Sigh, let's keep this short.
A Smooth Criminal said:
the only time those builds don't work is when you don't know what you're doing, and after a thousand or so games, I'm able to build champions sensibly and well enough that I can make most builds work as long as it's within reason.
No offense, but I know guys with 1000-2000 games who are baddies.
A Smooth Criminal said:
Except that they do. AD Gragas has a lot of early game dominance because he can easily get over 100 AD at level 1, has a nice scaling spell while also having reasonable sustain.
AP Ezreal does more longe range damage than AD Ezreal.
AP Poppy can easily take 50% of someone's health with her Q.
You want lane dominance and sustain? Play Swain, play Rengar, play Trundle.
AP Ezreal does more long range damage than Ezreal?
Well, Play Lux or Xerath.
AP Poppy can take 50% of someone's hp with Q?
Q = Bonus Magic Damage: 20 / 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 (+ 60% AP) (+ 8% of target's maximum health)
Yeah, maybe if you let her afk farm for couple dozen minutes.
A Smooth Criminal said:
So AP Yi doesn't work, but Revive/teleport Karthus is 100% viable? Really?... Again, just because you haven't tried a build out in a real game, or you did bad in a bot game with a build doesn't mean it's not viable. Generally people with the unorthodox builds are the ones who carry. Everyone knows how to counter an AD tank Nasus, but no one knows how to counter an AP support tank Nasus. (an example of a build I haven't tried, before you start complaining that that's not viable too).
No one's looking to look like a 10000 elo 'pioneer of builds'. However when you play a game extensively, it's a LOT more fun when you do something new, different and interesting. And again, just because you can't play Gragas with attack damage doesn't mean that other people can't.
Also, Viktor? Viktor's hardly an unorthodox champion, and he's not hard to play. If you think Viktor's being adventurous with builds then you obviously don't play League for fun, and I think you should question why you're playing the game instead of complaining that people like me are using unrecognizable builds.
Nono, I'm being serious now, you think that the closest to trolling in League without actually trolling is playing Poppy and Viktor? I've heard a lot of dumb things in League but nothing close to that.
First of all, you can drop the "when you play extensively" and "I got over a thousand games, i know what I am doing" thing. It simply doesn't work.
AP Yi's problem is that it's about the nuke on Q but the cooldown is so obnoxious that after that he is just a wet paperbag. Even if a pro player manages to pull it off, doesn't mean it's viable in general. Or are you just playing it "as soon as a professional player does it"?
Teleport+Revive Karthus works. Karthus has good bases and his passive. Mind you, This Karthus build is not a direct AP carry build, it's just about controlling objectives. You can murder-suicide someone, revive, and teleport to the scene. Ta-dah, you got a 5vs4 situation and you can take objectives.
Viktor is underplayed, therefore he is something rather new considering that you rarely see him around.
I only gave you examples. Besides, what you presented wasn't "unorthodox and adventurous", it was "grab barbed wire and jam it up your ass". AKA pointless and idiotic.
A Smooth Criminal said:
No it isn't, because I said "Within the rules". I am also clearly referring to builds that are within reason, as I sense that you're going to start twisting my arguments around to saying that I'm promoting trolls in the game and want everyone to go mid in all of my games.
You don't win every game with your staple champions, you don't win every game with your strange builds.
We clearly seek for different things within the game. I have fun when I have to seriously try to beat my opponent and have a close game (whether it's a win or lose), you have fun when you do random shit amidst baddies.
We really shouldn't be arguing about this; this is why there is an elo system in both ranked and normals, so that people can have fun on their own level.