James Cameron Rips Into Piranha 3D
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Cameron is right that Piranha 3-D is the retarded brother in the movie biz. No Duh, James...that's the point. People didn't watch Snakes on the Plane for its gripping drama.
But him holding 3D up like it is the lost Ark of the Covenant of movies is starting to smell of Hollywood senility. Movies don't need a gimmick to sell tickets. Three weeks in and the movie Expendables is still selling seats(Ranked 3rd at this post, upset only by The Takers and Last Exorcism). Ensemble movies have a reputation of being low sellers at theaters and yet the 2 dimensional Expendables is breaking that boundary. Thanks to a fairly sound story and actors not hogging the spotlight.
People want a good plotline and a story that doesn't cause viewers to start looking at their watches. And much as what some here seem to say about Avatar, it doesn't slow down like Titanic did. But then again that movie never sped up. One would imagine that if the ship didn't sink and instead made it to port, it would have been a small blip on the ticket sales radar. I have my doubts it broke records because of the characters.
Anyway I digress. Mr. Cameron's rants about Pirahna 3-D are really smelling of anger towards other issues, and are speaking a little too much that maybe it is time James retired before he really goes downhill and takes a studio or two down with him.
But him holding 3D up like it is the lost Ark of the Covenant of movies is starting to smell of Hollywood senility. Movies don't need a gimmick to sell tickets. Three weeks in and the movie Expendables is still selling seats(Ranked 3rd at this post, upset only by The Takers and Last Exorcism). Ensemble movies have a reputation of being low sellers at theaters and yet the 2 dimensional Expendables is breaking that boundary. Thanks to a fairly sound story and actors not hogging the spotlight.
People want a good plotline and a story that doesn't cause viewers to start looking at their watches. And much as what some here seem to say about Avatar, it doesn't slow down like Titanic did. But then again that movie never sped up. One would imagine that if the ship didn't sink and instead made it to port, it would have been a small blip on the ticket sales radar. I have my doubts it broke records because of the characters.
Anyway I digress. Mr. Cameron's rants about Pirahna 3-D are really smelling of anger towards other issues, and are speaking a little too much that maybe it is time James retired before he really goes downhill and takes a studio or two down with him.
Yeah, when he makes something that's not scenery porn, I'll take his shots at use of 3-D seriously.Skuvnar said:
That gets me to thinking if I wasn't the only one who for the past two decades, upon hearing a movie had nudity, immediately and correctly determined that there was going to be only bare male ass featured.BehattedWanderer said:
Call me male (because I am), but I would like to see a renaissance of the boobs in movies. Lots of boobs.
It's funny he's talking about how Hollywood is going all crazy with the 3D, even though it's all his fault for bringing the craze back with Avatar.
The movie has 8 extra minutes of plot revealing movie that will, int he worlds of an Avatar supporter, "Tie up all loose ends of the movie, give you a more in depth look, and add to its fantastic story and plot that you cant understand becuase you see it as nothing moer then another 3D movie".BehattedWanderer said:
All I heard out of it is, "It is James Cameron's excuse to make more money so he can rival the mass and size of K2 (mount Everest) then burn it all to the ground and piss it out as he laughs at the poor who wish they could have that money."
Hmmm...I was going to come in here and defend Cameron's movies (even Titanic and Avatar), but I can see I'm clearly in the minority when it comes to the internet. Interesting how the most popular things are the most bashed, especially online.
That said, I happen to agree with Cameron only in the respect that I completely and utterly despise 3D films that simply use 3D as an excuse to throw shit at the audience. Say what you want about Avatar, but I'd say it's the first movie to date to really get 3D right.
That said, I happen to agree with Cameron only in the respect that I completely and utterly despise 3D films that simply use 3D as an excuse to throw shit at the audience. Say what you want about Avatar, but I'd say it's the first movie to date to really get 3D right.
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone actually considers 3D in movies to be some kind of revolution. It doesn't do crap for immersion and the glasses are always annoying as hell to wear.
...Can we get the man a medal? A gold star? How about a complimentary toaster? That's a brilliant idea. A movie where boobs are in the same scene as sophistication, plot, and relevance, instead of just gleefully shoehorned in? A movie, no, series of movies where the showing of a breast is not "cheap, pornographic thrills" but appropriate to show in a moment, as the appropriate culmination of passion and love and thrill? Where a post-coital topless smoke by shimmering lake as the sun sets is the pivotal moment, where a lead decides, in her freshly cleared mind, that the conflict of the movie is something worth dying for, and returns, triumphantly and charismatically, for the finish? How about a movie where a general rides atop her horse, and, in the rallying speech for her beleaguered troops, bares her breast before them, and says something like "Men! This is not my breast! This is the breast of every one of your women! This breast is the breast of our nation! And the menace before us seeks to take this breast from you! They would take what is ours, what we have fought for, what we have longed for, and what is there waiting for us! Ride with me, and help me protect this breast!" while sun gleams off of helmets, and people shout and cheer and ride forth, dramatically crushing the opposition. Where are these movies? When shall be the revolution of the breast?samsonguy920 said:
Oh, btw, a side note--it's a terrible idea to shoehorn a breast.
