IW ruin MW2 online gameplay before it even releases. Updated.

[ldbmikey86]

Well, if you want concrete evidence of how *well* this system works, try Battlefield: Heroes.

Assuming that's what IW is going for...or I haven't been paying attention.
Anyway, that play now button, without the ability to see a server list is pretty damn frustrating at times. It's able to be gotten over, but there's really no excuse for not sticking with a tried and true formula. I would expect this from Treyarch, EA/Dice, but IW? C'mon...





C'mon....

 

[Slim-Shot]

God people are stupid. And by people, I mean console gamers. Do you guys even grasp the idea of clans or competitive gaming? (After asking that, I have to wonder if IW does either...)

How are clans supposed to practice or play together? They can't access a server with the required config...

How are competitions supposed to me run? Places like Gamerhub.co.nz or Gamearena.com.au can't host competitions because they can't even host the servers!

And what about Australia and New Zealand gamers? Is IW going to host servers down here, or are we going to try and play with 200+ pings to the States or Europe?

People BUY these games for the multiplayer. The single player campaign is nothing more than a pretty interactive training program for when you hit MP. If people want to play just for the SP - they'll download it, simple as that.

 

[Skizle]

To me it sounds like the hardcore PC gamers are complaining about this because IW is doing something different with their game than other FPS' on the PC. Just buu the game. If you dont like it then play something else. Also dont state the argument that "I put X amount of dollars on a gaming PC and i dont deserve this crap" if this game means that much to you to play that these changes are making you consider not playing it then buy a console, after all you do have the money if you can dump $800 on a graphics card and if you dont then buy a different game for the PC.

 

[Caliostro]

Well, if you want concrete evidence of how *well* this system works, try Battlefield: Heroes.

I'm sorry, but the internet lacks "tone"... I seriously hope that was sarcastic though, because if BF:H is anything is a good example of why this DOESN'T work.

 

[Skizle]

It's the same game! PS3 owners, 360 owners and PC owners ALL GOT THE SAME GAME LAST TIME! All that's happening now is that they're making sure it's exactly the same game. Please, get off your high horse.

Really?

Could you kindly point out to me where in the 360 or PS3 version I can start making or downloading mods? Or where can I change my settings for better visuals than the consoles can have (like higher resolution for instances), higher frame rates than consoles, or both? Could you show me where exactly, in the console versions, can I open the developer console and customize my server with cvars that fit my gaming preferences, like removing specific skills, weapons, changing number of players allowed and other settings besides the normal preset limitations, etc...?


...You can't? Well, I guess we didn't get the same version at all then. Go figure!

is the single player the same: yes.
does the multiplayer contain the same maps and weapons: yes
can you get owned: yes
can you own newbs: yes

conclusion: it is the same game, but the PC version has different options for gameplay to suet the player. Also you don't need mods to play a game. you can still enjoy the game without them

 

[Apocalypse Tank]

My argument is that the mp looks simply amazing. Who cares about the details when ITS FUN?

This is a console gamer. It is full of failure to understand how the modding, dedicated server and competitive gaming communities function and how this affects them.

So these things you've mentioned are necessary for every game ever written?
I've played an insane amount of RTS, Counter Strike, Team Fortress, and many others on the PC. I see no inferiority in a console gamer, and the game itself apparently dosen't matter to a pc gamer.
Who are you to say console gamers are failures?

 

[Caliostro]

is the single player the same: yes.
does the multiplayer contain the same maps and weapons: yes
can you get owned: yes
can you own newbs: yes

conclusion: it is the same game, but the PC version has different options for gameplay to suet the player. Also you don't need mods to play a game. you can still enjoy the game without them

By that logic a Fiat and a Ferrari are the same!

Do they both have wheels and an engine? Yes.
Do they serve to carry you from place A to place B? Yes.
Can you have a fatal accident in either? Yes.
Can you go fast in either? Yes.

Thus we conclude they're both just as good! They do have some MINOR differences, but who cares that the Ferrari drives like a dream, is safer, goes a lot faster and just generally looks and feels insanely better? That's besides the point right?

 

[jboking]

No mods or dedicated servers on a highly anticipated PC game. Just wow. What was their justification for this?

 

[Apocalypse Tank]

My argument is that the mp looks simply amazing. Who cares about the details when ITS FUN?

FUN is purely subjective. A the moment I would use the word SHIT.
No mods? Last time I checked it was the Frontlines mods that turned the usual grenadefest into something actually good. No dedicated servers? Oh boy, here comes the Overcrowd Train! Oh wait, I might need to stand in a queue to get into it. Sure is freedom of choice in here.
Plus the multi looks exactly the same like in CoD4.

Sorry, Apoc, but Activision ditched the concept of FUN long ago. Better save your cash for Modern Warfare 7, I've heard that there will be Stalingrad in there.

You should take into account that Activision had not even confirmed these facts yet. I dont see any reason as to why they would disable dedicated servers or mods. Furthermore, MW2's mp have such a large difference to MW1 that I cannot even name a sequel with an equivalent amount of improvements.

I am not a large fan of Treyarc, yet Activision seemed to be fairly innovative in their past titles. They've created convincing WW2 titles, create a class loadout systems, perks and in MW2 killstreak loadouts.

 

[Jupsto]

HAHA glad im a consol Gamer

you may be a "consol" gamer, but you got no soul.

 

[Pimppeter2]

I think they are just totally trying to piss of Pc gamers as a whole

 

[Jupsto]

Thanks for the info, I'm gonna pirate this game now.

Fucking Infinity Ward, trying to fuck over the PC market. Alot of the things they are taking away are the reasons why I prefer PC gaming. the challenge, Clan servers AND THE MODS!!! =[

*Takes MW 2 off my purchase list*

yeah well said. I'd consider piracy at this stage, if I could dl torrents at uni that is.

