Japanophiles and the Internet

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Soviet Heavy

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Can someone explain to me why Japanophilia seems more prolific on the internet than adoration or fixations on other cultures? I understand the anime fandom's need for online exposure, but I'm talking more about their culture in general. Lots of memes and news updates on gaming sites in particular put a lot of focus on the island. Can someone explain to me why?

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Thanks for all the responses. Props go to J-e-f-f-e-r-s for his excellent analysis.
 

kurupt87

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I dunno. They tend to be anime lovers first, so I guess it's their way to feel closer to the anime.
 

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I have no idea, I want to say it`s some sort of self loathing escapism adapted from their hate and favourite nerdy medium or internet-subculture plus the anonymity and ability to converse solely with like minded individuals. So it`s like :"I hate America, where I live , what place would be cool to live in? Hey I like anime and jrpgs maybe it would be cool to live in Japan. Except I have no sense of commitment or responsibility so I'll just vent about it on the internet, of course I don't want anyone to think I'm weird so I'll do it with other people who do the same." It' just weird.
 

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Well we can't ignore Japan's influence in the video game's industry, which has been a big player in the growth of the internet, and of the current generation of 'users'.
 

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Probably because most memes originate from fans of anime, which mainly originate from Japan. I don't really understand it either, I'm quite interested in East Asian cultures in general but I'm under no illusion that they're some sort of paradise, Japan in particular suffers from racism, sexism, an overly harsh courts system and really backwards custody norms.
 
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*shrugs* Maybe these people just go "Oh, Japan is the land of anime and video games and gundams! that means EVERYTHING about Japan must be awesome!!"

Well, it's apparently not. A friend of mine who has studied Japan for a bit tells me that their social order is incredibly strict over there. (say...You walk in with jeans and a T-Shirt, and it's the time of day when businessmen in suits go to bars...You are not going to be treated nicely at all).

*shrug* Then again, I'm not that into japan culture, so i can't speak for them
 

aprildog18

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Do you mean weaboo? The only forum I go on is escapist and I don't see that much Japan fandom here, so I don't really know why people are so obsessed with Japan.
 

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Because contemporary Japanese culture has just enough Western influence to make it relatable as an exotic culture. Relatability + novelty = attraction.
 

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I'd say it's because it's unpopular and nerdy. People can't find anyone in person to talk to so they find others with similar interest on the internet. Gaming was the same way back in the day. Not to mention Japan made the best games back then, and still make good games now. Though asking that is kind of like walking into a designer store and wonder why everyone has such a fascination with cloths. People gather there because they're interested in the same thing. I bet if you went of more "normal" sites there would be less talk about Japan.
 

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It's most likely because a lot of people on the internet are geeks and nerds. Japan makes anime and is known for its videogames which geeks and nerds adore.

EDIT: I'm not excluding myself from this. I too am a geek and/or nerd ^_^
 

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because japanese culture, in addition to producing some very high quality material in terms or artistic merit, is so very different from american culture, so its got that exotic feel that everyone loves as well as just being good.
 

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TehCookie said:
I'd say it's because it's unpopular and nerdy. People can't find anyone in person to talk to so they find others with similar interest on the internet. Gaming was the same way back in the day. Not to mention Japan made the best games back then, and still make good games now. Though asking that is kind of like walking into a designer store and wonder why everyone has such a fascination with cloths. People gather there because they're interested in the same thing. I bet if you went of more "normal" sites there would be less talk about Japan.
j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
1) A lot of western culture comes from the same points of origins. France, Germany and Britain may all speak different languages, but we all use the same alphabet, and have invaded each other numerous times over history. America is a separate country from Europe, but it was settled by Europeans who brought their languages and customs with them. This means that there's a lot of cultural similarities among Western nations. Despite our differences, we share a lot of common history, and this results in a certain amount of conformity in terms of culture.

Japan, on the other hand, was practically unknown to the West until the 1700s, and only really began to open up to the rest of the world during the 20th Century. It isn't just a different culture to our cultures in the west. It's a culture where practically everything has a completely different historical origin to here in the West. Their architecture is different, being lightweight and easily replaceable due to how many typhoons and earthquakes they experience every year. Their religions are completely different, being utterly devoid of any Abrahamic influence. Their society was, and still is, different to ours in the West. Historically, Japan has had a far more structured hierarchy system than any Western country, and for anyone interested in anthropology, their history makes for an incredibly interesting read. Their language and system of writing is rooted on completely different ideas to our Romanised way of speaking, making use of component pieces to build words almost like lego bricks.

In short, for anyone interested in how culture and society works, Japan makes for an instantly clear contrast to how Western culture has evolved.

2) Japan produces a lot of anime.

Here in the West, we tend to produce cartoons for 2 purposes: comedy, and kid's entertainment. Even acclaimed cartoons like Batman: TAS are still aimed squarely at the under-14 demographic.

There is a demographic of people who want to both enjoy animated shows, and experience subject matter that is more adult and mature than what is typically on offer in the West. That's where anime comes in. Even the children's stuff tends to include greater amounts of mature content than Western cartoons: think of all the popular shows like Naruto and Bleach, and how much those shows actually focus on violence and death. And then there are the shows like Akira, Neon Genesis and Cowboy Bebop, which are not really aimed at kids at all, and are instead adult stories told through the medium of animation.

If Western companies produced more mature, story-focused cartoons, we'd probably see a swing away from anime. As it is, Western companies instead focus on the likes of Family Guy and South Park, opting to refrain from making cerebral shows about weighty subjects. For people who enjoy seeing animation, this makes Japanese anime a no-brainer for seeing more serious subject matter told through the medium.

