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jackanderson

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Movie: Avatar
Director: James Cameron
Written By: James Cameron
Run Time: 2 hours 41 minutes
Studio: 20th Century Fox

OK, I need to get this out of the way first. My overall lack of impressiveness of 3D DOES factor into my verdict of Avatar. It's impossible for it not to. The movie has been touted as one of the major advancements in making 3D a viable format for creating movies in and, as such, makes it the main format to watch it in. And since I am still not fully sold on 3D, believing it to be a grandiose waste of everybody's time since it simply distracts from the film at hand, this was always going to give a negative impact on my enjoyment. But let's not dwell on 3D, I'll write about that at a later date. Once my glasses stop being embedded into my skull.

So then, Avatar. James Cameron has a lot riding on this. The man who gave us Terminator, Aliens, True Lies, The Abyss and Terminator 2 has exiled himself for the last decade after giving us Titanic, a movie that literally caused me to vomit on more than one occasion. Having spent this decade doing Jean Michel Cousteau's job, he's back with Dances With Sm... sorry... Avatar, a film that has a budget that totals higher than that of the gross domestic product of Ghana and Kenya combined and with expectation levels on the same sort of seriousness as those for Star Wars: Episode One. But does Avatar meet those expectations?

In short: not really. But it's still a good time at the movies, nonetheless.

The plot revolves around Jake Sully (Sam Worthington), a crippled Marine who enlists in the Avatar programme on the planet Pandora. You see, Earth's energy economy is in tatters (ooh, how current!) and these mineral rich doodads called (and I shit you not here) Unobtainium which are the key to solving all of Earth's problems are buried underneath the surface of Pandora. The only thing that stands between them and the mineral are the Na'vi, the blue skinned natives of Pandora who don't take too kindly to the humans mining their planet. The Avatars are half human half Na'vi hybrids who are assigned to gain the trust of the Na'vi and force them out. Jake, however, falls in love with a Na'vi girl called Neytiri (Zoe Salanda) and the Na'vi culture which soon forces him to question where his loyalties lie.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the basic plot and, yes, it's a story you've heard countless times before. But that's alright. For the last few years, Hollywood has been built on stealing and re-using ideas. Hell, they were going to make a movie out of Mark Ecko's Getting Up at one point for Christ's sake! So even if it has got the same basic plot as Dances With Wolves, there's plenty of opportunity for it to change up the formula and add something new.

Too bad it doesn't. This plot is insultingly predictable. There are no real twists, no real additions. It's as basic as they come which sadly made me care a lot less about the characters than I could've because I knew one hour before the end exactly what was going to happen.

It is a real shame because the acting ranges from good to superb. Sam Worthington is a very captivating hero able to convey a multitude of emotions at once. Zoe Salanda makes a fine love interest even when her crying sounds more like a constipated whale. Sigorney Weaver is interesting but at times slightly annoying as another scientist alongside Jake. Stephen Lang is well cast as the main-ish villain from which apparently nothing can kill him. But the weak link is Michelle Rodriguez who plays the same type of bad girl role she does in almost every movie she's ever been in and is only relevent and important in one section of the film's nearly 3 hour run time which makes it hard to care for her.

The film looks incredible. The huge sprawling vistas of Pandora and the wildlife that inhabit it are like nothing you've ever seen before. The night time scenes are without a shadow of a doubt the best looking with gorgeous colours and flickers of light dancing around the screen. Add in the quite often hard to tell apart CG and human characters and the visuals overall are like nature spunking in your mouth. The only time when there are problems visual wise, and there are, involves the poorly photoshopped humans inside CG mech suits when you're looking from the outside in. The stiff, jagged feel pulls you out of Pandora instantly. No Avatar shutdown needed.

But it is time that I come face to face with my main issue with Avatar and that is the much touted 3D. I promise that I will write about 3D at a later date but allow me to give you the bullet points. Before going into Avatar I was unsold on 3D. I find it a nuisense that adds nothing to movies in general. It doesn't suck you in, it doesn't improve a bad movie or make a great film shit, it does nothing. Well I'm delighted to say that after seeing Avatar my opinion on 3D has not altered in the slightest.

