My friend gets every one of his games for free on his PC, pretty much on release day. And I'm talking all the best AAAs, not just low budget or indie games.Attack__cat said:
It's probably pc gamers own fault games are becoming console oriented.
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PC gamers don't always insist on the best graphics possible. World Of Warcraft is a hugely popular game and it's set up to run on just about any PC. And just look at the incredibly popular Minecraft to see graphics that would have been considered low-fi last generation.
The real graphical arms race has always (and still is) taken place in first person shooters. There are currently two companies that are really pushing for more powerful consoles and both of them made their name bringing PCs to their knees. Epic and Crytech. Both were developing next gen engines on spec, because they want their games to look the absolute best they can.
Just about everyone else, they rise up to about whatever level is considered acceptable for their genre. A lot of PC gamers were happy playing games with lots of details turned down or off, because it has always been about the games.
The real graphical arms race has always (and still is) taken place in first person shooters. There are currently two companies that are really pushing for more powerful consoles and both of them made their name bringing PCs to their knees. Epic and Crytech. Both were developing next gen engines on spec, because they want their games to look the absolute best they can.
Just about everyone else, they rise up to about whatever level is considered acceptable for their genre. A lot of PC gamers were happy playing games with lots of details turned down or off, because it has always been about the games.
Sorry, I couldn't resist. Minecraft doesn't have bad graphics, it has low-resolution textures. And it still manages to look good.JoshGod said:
OT: Everything I wanted to say has already been said, so I'll just leave now.
Why does the thread reads to me like "Its the fault of consoles that gaming is not evolving and we are going to the same place where we started(Atari 2600)"
There are thousands of sales to be made in PC gaming. All you need to do is make your game have shit graphics and fun gameplay so that every machine can run it. If you make it too graphically intensive then you would face the problem that Crysis did but if your game is graphically not so intensive then everyone can run it and enjoy it. Heck if you want to avoid the "Bad Graphics" criticism then just make it so that at the lowest setting, almost any recent system can run the game. This is something bethedsa seems to fail to achieve everytime. Their games are so badly optimized that even on a behemoth of a PC the game will lag if there are more than 5 NPCs on the screen. You cannot blame the consumer for being actually smart can you now?
There are thousands of sales to be made in PC gaming. All you need to do is make your game have shit graphics and fun gameplay so that every machine can run it. If you make it too graphically intensive then you would face the problem that Crysis did but if your game is graphically not so intensive then everyone can run it and enjoy it. Heck if you want to avoid the "Bad Graphics" criticism then just make it so that at the lowest setting, almost any recent system can run the game. This is something bethedsa seems to fail to achieve everytime. Their games are so badly optimized that even on a behemoth of a PC the game will lag if there are more than 5 NPCs on the screen. You cannot blame the consumer for being actually smart can you now?
Better graphics aren't going to increase the production costs that much. Actually optimizing the games for consoles is more costly than giving a PC game better graphics.
But yeah its not a big mystery why devs are moving towards consoles, its a bigger market since theres a lot more piracy on PC gaming. And the PC crowd who actually buy their games is very tiny compared to the console crowd, not to mention that they pay more for their games. Its not actually the (honest) PC gamers fault that this is happening, its just the way it is.
But yeah its not a big mystery why devs are moving towards consoles, its a bigger market since theres a lot more piracy on PC gaming. And the PC crowd who actually buy their games is very tiny compared to the console crowd, not to mention that they pay more for their games. Its not actually the (honest) PC gamers fault that this is happening, its just the way it is.
No.
It's the complexity of the architecture that greatly increases development costs and effort for the PC. This drives developers to consoles, and have to make use of their limited controls. Yes indeedy, the dual stick controller is no substitute for the mouse and keyboard.
Also, there is less piracy or perceived less piracy on consoles. So, to the degree that PC gamers pirate games, maybe your point is valid, but if console gamers could pirate games as easy as PC gamers can, then the problem would be at least as big if not bigger there.
It's the complexity of the architecture that greatly increases development costs and effort for the PC. This drives developers to consoles, and have to make use of their limited controls. Yes indeedy, the dual stick controller is no substitute for the mouse and keyboard.
Also, there is less piracy or perceived less piracy on consoles. So, to the degree that PC gamers pirate games, maybe your point is valid, but if console gamers could pirate games as easy as PC gamers can, then the problem would be at least as big if not bigger there.
Yeah but it's better then consoles where every player is a dumb 12 year old playing Call of Duty and Halo screaming over the mic. Stereotyping is fun! Most PC gamers I've talked to on forums are fairly polite and reasonable human beings just like most console players I've talked to. There are elitist jerks for all platforms. Honestly, I've seen more console players saying 360 is better then PS3 or PS3 is better then 360 then I've seen elitist PC gamers. And why would we blame ourselves just because some people think PC gaming is dead? It's fine, I just played it a few hours ago.RaikuFA said:
It can cost upwards of $100 million to develop a AAA title why would a developer or publisher who just dropped that amount of money limit the game to one platform unless they own it.
ive NEVER met a pc gamer who didnt threated to smash my head in because i didnt know what their favorite specs are. if i met some nice ones beforehand it most likely wont have me saying pc gaming is dead just saying pc gaming needs to be more open mindedCadaurny said:
Almost all post I have seen on the subject is about people being afraid that the game will have terrible controls on PC because of a console centric design, something that there are a lot of games that prove is a way real concern, not whether that console shouldn't get an awesome game.imnotparanoid said:
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