Jedi vs others in new Star Wars MMO

[Pots]

In other threads I have seen a lot of people saying that they won't be a Jedi and that any of the other classes will be able to stand up to a Jedi in combat. I don't understand how people can say a normal class can stand up to a Jedi. I would like for someone to give me one scenario where soldier or whatever could take on a Jedi. I'm talking 1v1 and the Jedi isn't incapacitated in anyway.
I don't think it is possible but I will remain open minded.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Remember, these aren't chosen one jedi or protected by the protagonists powershield, they are mook jedi, nowhere near a Darth Vader, Obi Wan or Yoda, they die like bitches if you watch the movies. Clone troopers and Bounty Hunters are seen decimating the poor things, they can only be so skilled, as it only takes one blaster bolt to down them.

Directly reflecting laser bolts is a very advanced skill, one you don't see every Jedi pulling off. Not all of them can 'Have a bad feeling about this' and plenty of them aren't all that force or saber powerful.

Here's the scenario: Smuggler drops a flash grenade then shoots a heap of blaster fire right into the jedi's face before he even knows what's happening.

Luke Sywalker? Smuggler is dead.

Average Jedi? I sense a disturbance in the force, as if a single voice cried out 'wtf', and was suddenly silenced.

 

[Ridonculous_Ninja]

Remember, these aren't chosen one jedi or protected by the protagonists powershield, they are mook jedi, nowhere near a Darth Vader, Obi Wan or Yoda, they die like bitches if you watch the movies. Clone troopers and Bounty Hunters are seen decimating the poor things, they can only be so skilled, as it only takes one blaster bolt to down them.

Directly reflecting laser bolts is a very advanced skill, one you don't see every Jedi pulling off. Not all of them can 'Have a bad feeling about this' and plenty of them aren't all that force or saber powerful.

Here's the scenario: Smuggler drops a flash grenade then shoots a heap of blaster fire right into the jedi's face before he even knows what's happening.

Luke Sywalker? Smuggler is dead.

Average Jedi? I sense a disturbance in the force, as if a single voice cried out 'wtf', and was suddenly silenced.

Very True.

Until you think about the min-maxers who have +58 to deflection rolls and damage reduction...

Then the blaster classes are in trouble.

Edit: Just thinking completely in-game here.

 

[Pots]

Ultrajoe, I see what your saying about average Jedi but wouldn't that just mean low level Jedi? Are Jedi going just be really, really weak in the start but amazing at the end? Cause if a smuggler threw any type of grenade at me as a Jedi I would just force push the grenade and smuggler. Smuggler falls down, grenade lands between his legs.

 

[Spike815]

In other threads I have seen a lot of people saying that they won't be a Jedi and that any of the other classes will be able to stand up to a Jedi in combat. I don't understand how people can say a normal class can stand up to a Jedi. I would like for someone to give me one scenario where soldier or whatever could take on a Jedi. I'm talking 1v1 and the Jedi isn't incapacitated in anyway.
I don't think it is possible but I will remain open minded.

Jango Fett shot a Jedi in episode 2. Almost every Jedi was shot in the back in episode 3. How do you think the Empire got rid of them?

 

[Pots]

In other threads I have seen a lot of people saying that they won't be a Jedi and that any of the other classes will be able to stand up to a Jedi in combat. I don't understand how people can say a normal class can stand up to a Jedi. I would like for someone to give me one scenario where soldier or whatever could take on a Jedi. I'm talking 1v1 and the Jedi isn't incapacitated in anyway.
I don't think it is possible but I will remain open minded.

Jango Fett shot a Jedi in episode 2. Almost every Jedi was shot in the back in episode 3. How do you think the Empire got rid of them?

I understand that. In the game though a single blaster shot to the back isn't going to down someone.

 

[Khazoth]

Does anyone remember the advice HK gives on how to kill Jedi? He gives detailed instructions on how anyone can kill a jedi.


Ex: Grenades

Edit: Oh, guess someone did.. Like the poster above me.

 

[Fire Daemon]

In Episode II Jengo Fett kills a few Jedi before he was taken down and beats Obi-Wan in a one on one fight. A few droids also take down some Jedi and those things are pretty stupid.

Jedi aren't going to be over-powered.

 

[imperialwar]

Well i don't know much about a Jedi MMO or the book game rules. But i would say Luke Skywalker and the "elite" Jedi have taken a few class perks along the way to enhance their capabilities, rather then just being a straight of the assembly line leveled Jedi. As in Luke and the "elite" are PC's that have been given a few in game advantages by the DM and the rest are just batch NPCs.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

All you need to know.

