Jim & Yahtzee's Rhymedown Spectacular: Games, Games, Everywhere.

[bandit0802]

Ok, everyone has brought up that "banning guns won't solve the problem," so I won't. What I feel I must point out is that the NRA and other pro-gun advocates aren't the only ones calling for game censorship. The anti-gun people are calling for it, too. *cough* Feinstein *cough*

And everything I keep hearing about Catcher in the Rye makes me glad I've never read it.

On Jim's topic, it really does seem like the term "indie" carries the connotation of "originality," but that's all dependent on the developer's attitude about the game they're making.

 

[Ishal]

Guns aren't to blame... but there are a lot of crazy people in this world... and perhaps its just me, but I'd rather deal with a crazy person armed with a knife or box cutter than a gun.

I enjoyed the indie bit more though. The indie scene has great games, however to claim innovation is a big stretch. They are simply going in the opposite direction when compared to AAA. They are tired of shooters so they retreat back in time to the shooters of the "golden age" which were platformers. Its no surprise that so many fans of indie games are NDF members

 

[Zombie_Moogle]

This statement is coming from a 2nd amendment supporter: I'm pretty sure Yahtzee's point wasn't "guns are bad, mkay?" but that weapon manufacturers advocate banning pretend violence to deal with the real violence problem the U.S. faces(/distract from the fact that they lobby for deregulation that bolsters the illegal sale/use of firearms cuz "hey, we get paid either way, right?"; that last part is just my personal observation)

Jim's was equally excellent

Ok, everyone has brought up that "banning guns won't solve the problem," so I won't. What I feel I must point out is that the NRA and other pro-gun advocates aren't the only ones calling for game censorship. The anti-gun people are calling for it, too. *cough* Feinstein *cough*

And everything I keep hearing about Catcher in the Rye makes me glad I've never read it.

On Jim's topic, it really does seem like the term "indie" carries the connotation of "originality," but that's all dependent on the developer's attitude about the game they're making.

Ya beat me to it

 

[Bbleds]

I have to say, I am impressed. When I first saw this my initial thought was "Oh no, he referenced real tragic events to make a joke. Now I am going to see several comments of people yelling at him along the lines of: Too soon!, Stick to comedy and leave the social commentary to people who are actually serious!" I am glad everyone watched this and are having actual discussions about it which is how it should be. My 2 cents is I know a lawyer who works for the Department of Public Safety and it is good to know that many people are not able to obtain a gun license. Mainly getting criminal records have one lose it or not obtain one in the first place and every gun you can get from a shop has a serial number on it that is almost impossible to get rid of. But I do wish there could be a little more control of things like gun shows, most guns don't have serial numbers and background checking is iffy at best.

 

[themilo504]

We should ban living, only then can we stop violence.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

Good show today!

You both made some great points with your topics.

"Banning fake violence won't stop real violence."
And.
"Just because it's "Indie" doesn't mean it's original."

Yahtzee's poem made me laugh. Yes let's ban everything that'll keep everyone sane, sure it will. BTW this NRA sandwich is great. OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM.

Spoiler: Would you like some Torgo's Executive Powder on that?

 

[Mr. Q]

Kudos to Yahtzee for his poem against the willfully ignorant who point fingers at things that are not linked to the gun control problem.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Good show today!

You both made some great points with your topics.

"Banning fake violence won't stop real violence."
And.
"Just because it's "Indie" doesn't mean it's original."

Yahtzee's poem made me laugh. Yes let's ban everything that'll keep everyone sane, sure it will. BTW this NRA sandwich is great. OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM.

Spoiler: Would you like some Torgo's Executive Powder on that?

It has so many uses. ...and tastes great on a sandwich.

 

[DTWolfwood]

What so violence in media isn't responsible for crazy people being crazy?!

and Puzzle platformers aren't original?!

Well then my mind is blown #sarcasm.

 

[tzimize]

Yahtzee tackled my favorite issues in politics and video game industry. It's absolutely insane how long people can go on denying the obvious truth about guns.

Yep.


Also. HUZZAH! for the greatest show on the escapist!

 

[mike1921]

yay for liberal whining I suppose? Go blame cars for drunk drivers next ect ect, and a few months late for the big stink about guns though.

