It's only sexist when Men do it?

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Sizzle Montyjing

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Is this what it's like?
Is it different?
What do you think?
I beleive he makes some good points, although some of its over the top.

EDIT: And yes, he does swear FAR too much in this video, and yes, Sharon Osbourne should cut off her tongue for the inexcusible bile that came out of her mouth.
 

No_Remainders

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He makes some decent points. If men did laugh at a woman being mutilated, there would be RIOTS.

These fucking idiots laugh at a guy having his penis chopped off? Apparently that's ok.

It's because feminist movements, while some claim to be pro-equality, are only really pro-equality for women.

I don't even think some of this is over the top. I think he's got valid points throughout the video.

Until now I hadn't actually seen any of the clip of the women talking about it, but Sharon Osbourne saying that it'd be different if a man chopped a woman's breasts off is horrible. I had no respect for her before and now I just fucking hate her.
 

Wolfram23

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It's somewhat ironic that he drops some racism about Iran

*Edit2: Well anyway... people really love to argue and nit pick over silly things on these forums...
 

TriGGeR_HaPPy

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I'm not sure why he keeps bringing up Iran the way he does, and I can "take feminism seriously".
But otherwise, yes. Those were pretty much my exact thoughts after both of those stories.
 

Talydia

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Double standards ftw? I hate them in general and get a kick out of calling people on them

No_Remainders said:
It's because feminist movements, while some claim to be pro-equality, are only really pro-equality for women.
definitely agree on that, it and other movements have been hijacked for more political ends rather than what they were started for.

Wolfram01 said:
It's somewhat ironic that he drops some racism about Iran
Not particularly, they were going to stone a woman to death for having an affair last year. A bit of a generalization about them sure, but not really ironic.
 

MiracleOfSound

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I don't always agree with the Amazing Atheist, but I always find him entertaining.

His Transformers review is hilarious.
 

Dags90

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My thoughts:
1.) I'm not watching a 6 minute video to participate in an thread, OP.
2.) No, it's not.
3.) Anyone can call them self a feminist, so if you get distracted by crazy people who call themselves feminists, you might as well go claiming Christians are the WBC or Muslims are all radicals to be consistent. Or you can use your brain to discriminate between "radical" feminists and "mainstream" feminist.
4.)It's not that feminists are hypocrites, it's that they're usually people. People are hypocritical and inconsistent.
5.) We've had a thread on this subject already.
 

The Wykydtron

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"Corrective rape! It's Justice!"

Gotta admit i lol'd pretty hard

Anyway on topic, i do hate the double standard he's taking about, his points do seem pretty valid.

So yeah nice, interesting video. Thanks for sharing OP!
 

Lilani

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Eh, saw this in another thread not long ago (but it was another dude railing against it). But you couldn't have known that (I think it went by a strange title) so on with the show!

I think most of the ladies handled it pretty well, mentioning the gender difference. And I think they summed it up pretty nicely: No, it wouldn't be as funny if it was a guy wrecking a girl, and it probably does have something to do with the nature of the organ. The penis is inherently a more comical sexual organ than the vagina. It has a simple, definite shape, it's external, and it has motion. There's a reason comedians talk about penises a hell of a lot more than vaginas. They're just funny. Though I do wonder about that one lady who never fully admitted if she thinks the woman was in the wrong for doing that.

Breasts are sort of funny too, but violent behavior toward women is inherently less funny than violent behavior toward men. That is because of society, though. We're used to seeing men getting banged around all the time--barfights, westerns, ring fights, and all of those other manly tropes. But women? Oh, they're so defenseless! They're kind! They're gentle! They only act when provoked! Or at least that's what society has told us for the last few thousand years.

Call it what you want: sexism, reverse-sexism, bad TV. It's really no different than the whole "It's only racist when white people do it." thing. It all comes down to societal norms and stereotypes. And the only reason it's a problem now is because we think we are above those lines of thinking, which used to be "right" but we now call ignorant, hateful, and bigoted. But the fact of the matter is we aren't as far from these problems as we like to think we are. We think we've mastered those problems so well, to touch on similar problems would only disrupt the tenuous balance we've established. And because of that, nobody wants to break the ice and say that black-only scholarships aren't right, or that sexual harassment towards men is a serious matter that needs discussing.

So my solution? Get rid of all of those groups that support women's rights, men's rights, minority rights, and gay rights. And in their place, establish a group for HUMAN rights. Everybody has problems. Everybody gets looked down on sometimes for what they are. And to treat them separately is only treating the symptoms, not the cause. And the cause is closed-mindedness. We need ONE authority on equality, because in the end we want equality to be ONE thing across the board.
 

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I saw that episode of Forensic Files, and she really claimed that he had the gun she struggled for it and it went off and killed him. Obviously still bullshit, but juries aren't always the smartest people in the world.
 

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Its just like how there was a thread the other night about how Jim called this girl a ****. And that was supposedly bad, even though she started the whole mess. Violence against any person's sexual organs shouldn't be laughed at. And people shouldnt hold double standards for women. I think it truly sets us back as humans.
 

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I wold take him more seriously if he stoped saying "fuck" and scream, but I understand his point and I agree, if the situation that he described happened people wold go berseker mode.
 