 

[Ignignokt]

Seems to be a lot of vindictive console gamers in here.

 

[Skizle]

is the single player the same: yes.
does the multiplayer contain the same maps and weapons: yes
can you get owned: yes
can you own newbs: yes

conclusion: it is the same game, but the PC version has different options for gameplay to suet the player. Also you don't need mods to play a game. you can still enjoy the game without them

By that logic a Fiat and a Ferrari are the same!

Do they both have wheels and an engine? Yes.
Do they serve to carry you from place A to place B? Yes.
Can you have a fatal accident in either? Yes.
Can you go fast in either? Yes.

Thus we conclude they're both just as good! They do have some MINOR differences, but who cares that the Ferrari drives like a dream, is safer, goes a lot faster and just generally looks and feels insanely better? That's besides the point right?

your compairing 2 completely different car companies to 2 different graphical versions of the same game. as well as relatively the same multiplayer experience. explain exactly how your analogy makes sence. Ferrari is a companies that makes cars for fast driving and great handling. not only that, but Ferrari provides their cars with top of the line parts that are finely tuned for these specific reasons. Fiats, when compared to this situation, are tuner cars. you have to TUNE your car to get the best results and more importantly the results you want.

 

[Wyes]

is the single player the same: yes.
does the multiplayer contain the same maps and weapons: yes
can you get owned: yes
can you own newbs: yes

conclusion: it is the same game, but the PC version has different options for gameplay to suet the player. Also you don't need mods to play a game. you can still enjoy the game without them

By that logic a Fiat and a Ferrari are the same!

Do they both have wheels and an engine? Yes.
Do they serve to carry you from place A to place B? Yes.
Can you have a fatal accident in either? Yes.
Can you go fast in either? Yes.

Thus we conclude they're both just as good! They do have some MINOR differences, but who cares that the Ferrari drives like a dream, is safer, goes a lot faster and just generally looks and feels insanely better? That's besides the point right?

your compairing 2 completely different car companies to 2 different graphical versions of the same game. as well as relatively the same multiplayer experience. explain exactly how your analogy makes sence. Ferrari is a companies that makes cars for fast driving and great handling. not only that, but Ferrari provides their cars with top of the line parts that are finely tuned for these specific reasons. Fiats, when compared to this situation, are tuner cars. you have to TUNE your car to get the best results and more importantly the results you want.

That analogy including your part actually seems to fit fairly well...

 

[Uncompetative]

Matchmaking system used to play with similarly ranked players

Well, it seems I was wrong to criticise it for not having Optimatch. Apologies.

Something of a silly assumption on my part.

 

[Pingieking]

is the single player the same: yes.
does the multiplayer contain the same maps and weapons: yes
can you get owned: yes
can you own newbs: yes

conclusion: it is the same game, but the PC version has different options for gameplay to suet the player. Also you don't need mods to play a game. you can still enjoy the game without them

By that logic a Fiat and a Ferrari are the same!

Do they both have wheels and an engine? Yes.
Do they serve to carry you from place A to place B? Yes.
Can you have a fatal accident in either? Yes.
Can you go fast in either? Yes.

Thus we conclude they're both just as good! They do have some MINOR differences, but who cares that the Ferrari drives like a dream, is safer, goes a lot faster and just generally looks and feels insanely better? That's besides the point right?

your compairing 2 completely different car companies to 2 different graphical versions of the same game. as well as relatively the same multiplayer experience. explain exactly how your analogy makes sence. Ferrari is a companies that makes cars for fast driving and great handling. not only that, but Ferrari provides their cars with top of the line parts that are finely tuned for these specific reasons. Fiats, when compared to this situation, are tuner cars. you have to TUNE your car to get the best results and more importantly the results you want.

I like how Skizle just proved Caliostro's point for him without realizing it. Ohh, the delicious irony.

But yeah, this marks one less sale for MW2. I imagine that Activision will probably ***** about the lack of sales on the PC version and make MW3 console only, not realizing that they were the ones to chased their own customers away. By taking out private servers, they basically broke 80% of the online parts of this game.
My standards for PC FPS are very high, and nothing short of absolute excellence will make the cut. MW was great; MW Mods on the other hand, are absolutely excellent. No more Mods? No reason for me to even play this thing.
Though I'm not personally too involved in competitive gaming, I have to wonder if the people in charge of making these policy decisions at IW/Activision actually know what they're doing. What a nice way to cancel a few thousand pre-orders for yourself.

HAHA glad im a consol Gamer

You either have no idea what's going on, or you're just one cynical person. I hope it's the latter because I love cynical people. But this is kind of like a person with 3 limbs laughing at a recent amputee.

 

[brumby]

Lemme get this straight:

IW has decided to use Steam and VAC servers to eliminate cheating and create more leveled playing experiences for the multiplayer instead of using Punkbuster, which is not doing it's job from what I've heard, and having thousands of privately-owned servers who will kick you off for not being in their clan?

Basically, IW is cracking down on cheating and making the game fair?

And it's ruined the game HOW?

Its true that PB has not always done its job.. and many PC gamers will agree that VAC is superior to PB. But having your own server and kicking out people for being idiots or not being in your clan is a small part of what makes PC multiplayer great.

If you want heavy anticheat rules, no mods, no swearing, no custom maps etc, or pretty much the same game that will get stale after a few months. Then you can easily play on a server that is being hosted by your local ISP. Here in Australia, there is well over 100 servers combined from the major ISPs. Or you could go play on your xbox 360.

And no mods or dedicated servers, means that modern warfare 2 won't be a professionally competitive game. So I'm confident that none of this is true.

 

[seanbon112]

Got worried there for a sec then I found out it was for the pc... its not like your forced to by the game. pc gamers you will live