they loan that money out to other people.)

When this happens on a wide scale, it's called a bank panic. Know what happened the last time a bank panic occurred? The Great Depression. And no, that wasn't coincidental. The bank panic directly caused the Great Depression because everyone attempting to withdraw money that didn't exist caused the economy to completely collapse. Which leads me to my point-

Crashing the economy would mean that the 99% will be the only ones who suffer. The people with obscene amounts of money will just ride through the inevitable rampant inflation like nothing happened while everyone else loses everything because they can't afford $1,000 loafs of bread.

People keep bitching about police brutality that isn't even happening. Maybe the police actually do need to start beating some sense into these people.

first off, the plan was to remove their money from the main banks, then invest it into smaller community banks that are not corporations in disguise.

The mere act of people withdrawing such sums from their banks proves they no longer have faith in the banks. Community Banks on the other end, Banks that have no affiliation with the major ones, would thrive.

Please, before you start shouting how "retarded" people are, you would do well to make a solid argument in the first place.


Secondly:





Police brutality not happening?

Truth, it offends you, yeah?

Yeah, see, I got no problem with the Cops chucking people on the ground to arrest them. But when you end up yanking them by the hair, THROUGH the barrier they've put up to stop people getting through, so they can be chucked on the ground and arrested.. That shit's too far. O_O

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Ok, so I guess I completely missed the point of this thread with the opinion-based looking description of the cause of the great depression. People withdrew money from the bank to try and get them to run out of money? And people taking money own of banks didn't cause the great depression. There were a number of things that caused it, and that most likely just made it worse.

 

[bue519]

It's like human reponses are scripted. Protestors are argued for, against, the inherent failures of both sides are explained in great detail and whilst you're busying going "I'm right because of this" it just goes on.
Perhaps your time would be better served at looking why the situation is going whatever way and how you might steer it in such a way that progress might be achieved?

Shut up hippie!
Just kidding, your way makes the most sense but people don't usually come to the internet to have an informed discussion. Civility is for nerds.

 

[Da Orky Man]

How am I giving the police a bad name? The only thing I'm pointing out is that it isn't as one-sided as people think. If someone punches a police officer, they have a right to defend themselves, with pepper spray or without. 'Police brutality' is exceedingly rare.

No one is saying they don?t have the right to defend themselves but what they aren?t allowed to do is attack people without provocation and reason. And if you really think that cases of police brutality are rare all you need to do is look on google or even just here on the escapist we have plenty of threads . people are getting hit , pepper sprayed and even run over by motorcycles ???

As for why I think you shouldn?t be a cop. as someone who was part of the army police force ( for a short while) I can tell you that (at least here) you are only allowed to use minimal force ( just slightly above the person who is attacking you. just enough to stop him nothing else ) and you are only allowed to use force if the attack was meant to harm you . so when it comes to ground control in protests you are expected to understand that sometimes you may be struck by accident and are not allowed to start randomly hitting people because some guy bumped into you

The few cases of actual police brutality we see are few and far between. They're incredibly rare here in the UK. Even with hyperactive media and the recent-ish London Riots we only saw about three cases appear. At least two of those were later repealed after the video footage was actually seen. This was during a violent protest with thousands of police being called to London, at least tens of thousands of protesters.
However, I don't know the figures where you live, Israel, if your profile is to be believed.

If someone does indeed punch you, then pepper spray is of suitable use. It temporarily blinds you so they can't hit you again. If anything, a retaliatory punch intended to prevent them from hitting you again is much more dangerous. In the heat of a protest, you can't realistically tell the difference between an accidental shove and an actual punch.

 

[Lilani]

-snip-

I just went to a university computer lab located in the downtown sector of my city, and I saw a Guy Fawkes mask outline with the word "OCCUPY" below it spray-painted on the ground just before you enter the building. Needless to say, my respect for this whole occupy movement is quickly slipping away. I understand the point they started out trying to make, but like the riots in London, the bulk of their supporters are forgetting their original mission and rules of engagement. They seem to be very against having a central hierarchy to answer to, trying to uphold their "by the people, for the people" stance, but if they want to get anything done and be taken seriously they're going to have to take themselves seriously and get some leadership in order.

