Jeremy Irons says BvS was "deservedly" panned (Not a BvS trashing topic)

[mduncan50]

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-reviews-jeremy-irons/

When speaking of the critical response and disappointing box-office:

Deservedly so. I mean it took $800 million, so the kicking didn't matter but it was sort of overstuffed? It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it's more linear.

No, I'm not a fan of the movie, but that's not what this is about, there are more than enough topics on that. What's bothering me here is that you have an actor like Jeremy Irons who did the press tours and such building up the movie to convince people to go, then out of nowhere slags his own movie, while at the same time trying to convince us to go see the next one because it's great. So if he didn't like the last one, why would he want to be a part of and promote the future ones? Simple:

I'm tied into The Batman at the minute, which is nice because it's a bit of income? Not that I need a bit of income but it's nice to keep ticking over.

Then again, maybe he's just up to his old tricks, but using comic book fans instead of dragons?

 

[DefunctTheory]

This Just In: Actor Torn Between Telling Truth For The Sake of Honesty or Spewing Bullshit For A Hefty Paycheck.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

This Just In: Actor Torn Between Telling Truth For The Sake of Honesty or Spewing Bullshit For A Hefty Paycheck.

Well it IS Jeremy Irons. Shit spewing is his trademark role.

 

[mduncan50]

This Just In: Actor Torn Between Telling Truth For The Sake of Honesty or Spewing Bullshit For A Hefty Paycheck.

I guess it really goes to show what a waste of time all those promotional interviews really are. Except for the odd one like when RDJ walked out on a guy asking about his drug use.

 

[DefunctTheory]

This Just In: Actor Torn Between Telling Truth For The Sake of Honesty or Spewing Bullshit For A Hefty Paycheck.

I guess it really goes to show what a waste of time all those promotional interviews really are. Except for the odd one like when RDJ walked out on a guy asking about his drug use.

Well... yes. I don't believe that you are just figuring this out. When someone's financial success is linked to a product or project, you absolutely, 100% cannot trust what they say about it unless they have some sort of proof.

 

[mduncan50]

This Just In: Actor Torn Between Telling Truth For The Sake of Honesty or Spewing Bullshit For A Hefty Paycheck.

I guess it really goes to show what a waste of time all those promotional interviews really are. Except for the odd one like when RDJ walked out on a guy asking about his drug use.

Well... yes. I don't believe that you are just figuring this out. When someone's financial success is linked to a product or project, you absolutely, 100% cannot trust what they say about it unless they have some sort of proof.

Sure, but then stick by your guns after it's all said and done rather than throwing all of your co-workers under the bus. I can't help but think there are going to be a few uncomfortable conversations. And dammit, don't tell me you lied about the last movie being good, but tell me in the same sentence that the NEXT one is going to be awesome.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Sir Alec Guinness famously said that Star Wars was terrible, his dialogue was absolute rubbish but of all the things he'd done, it was the thing that made him a millionaire. Just found quote:

?Can?t say I?m enjoying the film? rubbish dialogue reaches me every other day on wadges of pink paper ? and none of it makes my character clear or even bearable.

These Superhero films are rubbish from an acting point of view. You get fame, fortune and glamour but it's the arse end of actual acting. Dawn of Justice was however a bad film even in that arena. IRON-ically (DYSWIDT) he and Afleck were probably the best parts of the film.

 

[Wuvlycuddles]

This the guy who said gay marriage would lead to brothers marrying brothers and fathers marrying sons.... sooo... urm.... have a hard time taking ANYTHING he says seriously in the slightest.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Jeremy Irons has never read a bad comic book like Superman At Earth's End, he would be eating his words reading how lower a DC property can get.

(Yes I will never change my stance on this)

 

[JamesStone]

This the guy who said gay marriage would lead to brothers marrying brothers and fathers marrying sons.... sooo... urm.... have a hard time taking ANYTHING he says seriously in the slightest.

