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Just finished. Honestly thought it was really good between episode 6 and 10-11 or so, while most the rest were average but maybe one or two things I felt were interesting.

Have to say, very few things remind me of Philosophy 101 than this show with the themes of objectifaction, free will, and the moral conundrums of killing people for this or that reason.

Also, since a certain character shows up in this series and will be the next one to get a Netflix Marvel series focused around them, all I can say is that I'm happy he appeared, I like his powers, and I'm intrigued about what he's going to do in 2016 and what villain he'll face, and whether the series will be a prequel, midquel, or sequel to the majority of the events taking place in Jessica Jones.

That said, I am not absolutely clamoring for that or even a season 2 of Jessica Jones as much as I am for DareDevil. I appreciate the series' suspense and thought they did that remarkably well, but I miss Murdock.
 

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Just finished binge-watching the series and to make the obvious comparisons with Daredevil and other super-hero contemporaries:

-Jessica Jones is not nearly as 'pretty' of a show. I don't know whether it's because there is a smaller budget or just different direction, but it's not as well shot and there are few shots that stood out to me from a visual perspective. Not a bad show, but average really in terms of visuals. Bland really, with only a few things that stand out as well done such as the use of purple whenever the villain's presence is meant to be felt.

-The fight scenes are pretty poor. To be fair Jessica doesn't fight nearly as often as Daredevil and she's not nearly as good at it, her 'technique' basically consists of just throwing people around with her superior strength, but still it's not very stimulating to watch. Not her nor any of the other people that fight, to avoid spoilers.

-Some of the plot points later on in the series feel out of place and forced. There's a decent amount of foreshadowing towards future plot points and other Marvel series, even a prominent crossover with Daredevil near the end, and I just found it out of place and often detracting from the main plot.

-The few scenes that involve any fancy special effects are not very good. Nothing too bad that it made me roll my eyes thankfully, but it was definitely noticeable. It's a good thing both Jessica and the villains powers are pretty straight forward because anything more FX heavy would completely fall apart.

-I know this is a bit of a comic trope in general and it's actually been toned down from the comics this show is based on, but damn: So many convenient coincidences. "Oh so this person just happens to know this person that's also a prominent character from this thing or who just so happens to be able to do that thing you need? Gee, how very... convenient. Ug.". I can't stand this aspect of comic books and I dislike it in comic-book based movies and shows as well, and though considerably toned down here from its comic originator, it still annoyed me sometimes. There's no Force or Fate as an excuse here, it's just corny.

BUUUUUUTTTT, if this all sounds super negative, here's the positives:

-Jessica is a fantastic protagonist and I found her far more compelling as a character than Daredevil or, in fact, almost any other Marvel hero and in fact just super hero in general with modern media. The actress also really nails the role, I wasn't sold at first but by the end of the show I loved both the character and the actress portrayal of the character. I very much like that she's someone who 'wants' to be a hero, who wishes she could be a 'good guy', yet who is just so broken and flawed she's struggling to live up to both her own desires and the expectations of those few who know about her and her abilities.

She stumbles, she fails, she makes some genuinely terrible decisions and even does some horrible things, yet I always felt sympathetic towards her because despite it all it felt like she was trying at least. It felt genuine.

-The Purple Man, aka David Tennant, is terrifying. As he should be. He's a completely different sort of super-hero villain from most others portrayed and it works incredibly well. He has a commanding presence on screen and is suitably both horrifying and yet vulnerable. In fact you can sorta see why his particular brand of villainy wouldn't attract much attention in a world also occupied by characters like The Hulk or Iron Man, making him both contemptible yet even more insidiously evil. He's a small-scale evil, yet that doesn't make him any less evil for those touched by him.

-The supporting cast is largely entertaining and well acted and my only major complaint about them is that I wouldn't mind seeing some of them more. Luke Cage I admit isn't a hero I know much about, but I liked both his character and portrayal in the show and it made me suddenly interested in his own upcoming series.

-The plot in intriguing, the story compelling, and the portrayal of emotion throughout very well done. At one point someone says something along the lines of 'He leaves a trail of broken people behind him' and you can totally see it, with Jessica being one of those broken people. The show rarely shies away from portraying some of the bad things that happen and when it does shy away from certain subjects it's done fairly well (Yes, I'm talking about rape, yes it's brought up, yes the villain likes doing it, though obviously the show has to be fairly tasteful and careful in how it's presented.).

Overall impressions?