This.. although I disagree with the thought of there being "chosen one" jedi and the rest are just useless. Honestly most jedi are probably more than a match for any situation, it's just that the story we have watched are not about them.

Really i always felt that the biggest failing of the prequel movies was the WAY in which the Jedi were betrayed. It just completely ruined how I understood Palpatine's rise to power especially with scenes of powerful jedi masters turning around to face their clone troopers with a confused look on their faces before being blown away. I just found it hard to believe that these troops who had followed and even befriended some jedi leaders would just casually turn on them due to a single order, that NO jedi ever knew about. This was never leaked even by Clone troopers like Cody who was deep friends with Obi Wan and Anakin.
And I seriously doubt a handful of clone troopers could defeat Kit Fisto.

I just chalk it up to weak story telling and honestly I think it's Lucas' biggest mistake... In Star Wars original trilogy, we were enamored by the Jedi, seeing them as this awesome force and power to behold in the galaxy and only assumed they were hunted down and wiped out by a stronger, more evil Jedi Darth Vader.

Then the prequels come along and crap all over that... first it depicts Jedi as being super awesome, and then wipes them away in some cheap fashion. Anakin turns to the darkside like he's making a decision as casual as which tie to wear with his cloak. It was all very cheap and weak, and I have always felt Lucas did his star wars universe a severe injustice with that aspect of the Prequels.

 

[Khazoth]

Okay, let me go on a rant here.


Most of the games and movies you see feature POWERFUL jedi, notice the Jedi in the temple were killed by republic soldiers and Anakin Skywalker. An army of your generic cannon-fodder jedi were decimated by republic troopers and one jedi. You will not be as powerful as Revan, you will not be as powerful as the Exile, for fucks sake you won't be as strong as any of those padawans they inserted in that anime series under Anakin Skywalkers training.


You will be a generic, cannon fodder jedi that even Atton Rand, Carth Onasi, or Han Solo could take down single handedly. The problem is that most people don't get to see cannon fodder Jedi, like, ever. Play Star Wars Battlefront 2 and then understand how easily they are to kill. Jedi don't fare so well against Rockets or Grenades.

 

[Pots]

About the powerful Jedi thing. In a game world that just seems like a level difference to me. Other than that the HK-47 video basically confirms that to kill a Jedi snipe them, kill them without being seen or have numbers on your side (like Star Wars Battlefront). So 1v1 Jedi can't be beat basically? Unless sniped from a distance without them seeing you before hand.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

In Episode II Jengo Fett kills a few Jedi before he was taken down and beats Obi-Wan in a one on one fight. A few droids also take down some Jedi and those things are pretty stupid.

Jedi aren't going to be over-powered.

Edit: Um.. Jango Fett barely kill ANY Jedi in the movie.
His battle with Obi Wan was 1 on 1 on Kamino... and he LOST that battle... the only reason he survived to escape was because of a last minute rescue by young Boba who flew the ship in at the last second to save him. In fact, if you recall, he was gettin whupped on with Jedi Kung-fu by Obi Wan up to that point.. and the only reason Obi wan didnt kill him THEN, was because he was trying to take him alive to question him.

The next time Jango Fett met Jedi was on Geonosis where he kills one dumb ass jedi who drops down to attack Dooku without even THINKING about Jango (probably with some sort of help by Dooku using the force) and then he meets Mace Windu. Shortly thereafter he experiences the odd sensation of having his head removed from his body by Mace Windu, and rather quickly. The only other actions he took to that point was sorta flying over the crowd taking pot shots that may or may not have killed anyone.

Other than that, with the exception of the Jedi Noob in the arena trying to get Dooku, every time Jango met a Jedi, he got his rump handed to him on a platter with all the trimmings..

 

[Tehpwnsauce]

All you need to know.

I love HK.

 

[Tehpwnsauce]

In Episode II Jengo Fett kills a few Jedi before he was taken down and beats Obi-Wan in a one on one fight. A few droids also take down some Jedi and those things are pretty stupid.

Jedi aren't going to be over-powered.

Um.. Jango Fett didnt kill ANY Jedi in the movie that I remember, at all.
His battle with Obi Wan was 1 on 1 on Kamino... and he LOST that battle... the only reason he survived to escape was because of a last minute rescue by young Boba who flew the ship in at the last second to save him. In fact, if you recall, he was gettin whupped on with Jedi Kung-fu by Obi Wan up to that point.. and the only reason Obi wan didnt kill him THEN, was because he was trying to take him alive to question him.