The movie does have a few cool scenes that look impressive and make clever use of the 3D tech, but they are few and very very very very very far between. Up used 3D as a way of giving depth to the film and a sense of position. Avatar rarely uses that, at least from what my lazy eyes can see. Midway through the movie I stopped noticing the 3D. This is exactly what I like about 3D, when it's not used for stupid 4th wall breaking bullshit in cheap slasher movies, but it's exactly why 3D shouldn't be needed in the first place. Nothing that 3D brings to the table can't be done in standard movies. All it needs is a little tinkering and a bit more care and attention to detail in order to suck you into the universe. That's it. Why waste so much time and money on a process that will add absolutely nothing to a movie except maybe give the gimmick crowd something to gawp at for a few minutes?

So it looks great and has some very good performances but is let down by an insultingly simplistic and predictable story and 3D bullshit. Why am I recommending you to go see this again? Because Avatar needs to be experienced. Reading these words and watching the trailers are not going to help you formulate a full opinion of the movie. I have no idea why I didn't enjoy this movie all that much. Maybe every reviewer and person who has seen this are fed a gas which makes them perceive glittery lights as on par with the Second Coming and me and my Dad are the only people immune to it. I don't know. But I do know that I am happy that I experienced it. I'm happy I sat down and watched this movie instead of spending my whole life wondering what this movie would've been like in it's natural habitat. Because, come on folks, we all know when it comes to DVD the 3D will be shit.

In summary, Avatar is a very good film. Not good enough to be great, but not bad enough to be just average. It's just a good film. Nothing more, nothing less. On the James Cameron Scale it is far better than Titanic but then again a barrel of sick was better than Titanic. However; Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss and the mighty Terminator 2 have absolutely nothing to worry about.

3 out of 5.
 

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Unfortunately.... I beg to differ. While I can see you point, this movie does something that few movie can fail to do, it could rely JUST on visuals and still be a good movie.
I-Robot was a movie that (at the time) had STUNNING visuals, and while the story was guessable, it was still an amazing movie for movie goers.

A lot of people fail to understand that a movie doesn't have to have a crazy Fight Club twist or an eerie Silence of the Lamb feel to make it good.

Avatar was one of the most fun movies I've seen this year. The visuals were amazing. The contrast of colors, the stark, beautiful landscape. These things alone can almost MAKE a movie.

The one thing that gets me, and I'm glad you didn't say, "It's Dances with Wolves", because that's a bunch of bull.


IF you give a movie a low rating because of plot.. then.. you must not like a lot of movies. Unfortunately, most movies this whole YEAR I've been able to guess.

I don't think this movie deserves a 3/5, no no. It deserves higher than a 60%. A guessable story, but there were many interesting things in there that were futuristic, fun and exciting.

I liked your review, but don't think the movie deserves a 3/5.
I'd give it a 8.5/10
 

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jackanderson said:
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My overall lack of impressiveness of 3D DOES factor into my verdict of Avatar.

....What?

Also, here's some of the summaries you made about the film....

jackanderson said:
But does Avatar meet those expectations?
In short: not really. But it's still a good time at the movies, nonetheless.




It's as basic as they come



I promise that I will write about 3D at a later date (already said that) but allow me to give you the bullet points. (You didn't give us any bullet points) Before going into Avatar I was unsold on 3D (already said that)

The movie does have a few cool scenes that look impressive and make clever use of the 3D tech (wait...you said it didn't improve the movie), Avatar rarely uses that, at least from what my lazy eyes can see (so now you're saying you don't have the correct eyes to properly view the film, but still expect us to take your opinion seriously?) .

Why am I recommending you to go see this again? (You're not.) Because Avatar needs to be experienced (Ah, so it's good) . Reading these words and watching the trailers are not going to help you formulate a full opinion of the movie (Reviews generally do help people formulate an opinion of the movie. You're doing it wrong.) I have no idea why I didn't enjoy this movie all that much (Perhaps because you didn't like it.) But I do know that I am happy that I experienced it.

In summary, Avatar is a very good film. Not good enough to be great (But still "absolutely needs to be experienced) ,

It's just a good film. Nothing more, nothing less.

3 out of 5.

(3 out of 5....but you need to see it)

Sorry to be critical here man but you need to solidify your thoughts on the movie and write a little less clunky, a lot of the sentences in there were cringe-inducing to read.
 

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soaringbiscuit said:
jackanderson said:
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My overall lack of impressiveness of 3D DOES factor into my verdict of Avatar.

....What?

Also, here's some of the summaries you made about the film....

jackanderson said:
But does Avatar meet those expectations?
In short: not really. But it's still a good time at the movies, nonetheless.