I don't get this logic. Just because he's ignorant and misinformed on the topics of sexual orientation suddenly we should dismiss his years of acting experience and personal involvement in the project? That'd be like throwing away all of Mark Twain's views and literary work out the window because he wrote "There once was a big black man named ****** Jim"

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This the guy who said gay marriage would lead to brothers marrying brothers and fathers marrying sons.... sooo... urm.... have a hard time taking ANYTHING he says seriously in the slightest.

I don't get this logic. Just because he's ignorant and misinformed on the topics of sexual orientation suddenly we should dismiss his years of acting experience and personal involvement in the project? That'd be like throwing away all of Mark Twain's views and literary work out the window because he wrote "There once was a big black man named ****** Jim"

Can the same arguement apply to Mel Gibson? (who I admire his movies? Especially Apocalypto)

 

[mduncan50]

This the guy who said gay marriage would lead to brothers marrying brothers and fathers marrying sons.... sooo... urm.... have a hard time taking ANYTHING he says seriously in the slightest.

I don't get this logic. Just because he's ignorant and misinformed on the topics of sexual orientation suddenly we should dismiss his years of acting experience and personal involvement in the project? That'd be like throwing away all of Mark Twain's views and literary work out the window because he wrote "There once was a big black man named ****** Jim"

Can the same arguement apply to Mel Gibson? (who I admire his movies? Especially Apocalypto)

I don't know that Gibson gets the same leeway. Irons is showing ignorance and fear of that which he doesn't understand, which lets face it, isn't a stance he holds alone, even for those that are accepting of the LGBT community on the whole. Meanwhile Gibson had a bloody meltdown while being arrested for drunk driving and screamed at the arresting officer whom he thought was Jewish: ?F**king Jews. The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.? Then there's the spousal abuse and pushing around female reporters. Enjoy his old movies, by all means, but as for any new stuff, I'd rather not add to his millions. MCU dodged a bullet with him.

 

[Ambient_Malice]

I wouldn't say he slagged it. Jeremy Irons is a very "thoughtful" man. He's not really saying the film was a bad film, per say, but he isn't afraid to recognise that the film had serious flaws, being "overstuffed" and "muddled".

This the guy who said gay marriage would lead to brothers marrying brothers and fathers marrying sons.... sooo... urm.... have a hard time taking ANYTHING he says seriously in the slightest.

Most people can't come up with a coherent reason why he was wrong since he was speaking so abstractly in terms of fundamental shifts in the concept of what a "marriage" actually is. (The "everyone should be allowed to marry the person they love" fluff that almost nobody is willing to follow through on, for example.) "Boo, hoo, I'm offended!" isn't a reason. The death of logic in the face of "I can't even" and "How dare they."

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This the guy who said gay marriage would lead to brothers marrying brothers and fathers marrying sons.... sooo... urm.... have a hard time taking ANYTHING he says seriously in the slightest.

I don't get this logic. Just because he's ignorant and misinformed on the topics of sexual orientation suddenly we should dismiss his years of acting experience and personal involvement in the project? That'd be like throwing away all of Mark Twain's views and literary work out the window because he wrote "There once was a big black man named ****** Jim"

Can the same arguement apply to Mel Gibson? (who I admire his movies? Especially Apocalypto)

I don't know that Gibson gets the same leeway. Irons is showing ignorance and fear of that which he doesn't understand, which lets face it, isn't a stance he holds alone, even for those that are accepting of the LGBT community on the whole. Meanwhile Gibson had a bloody meltdown while being arrested for drunk driving and screamed at the arresting officer whom he thought was Jewish: ?F**king Jews. The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.? Then there's the spousal abuse and pushing around female reporters. Enjoy his old movies, by all means, but as for any new stuff, I'd rather not add to his millions. MCU dodged a bullet with him.

I admire Apocalypto and Passion of the Christ for how immersive they are. Especially that they used langauges. Can you imagine Apocalypto if they just spoke english?

And what bad things could he have done to the MCU anyway? What was he going to be I mean mind you the man voice actd in a kids movie
(Chicken Run)

 

[mduncan50]

This the guy who said gay marriage would lead to brothers marrying brothers and fathers marrying sons.... sooo... urm.... have a hard time taking ANYTHING he says seriously in the slightest.