The next time Jango Fett met Jedi was on Geonosis where he kills one dumb ass jedi who drops down to attack Dooku without even THINKING about Jango (probably with some sort of help by Dooku using the force) and then he meets Mace Windu. Shortly thereafter he experiences the odd sensation of having his head removed from his body by Mace Windu, and rather quickly. The only other actions he took to that point was sorta flying over the crowd taking pot shots that may or may not have killed anyone.

Other than that, with the exception of the Jedi Noob in the arena trying to get Dooku, every time Jango met a Jedi, he got his rump handed to him on a platter with all the trimmings..

I love it when people prove themselves wrong in one post and are unaware of it.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Okay, let me go on a rant here.


Most of the games and movies you see feature POWERFUL jedi, notice the Jedi in the temple were killed by republic soldiers and Anakin Skywalker. An army of your generic cannon-fodder jedi were decimated by republic troopers and one jedi. You will not be as powerful as Revan, you will not be as powerful as the Exile, for fucks sake you won't be as strong as any of those padawans they inserted in that anime series under Anakin Skywalkers training.


You will be a generic, cannon fodder jedi that even Atton Rand, Carth Onasi, or Han Solo could take down single handedly. The problem is that most people don't get to see cannon fodder Jedi, like, ever. Play Star Wars Battlefront 2 and then understand how easily they are to kill. Jedi don't fare so well against Rockets or Grenades.

I dont exactly believe there is any such thing as 'cannon-fodder jedi'. If you pay attention to how different races reacted to even the NAME Jedi, there is a begrudging respect behind that title, probably well earned. Maybe with overwhelming odds, a few republic soldiers can defeat some jedi in closed quarters, but ultimately, even a few middle-of-the-road Padawans are a match for seasoned soldiers because they have THE FORCE.

The only reason people even think there are cannon-fodder or weak Jedi is because of how Lucas handled things with the movie scaling back the "power" of the Force from Epic level to just something "kinda strong". Luke, a Jedi with NO real training, NO help, and NO real mastery of the force managed to defeat the EMPIRE, and pull of seemingly amazing stunts. Quigon and Obi Wan pretty much owned anyone they came across, and Anakin was a walking death machine until he switched teams.

Hell I'm not even sure how Anakin toppled the Jedi temple.. apparently there was no one there but a bunch of kids and their Force babysitters. Had even ONE of the council members been there, the story would have ended right then right there.

 

[rainman2203]

Anyone who played SWG knows that the addition of Jedi fucks up the class balance. Seriously, the game went straight downhill once they added Jedi. So, making them on an even footing seems to be the most logical solution to making a game in which players can be Jedi NOT suck.

 

[olicon]

I know this doesn't fit into any Starwars canon, but fiction physics should take precedents here.
Jedis are still mortal being. Their bodies have physical limit, just like any other well-trained mortal. Move faster than their reflex, and they can't react. That is the idea in shooting them in the back--they can't fight what they cannot see. So unless they can actually sense the future accurately all the time and react accordingly, then they can eventually be hurt by a well-trained warrior. The best example for me is in Negima manga--Negi, a mage, turned himself into lightning strike. His opponent, Rakan, is unable to react quickly enough to defend himself. However, as the guy is a total beast, he can predict where Negi is going to strike by air pressure (lightning tend to cause massive disturbance and ionization before it strikes), put his fist there, and Negi flows right into it.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I know this doesn't fit into any Starwars canon, but fiction physics should take precedents here.
Jedis are still mortal being. Their bodies have physical limit, just like any other well-trained mortal. Move faster than their reflex, and they can't react. That is the idea in shooting them in the back--they can't fight what they cannot see. So unless they can actually sense the future accurately all the time and react accordingly, then they can eventually be hurt by a well-trained warrior. The best example for me is in Negima manga--Negi, a mage, turned himself into lightning strike. His opponent, Rakan, is unable to react quickly enough to defend himself. However, as the guy is a total beast, he can predict where Negi is going to strike by air pressure (lightning tend to cause massive disturbance and ionization before it strikes), put his fist there, and Negi flows right into it.

I remember that! LOL yeah, I can understand how in some cases you can get the drop on jedi, but given their abilities to sense things going on around them, I still imagine getting the drop on a Jedi to be a pretty tough thing to do... maybe in heavily populated areas or on battlefields where there is so much going on and so many minds and emotions and death and struggle going on that it can confuse them.

Thats fine in such a scenario but in a one on one battle where the Jedi knows you are there in an MMO, I'm not sure people are going to be satisfied with being killed by a wookie Crossbow.