Cars have an important transportation function, knives have an important culinary function. You can't compare a weapon to a practical tool. Guns make it easier to kill larger amounts of people and serve such a small function in civilized life. It's reasonable to require a background check for them, and to limit clip size so that you can only kill so many people with one if you're a murderer. If you're going to say this is about people wanting to ban all guns then point me to one American politican, they have to be at the level of a governor,congressman, president/VP or cabinet member, who supports such a thing. I have never heard rhetoric of banning all guns from any one important besides people using it as a strawman.

 

[Jaden Kazega]

yay for liberal whining I suppose? Go blame cars for drunk drivers next ect ect, and a few months late for the big stink about guns though.

Cars have an important transportation function, knives have an important culinary function. You can't compare a weapon to a practical tool. Guns make it easier to kill larger amounts of people and serve such a small function in civilized life. It's reasonable to require a background check for them, and to limit clip size so that you can only kill so many people with one if you're a murderer. If you're going to say this is about people wanting to ban all guns then point me to one American politican, they have to be at the level of a governor,congressman, president/VP or cabinet member, who supports such a thing. I have never heard rhetoric of banning all guns from any one important besides people using it as a strawman.

Pretty much this.

I think there is one important question which should be asked that no one seems to be asking: why are all of the non-lethal ammunition types banned from public use, or illegal for private citizens to use? I haven't done any in-depth research on this, so don't take what I say as 100% fact, but as far as I can tell all forms of non-lethal measures to stop and/or incapacitate an attacker are illegal for private citizens to own (IE: rubber bullets, disrupter rounds, sandbag rounds, pepper spray bullets, taser rounds -- and yes, those last two types DO exist). Why is this? I see real bullets being needed for hunting purposes for specific kinds of rifles, but why not avail all of the non-lethal measures to the public? Then there would no longer be the need for citizens to carry live ammunition to defend themselves, but this is just in my opinion.

On that same note, why (at least in California) are there only five types of taser a citizen is allowed to own? The rest are for peace officers only. Again, why limit stopping power of a non-lethal level to only law enforcement rather than the general public? I know I would have no qualms about owning a gun if I had access to non-lethal ammunition types, or a reliable taser....

I really don't want to turn this into a debate thread, honestly, I am just genuinely curious about this. lol

 

[level27smartass]

And if this video proves anything, it's that Catcher in the Rye will always suck ass.

Yeah. I remember that. God, it was terrible. The main character spent the entire book whining something to the tune of "WHY WON'T EVERYONE ACCOMMODATE MY TERRIBLE MISTAKES AND GIVE ME EVERYTHING I WANT?! WHHHHHYYYY?!?!"

In regards to the whole "guns vs. games" thing, I think it's worth stating at this point that while games have been repeatedly [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125351-New-Study-Dismisses-Link-Between-Violence-and-Videogames] proved [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114561-Swedish-Study-Says-Videogames-Do-Not-Cause-Aggression] to have no link to increased violence, the opposite is true of guns [http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check].

Off Topic: Allow me to explain why your analysis of The Catcher In The Rye is wrong; Holden never wishes to be accommodated in fact he is open about with his feelings that he is kind of shitty person. Holden journey revolves around his internal struggle as he reflects on world around him. He realizes the reason he is the way he is his partly his fault but he has also been rejected by his society. Holden is a pariah as he is antithetical to the average person during the post WII years in America. Where people where expected to be conformist and submit to authority Holden questioned.

Surely people who go on the escapist where probably ostracized in school.

 

[Xman490]

(Note that I went to Wikipedia for the whole poem, which is relevant to the title but not to Yahtzee's and Jim's poems.)
Month after month, month after month,
Indust-ry stagnation
As idle as a heavy gun
Under a dirty ocean.

Games, Games Everywhere
Yet the industry still sank,
Games, Games Everywhere
Any new ideas? Blank.

 

[ExtraDebit]

Yeah yeah, I'll bight. Guns are no more to blame than games, movies, books, pictures, and spoken word. Crazy people will do crazy things whether or not they have a gun to do them with.

Political differences aside, I still enjoyed both poems, though the meter in Jim's seemed a bit off.

Except that guns is a tool that empowers, there's a difference between mad with power and mad without power. A mad man with the power of a gun or to launch a nuke is much more dangerous than one without.

Both guns and games are two different perspective taking on the same situation. One claims that we should take away things that make people mad and one claims that we should take away power for mad people to minimize damage. However, taking away power from the mad is a much more sound solution while weather games make people mad is still indebate.

 

[TrevHead]

First time I've watched this series and I must say old chap it is rather splendid.