It's as basic as they come




I promise that I will write about 3D at a later date (already said that) but allow me to give you the bullet points. (You didn't give us any bullet points) Before going into Avatar I was unsold on 3D (already said that)

The movie does have a few cool scenes that look impressive and make clever use of the 3D tech (wait...you said it didn't improve the movie), Avatar rarely uses that, at least from what my lazy eyes can see (so now you're saying you don't have the correct eyes to properly view the film, but still expect us to take your opinion seriously?) .

Why am I recommending you to go see this again? (You're not.) Because Avatar needs to be experienced (Ah, so it's good) . Reading these words and watching the trailers are not going to help you formulate a full opinion of the movie (Reviews generally do help people formulate an opinion of the movie. You're doing it wrong.) I have no idea why I didn't enjoy this movie all that much (Perhaps because you didn't like it.) But I do know that I am happy that I experienced it.

In summary, Avatar is a very good film. Not good enough to be great (But still "absolutely needs to be experienced) ,

It's just a good film. Nothing more, nothing less.

3 out of 5.

(3 out of 5....but you need to see it)

Sorry to be critical here man but you need to solidify your thoughts on the movie and write a little less clunky, a lot of the sentences in there were cringe-inducing to read.

He has a point here. Were you watching this of an internet movie site?
 

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I was actually hoping for the game review. Definitley gonna see the movie though.
Did I need your average movie review to tell me that?
Hell no.
 

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I'm a little irked that no one (except me(that I've seen)) has compared Avatar with the old cartoon movie "Pocahantos"

Oh well.

If you want a Fight Club plot, go watch Fight club. If you want stunning visuals, go see a movie made by James Cameron.
 

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Well... dunno where to start, so here goes.

First of all, i really liked the movie, and it's one of the best movies i've seen this year,

3D, I can totally follow you there, fro th efirst hour or so, my eyes just hurt, it takes some time to get adjusted to (at least for some people) When it worked well, it was cool, but this is nothing th ethe one other movie i've seen in 3D. it was a movie made specifically to show off 3D a few years ago, like a documentary about sea-dinosaours. When i saw that movie, everyone and i mean EVERYONE in the cinema did at some point reach out, to try and tough the creatures that seemd to swim by the, and most people dodges when the big sea-monster thingy leapt out of teh water filmed from above, so it looke dliek it was coming right at your face.
Avatar didn't haev any of this, so the 3D part was a dissapointment to me as well.

As for looks otherwise, the movie as amazingly beautiful, even if you hated say dances with wolves' of pochahontas' plot, you can easily go watch this movie, cause it's the kind of movie that could've sucked sooo bad and still blow you away with it'as visuals (like transformers, only way better)

About the plot. I think i'm amongst the minority who isn't really bothered by the fact that it's old stories retold (you know which stories already) I mean, this goes for soooooo omany movies that theres hardly anything original. Both star-wars (original trilogy) LotR, harry potter, Matrix, Eragon etc. are cut from the same plot archetype, the young jedi/hobbit/wizard/hacker/boy who most become the chosen one and bring peace to teh galaxy/middle earth/the matrix/whatever. And theres shitloads of these movies.
You could prolly find other archetypes and list most movies under oen of those pretty easily as well.
Also, i honestly think peoples problem with how unoriginal a movie is is very based on how much it's talked about. I'll bet ya half teh people who thinks it's lame that it's like dancing with wolves in space wouldn't have been nothered at all, if it wasn't for their group-mentallity, and their need to agree with other peoples oppinions, so othe rpeople would in turn agree with them. This is teh same for games, just see how many people who knows as little about, say, halo as me (haven't palyed it) but can still say that it's the suxxors with a straight face, just cause every other tard says so.
 

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OK, I've held off responses long enough.

soaringbiscuit said:
I would like to thank you for your very constructive criticism. I will improve next time I post. If I post. However, my lazy eye thing was a jab at the fact the I need to wear glasses or else I literally can't see anything at all. So wearing glasses over my glasses probably doesn't help the movie much. I should probably have put that as a disclaimer.