 

[Zoe Castillo]

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[luke10123]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44800021/
Maybe the police actually do need to start beating some sense into these people.

Not going to argue that a lot of these folk could use a slap but these days even the tiniest bump or scrape means another lawsuit, that's not going to do local government any good at all.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44800021/

So, a group of the Occupy Wall Street protestors decided, 'Hey. Let's make a Bank Run!' (For those who don't know what that is, it's when a bunch of people go to withdraw their money at the same time with the purpose of causing the bank to crash. This happens because the banks don't actually have large amounts of money in them. When you put money in the bank, they loan that money out to other people.)

When this happens on a wide scale, it's called a bank panic. Know what happened the last time a bank panic occurred? The Great Depression. And no, that wasn't coincidental. The bank panic directly caused the Great Depression because everyone attempting to withdraw money that didn't exist caused the economy to completely collapse. Which leads me to my point-

Crashing the economy would mean that the 99% will be the only ones who suffer. The people with obscene amounts of money will just ride through the inevitable rampant inflation like nothing happened while everyone else loses everything because they can't afford $1,000 loafs of bread.

People keep bitching about police brutality that isn't even happening. Maybe the police actually do need to start beating some sense into these people.

WOW @ your last statement. Maybe some one should start beating some sense into you. How's that sound?

"Police brutality that isn't even happening"? Have you even been to a protest yet? What does it take to qualify as police brutality? Is everything below torture acceptable?

I'm not even going to dignify your actual point with a response as you show a general lack of knowledge about the Great Depression. There was a lot more to it, and it was much more about the rich people at the top taking their money out (possibly just to fuck with the market and cause the crash), not the pissed of work-a-days at the bottom.

 

[Da Orky Man]

How am I giving the police a bad name? The only thing I'm pointing out is that it isn't as one-sided as people think. If someone punches a police officer, they have a right to defend themselves, with pepper spray or without. 'Police brutality' is exceedingly rare.

No one is saying they don?t have the right to defend themselves but what they aren?t allowed to do is attack people without provocation and reason. And if you really think that cases of police brutality are rare all you need to do is look on google or even just here on the escapist we have plenty of threads . people are getting hit , pepper sprayed and even run over by motorcycles ???

As for why I think you shouldn?t be a cop. as someone who was part of the army police force ( for a short while) I can tell you that (at least here) you are only allowed to use minimal force ( just slightly above the person who is attacking you. just enough to stop him nothing else ) and you are only allowed to use force if the attack was meant to harm you . so when it comes to ground control in protests you are expected to understand that sometimes you may be struck by accident and are not allowed to start randomly hitting people because some guy bumped into you

The few cases of actual police brutality we see are few and far between. They're incredibly rare here in the UK. Even with hyperactive media and the recent-ish London Riots we only saw about three cases appear. At least two of those were later repealed after the video footage was actually seen. This was during a violent protest with thousands of police being called to London, at least tens of thousands of protesters.
However, I don't know the figures where you live, Israel, if your profile is to be believed.

If someone does indeed punch you, then pepper spray is of suitable use. It temporarily blinds you so they can't hit you again. If anything, a retaliatory punch intended to prevent them from hitting you again is much more dangerous. In the heat of a protest, you can't realistically tell the difference between an accidental shove and an actual punch.

I don?t know much about the situation in the UK
But when it comes to this protest people have provided plenty of videos and links to news stories of police abusing their power

Spoiler: copy pasta from someone else

And like I said cops should be expected to understand that sometimes you may be hit by a protester and the videos above show exactly how NOT to deal with such a situation

Each of those is from the same American protest. No disrespect towards America, but such acts are much rarer here. And here, that woman screaming 'Fascists! Fascists!' could be arrested for inciting hatred.

 

[Bebus]

Any British people remember that facebook group a few years back about buying carrots on a particular day? Anybody actually do it?

Yeah.

Bah, do it or don't, I am past caring.

 

[mike1921]

Police brutality that isnt actually happening?

LOL. Just laugh out fucking loud. You are a thousand times more delusional than the stupidest wall street protester, OP.