Not as good looking or action driven as a number of other 'super hero' shows now out there, but in terms of being a character-driven super-hero story it's my favourite by far and I'm extremely eager to see more. It's not a perfect show and it had its downsides, especially those 'foreshadowing' moments that never ended up leading anywhere as those kinda annoyed me, but when it shines I felt it really shows and it left me wanting more.
 

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The thematic elements behind the fantastic pieces are wonderful. Delving into PTSD, sexual assault/rape, personal responsibility and accountability, having to wrestle with one's past and reconcile it with the present "you"... its so artfully done and well acted. Its a very personally touching story in many ways for myself and my wife and we binge watched the fuck out of it because it is so captivating.
I don't know if I've ever seen a series or movie that touches on those darker parts of life and really done them well enough to not feel like its over-dramatic. It felt like a personal story, a "real" story and it touched on a lot of things I've had personal dealings with, my wife as well. It was, in a sense, cathartic to watch.
Its not a perfect show, but it has a great direction throughout. Its horrible, might make you feel a bit dirty because one moment you're full of feels and the next moment you laugh at something you probably shouldn't have. "Go fuck yourself" indeed.
 

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Zontar said:
SonOfVoorhees said:
Ive watched them all. An i enjoyed them all. Jessica and the baddie are both good characters. Especially how far they push the mind control stuff. I enjoyed all the episodes though dont feel the need to re-watch them. Daredevil is more watchable, watched that show 3 times now. Looking forward to a JJ series 2 though and would watch the series 1 in the future.
Will they actually make a season 2 though? I mean, with Luke Cage coming out in about 6 months or so it seems they might just make a "Heroes for Hire" series with both since neither really had the hype surrounding them that DareDevil had.
They're bringing Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and potentially Iron Fist together for a Defenders series.
 

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WolfThomas said:
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They're bringing Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and potentially Iron Fist together for a Defenders series.
I'm well aware of that, but that 4-8 episode series doesn't mean there can't be a "Heroes for Hire" series done with the two characters as the stars.

EDIT: Also, why the hell is the MetLife building still seen in panning shots? This happened in DareDevil and it happened in Jessica Jones. Come on Marvel Television, is it really too much to handle to use a bit of CG or a superimposed matte painting of Stark/Avengers Tower?
 

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Something Amyss said:
Chris Mosher said:
I am one Episode 8, enjoying it so far. Ritter is the right of badass and broken victim. Tenant is always good, I like him playing a villian this vile.
Actually, I honestly think Tennant is quite shit at it. Most of the things which make him vile are informed attributes. Tennant, meanwhile, is hard to distinguish from his days on Doctor Who except he occasionally swears.

The writing of the character is pretty damn good, I will give the show that. But Tennant is a pretty shite actor for the role.
I think i like what you dislike. Kilgrave sees himself not as evil rapist but as a jilted lover. Its the fact that Tenant plays it straight and not villainous that i like the role so much.
 

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Chris Mosher said:
Something Amyss said:
Chris Mosher said:
I am one Episode 8, enjoying it so far. Ritter is the right of badass and broken victim. Tenant is always good, I like him playing a villian this vile.
Actually, I honestly think Tennant is quite shit at it. Most of the things which make him vile are informed attributes. Tennant, meanwhile, is hard to distinguish from his days on Doctor Who except he occasionally swears.

The writing of the character is pretty damn good, I will give the show that. But Tennant is a pretty shite actor for the role.
I think i like what you dislike. Kilgrave sees himself not as evil rapist but as a jilted lover. Its the fact that Tenant plays it straight and not villainous that i like the role so much.
I second that. My favorite Kilgrave moment was...
when he was just sitting on the couch watching "football." He seemed so normal there, I know plenty of normal good people that watch sports like that. It was really horrifying to think that a person could be so normal in one moment but could be capable of all that evil in another. I also think it's the nature of his power, he doesn't need to be over-the-top mustache-twirling evil, he can just casually tell a guy "walk off a cliff" and go back to watching sports. That's what really drove it home for me

I'm about 8 episodes in and loving it so far!
 

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The Madman said:
Not as good looking or action driven as a number of other 'super hero' shows now out there, but in terms of being a character-driven super-hero story it's my favorite by far and I'm extremely eager to see more.
I'm liking it myself. I'm glad it is on. I think it missed a few marks, places where it could have blown our minds. A few episodes had me scraping my gaping jaw off the floor.

Over-all, not as accessible as Daredevil. Not even close. But easily worth watching!
 

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Chris Mosher said:
I think i like what you dislike. Kilgrave sees himself not as evil rapist but as a jilted lover. Its the fact that Tenant plays it straight and not villainous that i like the role so much.
It's disturbing that he's being justified as a "jilted lover," but Tennant isn't playing "jilted lover" straight. Also, the notion that you didn't really address what I "didn't like," you just stumped for Kilgrave.