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...There were loose ends in Avatar? Seriously? What wasn't cleared up? Where they buried the dead soldiers?emeraldrafael said:
3D is just a new format that he was all too eager to take advantage of. Now he's ripping on other movies for taking advantage of the exact same technology. That's pretty pathetic in my opinion. Why wouldn't a modern film maker record in a format that's "hot" right now?
It is in my opinion that he's just annoyed because the story of Piranha isn't as "deep" as his story, since I think Avatar is what really helped put 3D on the map. But to hell with that, since Avatar was as two dimensional as the page of a book. Why not let any director of any film use whatever medium is available to make money? It worked perfectly well for him. It's hypocritical, I think. Anyone should be allowed to use available technology and profit or fail based on the content of the film. If it's marketed as a 3D film and *it works*, then it's made money and is successful. Complaining about anything else is pretty petty. And believe me, I care far more about a story than a spectacle (I have not seen, and have no intention to see, piranha...we made this movie a couple of times already, after all) but it's still a method available. Complaining about people using it is just stupid.
It is in my opinion that he's just annoyed because the story of Piranha isn't as "deep" as his story, since I think Avatar is what really helped put 3D on the map. But to hell with that, since Avatar was as two dimensional as the page of a book. Why not let any director of any film use whatever medium is available to make money? It worked perfectly well for him. It's hypocritical, I think. Anyone should be allowed to use available technology and profit or fail based on the content of the film. If it's marketed as a 3D film and *it works*, then it's made money and is successful. Complaining about anything else is pretty petty. And believe me, I care far more about a story than a spectacle (I have not seen, and have no intention to see, piranha...we made this movie a couple of times already, after all) but it's still a method available. Complaining about people using it is just stupid.
...Cameron says fresh off of the remake of the CG remake of Dances With Wolves starring blue alien cat people.
At least this movie is fully aware that it's trash. It's not some full-of-itself racial allegory thats moral is the deeply troublesome "the only thing to save these oppressed people from white people is another white dude".
I say this not from a defensive point of view, I've got no plan to watch Piranha 3d. I say this because Avatar was glorified junk.
At least this movie is fully aware that it's trash. It's not some full-of-itself racial allegory thats moral is the deeply troublesome "the only thing to save these oppressed people from white people is another white dude".
I say this not from a defensive point of view, I've got no plan to watch Piranha 3d. I say this because Avatar was glorified junk.
Actually 'Last Samurai' is a more accurate comparison. 'Dances with Wolves', less so.IronicBeet said:
Look, Avatar was no story telling hero, which in truth let me down a little because usually Cameron is better than that. That said, I'd rather watch Avatar again than watch say, Revenge of the Fallen again.
However, for all the internet complaining that Avatar was crap etc, remember this: Cameron set out to make his movie the way he wanted. He has lived the dream of seeing a vision to completion. It's a rare feat.
Doesn't mean he isn't a huge dick when the mood takes him though
Is everybody that posts on the Escapist a crotchety 85 year old person who thinks movies were best when they were silent and colorless? That's how this thread makes it look.
3D is a pretty cool little way to make a movie more immersive, if you have been to Disneyland you should have a good idea just how far the medium can go to draw you in. It's fun, it's cool and the only people who seem to really have a problem with it are (apparently) posting here. Not a revolution in the vein of adding sound or color but at least as revolutionary as surround sound or other "little" improvements.
What kind of screwed up vision must you have if it gives you a headache or you can't even see it? Seriously, a bunch of 85 year olds...
OT - I do agree that James Cameron is being asinine here, Pirhana 3D does look like a cheesy blast to enjoy with copious amounts of booze. I kind of want to go see it... tonight! And Step Up 3D's only mistake is to even bother having a movie. If they literally just said "Come and watch some of the countries best dancers do incredible dance numbers to sweet music for an hour with NO PLOT," I would go. Of course, I'm also a dancing fanatic.
3D is a pretty cool little way to make a movie more immersive, if you have been to Disneyland you should have a good idea just how far the medium can go to draw you in. It's fun, it's cool and the only people who seem to really have a problem with it are (apparently) posting here. Not a revolution in the vein of adding sound or color but at least as revolutionary as surround sound or other "little" improvements.
What kind of screwed up vision must you have if it gives you a headache or you can't even see it? Seriously, a bunch of 85 year olds...
OT - I do agree that James Cameron is being asinine here, Pirhana 3D does look like a cheesy blast to enjoy with copious amounts of booze. I kind of want to go see it... tonight! And Step Up 3D's only mistake is to even bother having a movie. If they literally just said "Come and watch some of the countries best dancers do incredible dance numbers to sweet music for an hour with NO PLOT," I would go. Of course, I'm also a dancing fanatic.