The Atomic Irishman said:
He has a point here. Were you watching this of an internet movie site?
No. I went to see this in my local VUE cinema. Read my SoaringBiscuit response for everything else.

dududf said:
If you want a Fight Club plot, go watch Fight club. If you want stunning visuals, go see a movie made by James Cameron.
Allow me to direct you to Terminator, Terminator 2, Aliens, The Abyss... and pretty much every James Cameron film ever made (except Titanic obviously) and then try telling me that he can't also do plot. I'm not saying that I wanted endless clever twists, I just wanted something that is a lot less Baby's First Eco Message Movie.

Allow me to just explain to you all why I don't get 3D in two simple paragraphs.

The thing about 3D is that it's a gimmick. A trick. A hack. A pointless waste of time, space and money that adds absolutely nothing to a movie. You see, I'm not easily impressed. I don't find lots of flickery lights up on a screen or something flying at my face immediately entertaining. Unless it can be backed up and make me be surprised or utterly amazed then I am not sold on it. Toy Story may be revolutionary; but now that I'm older and not as impressed, all of that visual graft would have been for nothing if it didn't make me care about the characters. But it does and it's one of the greatest movies of all time.

But look at the opposite end of the spectrum, you get Avatar. A movie that looks absolutely superb and has some fine performances. But every single cent of those $237 million is wasted because I just do not give two shits about the characters. When the Na'vi forest is lit up by the evil humans (and they are portrayed as irredeemable Saturday Morning Cartoon levels of evil) I didn't feel sadness or defeat or anger or anything like that. I literally thought to myself, "Oh. So that's that then. Guess we're gonna finally get some action now or something." Then Zoe Salanda started crying like a whale and I began snickering.


So that's why I don't like Avatar all that much. Time has not been kind either and I already hate it more than when I saw it. So, retract that second to last paragraph and skip Avatar.

Sorry for the wall of text, but at least I got through it all without mentioning that god awful ending song! Oh.
 

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jackanderson said:
Disparagement of 3D, among other things.
I'm guessing you didn't actually see it in 3D, then, did you? I may be misinterpreting you, but that's the picture I'm getting. Which is a shame, because the 3D was subtle. That's what was so impressive, you barely noticed it was there but it slowly drew you in further; it immersed you, made the world feel that bit more real.
 

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Caimekaze said:
jackanderson said:
Disparagement of 3D, among other things.
I'm guessing you didn't actually see it in 3D, then, did you? I may be misinterpreting you, but that's the picture I'm getting. Which is a shame, because the 3D was subtle. That's what was so impressive, you barely noticed it was there but it slowly drew you in further; it immersed you, made the world feel that bit more real.
I did. But I still don't like 3D. Read my response post for full details. I need a lie down.
 

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jackanderson said:
On the James Cameron Scale it is far better than Titanic but then again a barrel of sick was better than Titanic.
You realise you lose a tonne of credibility right there. I can understand you personally not being a fan, and even I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it, however, I can at least acknowledge its a good movie, if not as great as everyone says.

The final scenes where every group has a different reaction to what's happenng, it really expressed the feelings of fear and desperation and how people's morals get tested in that kind of chaos. That part was impressive, regardless of what you feel about the rest of the film.
 

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jackanderson said:
OK, I've held off responses long enough.

soaringbiscuit said:
I would like to thank you for your very constructive criticism. I will improve next time I post. If I post. However, my lazy eye thing was a jab at the fact the I need to wear glasses or else I literally can't see anything at all. So wearing glasses over my glasses probably doesn't help the movie much. I should probably have put that as a disclaimer.

The Atomic Irishman said:
He has a point here. Were you watching this of an internet movie site?
No. I went to see this in my local VUE cinema. Read my SoaringBiscuit response for everything else.

dududf said:
If you want a Fight Club plot, go watch Fight club. If you want stunning visuals, go see a movie made by James Cameron.
Allow me to direct you to Terminator, Terminator 2, Aliens, The Abyss... and pretty much every James Cameron film ever made (except Titanic obviously) and then try telling me that he can't also do plot. I'm not saying that I wanted endless clever twists, I just wanted something that is a lot less Baby's First Eco Message Movie.

Allow me to just explain to you all why I don't get 3D in two simple paragraphs.

The thing about 3D is that it's a gimmick. A trick. A hack. A pointless waste of time, space and money that adds absolutely nothing to a movie. You see, I'm not easily impressed. I don't find lots of flickery lights up on a screen or something flying at my face immediately entertaining. Unless it can be backed up and make me be surprised or utterly amazed then I am not sold on it. Toy Story may be revolutionary; but now that I'm older and not as impressed, all of that visual graft would have been for nothing if it didn't make me care about the characters. But it does and it's one of the greatest movies of all time.