You're watching Jessica Jones, right? Like, it's pretty explicit that your interpretation is wrong throughout the entire thing.

Not to mention, my sympathy for "jilted lovers" ends when they start raping people. Especially when they also make those people kill their parents, or tortures them. The fact that most of his attributes are a violation of "show, don't tell" and Tennant is still using his Doctor Who acting is just icing.
 

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No no no, Killgrave isn't being justified as a jilted lover, Killgrave SEES HIMSELF as a jilted lover.
Then stop pretending you're disagreeing with me, because this had zero to do with my prior comment. You were the one who said that I disliked what you liked. This now means that zero of your sentences responding to me addressed anything I said.
 

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Something Amyss said:
It's disturbing that he's being justified as a "jilted lover," but Tennant isn't playing "jilted lover" straight.

You're watching Jessica Jones, right? Like, it's pretty explicit that your interpretation is wrong throughout the entire thing.
Well there's always a chance my netflix is fucking up and showing me old eps of Doctor Who but I doubt that. For a majority if the series T entant feels like a jilted lover who does not realize he has no chance of rekindling the relationship.


Tenant plays Kilgrave like a dude from a romantic comedy because in Kilgrave's mind that's what's going on. In the end they show how Kilgrave saw the relationship versus how Jessica saw it. That scene really cemented how i saw the performance.
 

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Chris Mosher said:
For a majority if the series T entant feels like a jilted lover who does not realize he has no chance of rekindling the relationship.
And rapes and kills people in the process.
 

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Something Amyss said:
Chris Mosher said:
For a majority if the series T entant feels like a jilted lover who does not realize he has no chance of rekindling the relationship.
And rapes and kills people in the process.
Kilgrave being totally amoral does not see his his action as evil so Tenant plays the character the way the character sees himself instead of playing it as comicbook villian. This is why i think the acting decisions are well done.
 

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I think the scary aspect of Kilgrave is just how he's like a child. He's petulant, self-absorbed, utterly selfish, whiny, egotistical, and completely and utterly immoral to the point that he even points out in one spot he doesn't understand why someone else wouldn't just kill someone. He literally doesn't understand. He's got the body, brainpower, and hormones of a man but the self-restraint and self-consciousness of a child plus all the power of a small god, and that's utterly terrifying.

He's not doing it for fame, he has no aspirations of power, he's not doing it for a cause or even for a Joker-esq craving for chaos or to make a point. He's literally just doing all this evil twisted shit because he wants to and he can, and he's just smart enough that he can get away with it. Mostly. I thought it became pretty clear later on in the show that pretty much the only reason he's obsessed with Jessica is that it becomes clear she's the one thing he wasn't able to fully control, and so like a kid picking at a wound he just can't leave it alone.
 

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Chris Mosher said:
Has ANYONE contested that Kilgrave thinks he's the good guy in this? No. He's the classical "nice guy" and everything women fear in the same. If you aren't going to actually address what I said, why even reference me?
 

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He's not a "Nice Guy", or anything like that, he's a total psychopath. He has no empathy, doesn't understand the concept, he's incredibly impulsive, he reacts like a child to any injury to his narcissistic ego, and so on. Beyond that he has the general pattern of a serial sexual criminal, mostly a killer. He's basically a serial killer/rapist who uses magic instead of weapons, and so can be even more of a caricature of the psychopath than most super-villains in comics. He's actually one of the few I think they accurately portray in that sense, especially with how self-destructive his impulsive behavior often is.

Rape, murder, theft, abuse... they don't register for him because other people don't register as people to him, just extensions of his will. Now, as to whether that came about because of a predisposition, or because people actually DO become extensions of his will is beyond the realm of psychology rooted in the real world.
I think by "Nice Guy," SA means the internet term for someone who superficially acts like a considerate gentleman and feels that women owe him love and attention because he is a self-proclaimed "Nice Guy."
 

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TakerFoxx said:
I think by "Nice Guy," SA means the internet term for someone who superficially acts like a considerate gentleman and feels that women owe him love and attention because he is a self-proclaimed "Nice Guy."
More specifically the "nice guys" that are often hostile and abusive, especially when they don't get their way. Granted, it's more likely mild stalking or calling a woman a **** than it is telling someone to put their head through a beam, but it's still creepy as hell. Kilgrave seems like the trope cranked to 11, but the so-called "nice guy" can still be dangerous.

This is not to say men are bad or that there's no such thing as a nice guy. Hence the scare quotes, which you picked up on.