I don't get this logic. Just because he's ignorant and misinformed on the topics of sexual orientation suddenly we should dismiss his years of acting experience and personal involvement in the project? That'd be like throwing away all of Mark Twain's views and literary work out the window because he wrote "There once was a big black man named ****** Jim"

Can the same arguement apply to Mel Gibson? (who I admire his movies? Especially Apocalypto)

I don't know that Gibson gets the same leeway. Irons is showing ignorance and fear of that which he doesn't understand, which lets face it, isn't a stance he holds alone, even for those that are accepting of the LGBT community on the whole. Meanwhile Gibson had a bloody meltdown while being arrested for drunk driving and screamed at the arresting officer whom he thought was Jewish: ?F**king Jews. The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.? Then there's the spousal abuse and pushing around female reporters. Enjoy his old movies, by all means, but as for any new stuff, I'd rather not add to his millions. MCU dodged a bullet with him.

I admire Apocalypto and Passion of the Christ for how immersive they are. Especially that they used langauges. Can you imagine Apocalypto if they just spoke english?

And what bad things could he have done to the MCU anyway? What was he going to be I mean mind you the man voice actd in a kids movie
(Chicken Run)

Meh, it's just bad press and distractions that nobody needs. Plus, they ended up with a much better and more fitting actor anyways.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

These Superhero films are rubbish from an acting point of view. You get fame, fortune and glamour but it's the arse end of actual acting. Dawn of Justice was however a bad film even in that arena. IRON-ically (DYSWIDT) he and Afleck were probably the best parts of the film.

Erm, could you defined what "actual acting" is? Will Benedict Cumberbatch not "actually" be acting in Doctor Strange? Did Heath Ledge not "actually" act in The Dark Knight? Did I just imagine Paul Bettany "actually" acting at the end of Age Of Ultron?

I'm fairly confident there's an "arse end" of acting, and it's a considerable ways away from contemporary comicbook films. Well, Marvel's at least, plus Nolan's Bats' trilogy (I thought Rise kinda sucked, but it at least had terrific performances).

 

[Wuvlycuddles]

I don't get this logic. Just because he's ignorant and misinformed on the topics of sexual orientation suddenly we should dismiss his years of acting experience and personal involvement in the project? That'd be like throwing away all of Mark Twain's views and literary work out the window because he wrote "There once was a big black man named ****** Jim"

The logic is the man speaks a lot of shit about things he knows nothing about, so why should I trust his opinion on things he should know about.
Also, that's a poor analogy. I don't dismiss Irons work, only his opinions and Twain may have used language that by today's standards would probably cause a shitstorm but he was not known to speak ignorantly about things, which is what I am taking issue with here.

 

[Callate]

When you're on the press junket, you keep to the script. If you tell the truth when the movie is in the second-run theaters, that's a good sign. Why do we want people to lie to us and refuse to acknowledge that their works went wrong? Especially when an $864 million box office take gives them plenty of cover to do so? Do we want to see the same mistakes repeated?

Look, Jeremy Irons has been in a lot of crap. But he also, quite deservedly, won an Oscar. And given the roles he takes (Eragon, The Time Machine, Dungeons & Dragons, and The Color of Magic, arguably even Kingdom of Heaven) it seems likely that he genuinely enjoys doing this kind of film, rather than that he's riding in on the coat-tails just when it becomes popular.

Hell, we should always be so lucky.

 

[mduncan50]

When you're on the press junket, you keep to the script. If you tell the truth when the movie is in the second-run theaters, that's a good sign. Why do we want people to lie to us and refuse to acknowledge that their works went wrong? Especially when an $864 million box office take gives them plenty of cover to do so? Do we want to see the same mistakes repeated?

Look, Jeremy Irons has been in a lot of crap. But he also, quite deservedly, won an Oscar. And given the roles he takes (Eragon, The Time Machine, Dungeons & Dragons, and The Color of Magic, arguably even Kingdom of Heaven) it seems likely that he genuinely enjoys doing this kind of film, rather than that he's riding in on the coat-tails just when it becomes popular.

Hell, we should always be so lucky.

So you're fine with being lied to, so long as they tell the truth after most people have already seen the movie?