But look at the opposite end of the spectrum, you get Avatar. A movie that looks absolutely superb and has some fine performances. But every single cent of those $237 million is wasted because I just do not give two shits about the characters. When the Na'vi forest is lit up by the evil humans (and they are portrayed as irredeemable Saturday Morning Cartoon levels of evil) I didn't feel sadness or defeat or anger or anything like that. I literally thought to myself, "Oh. So that's that then. Guess we're gonna finally get some action now or something." Then Zoe Salanda started crying like a whale and I began snickering.


So that's why I don't like Avatar all that much. Time has not been kind either and I already hate it more than when I saw it. So, retract that second to last paragraph and skip Avatar.

Sorry for the wall of text, but at least I got through it all without mentioning that god awful ending song! Oh.
Im not sure that's what i call unimpressed. That or youre some sort of Elf out of Lord of the Rings. And if you didn't get the message that the whole movie tries to convey, sorry. Additionally. Im not sure what you watched for saturday morning cartoons, but im certain they never lit up a tree chock full of alien natives and barely batted an eyelash. Then again, Satruday villains have a style about things. Soy our comaprison is rather irrelevant. The only character than end up being paper thin is Bruce Nolan and in some respect grace Augistine. But the focus wasn't on them, they were supporting roles(keyword supporting.)

Your argument sounds like an attempt to write of the use of 3D as a hoax. [If you're referring to 3D glasses gimmick, then there was a giant misunderstanding here, if you're referring to the 3D environs and motion capture, then we're on track.] But 3D allows us to do things we physically can't do, and go places we cannot physically go yet. Thats not a waste of money, thats money well spent to give us a fresh experience rather than seeing easily identifiable locals and climes, wherein our familiarity with the place sort of hurts our new experiences. The goal of Avatar's CGI is to take us to an alien world, and present us with alien creatures that are only [remotely] like our own and humanoids to which we can relate in some degree, but not completely. Cameron wasn't deliberately trying to shock the audience. He was attempting to bring attention to what was going on in the film.

He only waited so long so he could do such things. Rather than release the movie in '94 when he actually wrote the script. He waited till he could carry the facial animations and body animations to such a level that they were near impossible to discern from real musculature. That way he could make you feel for these characters. But seeing as you didn't I cant change your mind, but I suggest you take a good look at the movie again.

As for the plot. Well, the plot is the "Going Native" type. And you could gripe to Cameron himself if you were that bothered with a storytelling designed to give an retrospection into how we treat our world.
 

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The Atomic Irishman said:
He only waited so long so he could do such things. Rather than release the movie in '94 when he actually wrote the script.
If Cameron wrote the plot around '94, then I can see how it got to be a trite, but true, message. It has been far more than decade.

I never liked 3D either, so I guess I'll opt for the 2D(if there is one) and just admire the pretty graphics. Thanks for the review Jack, it set my mind at ease.
 

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VanityGirl said:
A lot of people fail to understand that a movie doesn't have to have a crazy Fight Club twist or an eerie Silence of the Lamb feel to make it good.
This is true. However, a movie does require something like that to make it great. Avatar was good, but it was not great.

VanityGirl said:
Avatar was one of the most fun movies I've seen this year. The visuals were amazing. The contrast of colors, the stark, beautiful landscape. These things alone can almost MAKE a movie.
Key word right there, almost.

VanityGirl said:
The one thing that gets me, and I'm glad you didn't say, "It's Dances with Wolves", because that's a bunch of bull.
IF you give a movie a low rating because of plot.. then.. you must not like a lot of movies. Unfortunately, most movies this whole YEAR I've been able to guess.
Well, there is a reason people say "It's Dances with Wolves"; It is. The plots were interchangable. I have no problem with movies with bad plots, but they need a good plot if I am going to say "Alright this is a great movie."

VanityGirl said:
I don't think this movie deserves a 3/5, no no. It deserves higher than a 60%. A guessable story, but there were many interesting things in there that were futuristic, fun and exciting.
I agree with his rating: 10% good acting, 10% Good setting, 40% Amazing visuals. Originality or better plot would have improved the rating.

VanityGirl said:
I liked your review, but don't think the movie deserves a 3/5.
I'd give it a 8.5/10
How generous of you.