3) Japan is a key player in videogames.

Quite simply, there was a period where Japan owned the videogame industry. During the 90s, every major console was developed by a Japanese company: Nintendo, Sega, or Sony. It wasn't until Microsoft released the Xbox that a western company stepped back in to make their own console.

This means that some of the most popular videogame franchises of all time are Japanese games that were released in America/Europe and managed to find fame. Mario, Final Fantasy, Sonic, Zelda, etc etc. There are successive generations of gamers who grew up playing Japanese-developed games on Japanese-produced consoles. Therefore, it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of these gamers are interested in the country that shaped the way they experienced gaming.
I don't usually quote to say this but.. THIS.

First of all, it's hard to find anime fans in real life. I have only 1 real life friend who watches anime. And it's even rarer to find someone who watches the same anime and who you can talk with about those anime.

I for once don't have any other real choice but to go on the internet and search for people with similar interests.
Gaming wasn't any different. Even now it's not really accepted to say openly "I'm a gamer!". People will still think that those things "make you evil and worship Satan the 2nd"... or was it first? Nevermind. The point is, everything that is rare and unusual in the real world will be vocal on the internet. You anonymous, you can talk about anything and if you write it on a forum, there is a big chance that you will encounter someone with similar interests.

My friends who are big soccer fans don't have any reason to talk about soccer over the internet. They will just talk to some other friends because the majority of people are soccer fans (in my country).

And then there is the huge impact that Japan had in the gaming world and the fact that anime are usually about heavier topics than just fun.
j-e-f-f-e-r-s' post is enough to explain that aspect.
 

Yureina

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Probably because Japanese culture can be relatively interesting. Sure, there is alot of bizzare stuff there too, but you can say the same for the USA as well with all those crazy TV shows and movies that many people are too embarrassed to admit that they watch.

In short... who cares if people like Japanese culture? (Some) Anime is pretty good after all! :eek:
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
1) A lot of western culture comes from the same points of origins. France, Germany and Britain may all speak different languages, but we all use the same alphabet, and have invaded each other numerous times over history. America is a separate country from Europe, but it was settled by Europeans who brought their languages and customs with them. This means that there's a lot of cultural similarities among Western nations. Despite our differences, we share a lot of common history, and this results in a certain amount of conformity in terms of culture.

Japan, on the other hand, was practically unknown to the West until the 1700s, and only really began to open up to the rest of the world during the 20th Century. It isn't just a different culture to our cultures in the west. It's a culture where practically everything has a completely different historical origin to here in the West. Their architecture is different, being lightweight and easily replaceable due to how many typhoons and earthquakes they experience every year. Their religions are completely different, being utterly devoid of any Abrahamic influence. Their society was, and still is, different to ours in the West. Historically, Japan has had a far more structured hierarchy system than any Western country, and for anyone interested in anthropology, their history makes for an incredibly interesting read. Their language and system of writing is rooted on completely different ideas to our Romanised way of speaking, making use of component pieces to build words almost like lego bricks.

In short, for anyone interested in how culture and society works, Japan makes for an instantly clear contrast to how Western culture has evolved.

2) Japan produces a lot of anime.

Here in the West, we tend to produce cartoons for 2 purposes: comedy, and kid's entertainment. Even acclaimed cartoons like Batman: TAS are still aimed squarely at the under-14 demographic.

There is a demographic of people who want to both enjoy animated shows, and experience subject matter that is more adult and mature than what is typically on offer in the West. That's where anime comes in. Even the children's stuff tends to include greater amounts of mature content than Western cartoons: think of all the popular shows like Naruto and Bleach, and how much those shows actually focus on violence and death. And then there are the shows like Akira, Neon Genesis and Cowboy Bebop, which are not really aimed at kids at all, and are instead adult stories told through the medium of animation.

If Western companies produced more mature, story-focused cartoons, we'd probably see a swing away from anime. As it is, Western companies instead focus on the likes of Family Guy and South Park, opting to refrain from making cerebral shows about weighty subjects. For people who enjoy seeing animation, this makes Japanese anime a no-brainer for seeing more serious subject matter told through the medium.

3) Japan is a key player in videogames.

Quite simply, there was a period where Japan owned the videogame industry. During the 90s, every major console was developed by a Japanese company: Nintendo, Sega, or Sony. It wasn't until Microsoft released the Xbox that a western company stepped back in to make their own console.

This means that some of the most popular videogame franchises of all time are Japanese games that were released in America/Europe and managed to find fame. Mario, Final Fantasy, Sonic, Zelda, etc etc. There are successive generations of gamers who grew up playing Japanese-developed games on Japanese-produced consoles. Therefore, it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of these gamers are interested in the country that shaped the way they experienced gaming.
This. I was going to say "Japan is really interesting because of how incredibly different they are" and go on to list what I like about Japan, but j-e-f-f-e-r-s beat me to it and said it better than I could ever hope to.
Nice ninja post sir, very nice.
 

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Hazy992 said:
It's most likely because a lot of people on the internet are geeks and nerds. Japan makes anime and is known for its videogames which geeks and nerds adore.

EDIT: I'm not excluding myself from this. I too am a geek and/or nerd ^_^
Geek culture is usually ostracised in public, which does lead us to hide in shame. Or move to the internet in shame.

Well, not me. I'm a social outcast and have no real problem with it.