Because obviously police aren't allowed to defend themselves. If someone hits them, they should stand there and do nothing.

The moped thing was staged. (And he wasn't a protestor. He was a legal observer)

The two women who were pepper sprayed...don't know the story behind that, but it's fucking pepper spray. You're fine after like half an hour.You get over it.

Call me when the police start firing live rounds into groups of protestors. Then we'll talk.

You get over it.
The Pain. The Humiliantion, The fact that the people that are supposed to protect you hurt you.
Stop being a prick and realize that physical harm is not something to be taken lighly.
A woman sued McDonalds for a hot coffe mug. And you disregard pepper spray?

Police are there to protect society as a whole, not individuals.

Not really sure why you brought up the McDonalds woman when I don't know ANYONE who doesn't think the case was fuckin' ridiculous. You order hot coffee, you get hot coffee. If you spill it on yourself, it's your own goddamn fault and you should take responsibility for that. It's not like a McDonalds employee ran out and dumped the coffee on her. Anyway...

Yes, I disregard pepper spray. I've been sprayed by it before, and yes, it stung really fucking bad (It's like if you went to a beach with shorts on a very windy day in your eyes), but it didn't cause any permanent damage. It's something you GET OVER.

If you assault a civilian who's not assaulting you or anyone else you should go to jail, whether you're a police officer or not and whether that's your job or not.

That case wasn't ridiculous the coffee was hot enough to need skin grafts to fix the damages and the coffee was too hot by about 50 degrees. It was mcdonalds fault it was hot enough to give third degree burns.

You seem to have no idea what a civilized society is. See, in a civilized society assault is assault and when you assault someone for no good reason you go to jail.

Although quite frankly I think cops, as enforcers for the law should be put up to higher standards than the rest of the populace and any crimes that a cop commits on duty should have much higher penalties than what any other person would get.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

It's a good way of proving the point that the banks are creating a false economy. Which is bad.

Spoken like a person who doesn't ever want to buy anything on credit. You didn't really want to own a house one day did you?

Maybe credit shouldn't exist. Maybe it's a failed invention. I mean it's only been around for what, like 60 years or so (at least in it's modern form), and frankly it seems like it's only caused strain on the economy. Too many people buying too much shit they can't afford. I think one of the more subtle side effects of credit is that sellers think that they can charge more for their stuff because people can afford it if they charge it and pay another company installments.

Imagine how much better the world would be if we weren't showering ourselves in excessive crap we only intend to pay for later. Down with excessive crap in general. How many storage spaces are there across this country filled with holiday decorations and other pointless crap that the owner of the space doesn't even want to look at? Now how many homeless people do you suppose you could fit into all those unused spaces?

Credit leads to false wealth, and wealth in any form leads to excessive greed.

 

[jago107]

Im not going to pretend to understand economics (because I don?t ) but from what ive seen police brutality is happening. so if you lie about that why should I believe anything else you say?

also yes a large scale withdraw is a bad, bad idea .

Police brutality is when they kidnap and torture you for weeks. It's not when someone gets pushed back because they tried to punch a police officer.

You are so wrong, it's not even funny. Police brutality is not just them kidnapping you and torturing you for weeks. In fact, if a group of police was found to be torturing someone for any length of time, they would all probably be fired and brought up on charges themselves, because torture is completely illegal, unless you work for the Feds or the military.

Police brutality is ANY time they abuse their power by assaulting someone. Rodney King, THAT was police brutality and it didn't last for weeks. It only lasted a few minutes but it was still an extreme case of police brutality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESNuvQ_o-G0&list=LL7QCo7cpVlHs6NaWU8Se9jA&index=11

There's a case talked about in this video from July (skip to 5:34). THAT is police brutality. The case of the girls being pepper sprayed is police brutality.

And as for the discussion on the great depression and bank runs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg

Skip to 4:50 or better yet, just watch the whole thing. I promise you'll have a better understanding of our economy.

 

[Brian Hendershot]

I can't believe I am about to do this but...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-types-wall-street-protesters-hurting-their-own-cause/

Gladstone gets it.

Anyhow OP, police brutality is always a bad idea. Just saying.