Sizzle Montyjing

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Wolfram01 said:
It's somewhat ironic that he drops some racism about Iran
Yeah, i had a problem with that.
That's what i meant by 'over the top'.
Plus the shouting, it was like he was grabbing me by the throat and calling me a dick.
Dags90 said:
Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess!
;P
And i do recall it being done before, it's just that this vid has surfaced recently and its some more insight.
 

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The thing people don't understand is that this kind of behaviour isn't a result of the feminist movement. The modern feminist movement isn't about gender equality as much as it is about re-examining the concept of gender itself. This kind of behaviour is around because of the lopsided status of gender roles. Men are seen as dominant and aggressive, while women are seen as passive. Given such a view, a woman who attacks the focus of maleness and male power, the penis, is an inversion of the gender roles and an attack on the masculine. If people treat this with humour, it isn't "sexist", it is actually conforming to a traditional concept of gender.

Who here has seen a mongoose attack and kill a viper? It's equal parts awesome and hilarious. Vipers, deadly snakes almost instinctually feared by humans, is being attacked an killed by a furry creature that looks like a ferret. The actual killing of the viper is as brutal s anything else in the animal kingdom, but wee see it differently given our relationship to snakes and small, furry creatures. A man brutalizing a woman is an abuse of the passive woman by an overly dominant male, and a woman striking back strikes at masculine dominance itself. Is this treatment of two nearly similar attacks fair? No, but it is treated differently because of the gendering of biological sex. Sexism isn't just oppression of women; it restricts both men and women in how they can express themselves and are perceived by others.
 

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Sizzle Montyjing said:
Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess!
;P
And i do recall it being done before, it's just that this vid has surfaced recently and its some more insight.
A formal apology will suffice, and why not just post the video in the aforementioned thread?

Badge farming?
 

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TriGGeR_HaPPy said:
I'm not sure why he keeps bringing up Iran the way he does, and I can "take feminism seriously".
But otherwise, yes. Those were pretty much my exact thoughts after both of those stories.
He probably brings up Iran in the context of genital mutilation because, while it is more widely known to happen in some African countries, female circumcision is said to occur in Iran.

And yeah,feminists are often the Queens of double standards.
 

William Keller

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Unfortunately, after two hundred years we are still the drab, monotonous, single-minded society we have always been. No matter how many feminist or leftist movements take place, some things will most probably never change. And I'm referring to some stereotypical behavioural patterns that are prevalent today as they were in the 19th century:

Men = Strong, Women = Weak.

There you have it, sexism in a nutshell. Men are strong, so it's funny when they are hurt or mutilated. Women are weak, so there must always be someone (or even a whole society) supporting them in their every move. Honestly, I feel that I am treated unfair in many situations, simply because I am a man. At least in my society (modern-day Greece), ANYTHING a woman does is good.

So, yes, I do believe that sexism, while being an attitude of both genders, is only regarded as negative when men do it.

Don't you remember the "Boys are stupid..." T-shirts a few years ago? Everyone thought it was funny. What if those T-shirts were aimed against women?

No_Remainders said:
...there would be RIOTS.
 

Avistew

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I had to stop pretty early on. First, because he swears too much for my taste and it makes me pretty uncomfortable, but mostly because it was rather horrible. I stopped when a clip started to show of the video he mentioned. No way I'm watching that. Hearing about the events is horrible, I'm not watching some stupid women laugh about it.

I think they should be fired if it hasn't been done yet, and that it's outrageous on their part, first for thinking it's funny, and secondly for blaming the victim.

Sadly, because women have been discriminated so much in the past, and in some places still are, and are generally considered weaker, there seems to be some kind of instinct for a lot of people to see the woman as the victim when there is a conflict between a man and a woman. If he hits her, he's a jerk, if she hits him, he must have done something terrible, he's a jerk, to name one such double-standard.
Blaming the victim is always a pretty terrible thing to do, and I hate when it's done.

I haven't listened to the rest of the video so I don't know what his points are, but I agree that there are many double standards. Sexism still exists both ways. Females are still paid less for the same job on average, but men are much less likely to obtain the guard of their kids for the same situation for instance. Both are unfair, one towards men, one towards women.

I think it's important to be careful not to fall into that trap. For that, in such cases, always wonder "if the genders were reversed, would I feel the same way?" and be honest with yourself. If you'd feel noticeably different, then you might be a total hypocrite.
 

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How strange that a white middle-aged male can talk of being oppressed, and I believe him... While middle-aged males cannot talk about anything without some group getting pissed off.
 

Sizzle Montyjing

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Dags90 said:
Sizzle Montyjing said:
Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess!
;P
And i do recall it being done before, it's just that this vid has surfaced recently and its some more insight.
A formal apology will suffice, and why not just post the video in the aforementioned thread?

Badge farming?
Meh, old threads hardly ever revive.
It would be like pissing in the wind...
...
and what made you think i was badge farming? *shifty eyes* Okay, a bit...
but i am genuinely interested.

Avistew said:
I had to stop pretty early on. First, because he swears too much for my taste and it makes me pretty uncomfortable.
Yeah, i felt it was a bit too... 'strong' as well.
Plus i didn't like the stuff about how men should be allowed to laugh, simply because other people do.
Nobody should laugh about things like that.