Jimquisition: Children of the Resolution

[themilo504]

The only time graphics matter to me is when there ugly(like final fantasy 7), so this controversy is rather laughably to me even if I wasn?t (mostly) a pc gamer.

Also titanfall looks awesome.

 

[QUINTIX]

Eh... huge correction. There will be games running at 1920 columns & 1080 of rows pixels on One and games running at 1280x720 on the PS4 (and the port to the One, because it _is_ empirically less powerful) ... it's up to the devs. In fact, there are games legitimately running at 1080p on PS3 & 360. Not upscaled: legit 1080p. It is how much work done per pixel that is limited by resolution choice.

 

[DTWolfwood]

can you imagine multiplatform releases and their reviews in a couple of years? When everyone starts saying "of course if you want the better looking console version, buy it for the PS4" as if its a no brainer. lol

O wells, did not want a Xbone anyways, just not a fan of the ridiculousness that is Microsoft right now.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

GLORIOUS PC GAMING MASTER RACE REPORT IN!

Let us overclock our graphics cards and re-bind the controls on our keyboards in a way that makes shooters barely playable while dismissing the ease and comfort of a gamepad in celebration of our innate superiority over the dirty console peasants!

You are clearly doing it wrong. The idea is you rebind the controls in a way that you find comfortable and easily accessible, which, what do you know, just about every PC gamer does. Also, what's this ease crap? How on earth am I supposed to aim when the sticks are horribly imprecise and the auto-aim, sorry, "aim-assist" keeps interfering while I try and line up a shot?

 

[Flannel Gary]

I absolutely agree... and we've had that conversation, Jim. I don't understand a bit about resolution or even exceptional 8:3:1:whatever audio perfection. I have no frame of reference for that concern. I dug Minecraft, I like flash games on websites, and even when I played some Battlefield 3, I can't say that the resolution left me feeling like there was anywhere it could go that would make me like the game /better/.

I'm a Content Guy. If the graphics or sound or camera-work or color or whatever SERVE the game's content to an emotionally and personally interesting and engaging level? Then they matter. If they simply make something look nicer, then they're hugely secondary to the content intended to make the connection and enjoyment. If they have no real bearing (one can little discern the graphic upgrade in the middle of the action when paying attention to other elements of play), then they are arbitrary.

 

[Something Amyss]

steam box that is all

Or, you know, you could just go with a real PC and probably get something better for the same price, as the Steam Machine is almost certainly going to be a form of boutique computer.

The Steam Machine offers literally nothing you can't do on a regular PC.

As someone who spends half his gaming time on games that could have been made 7 or 8 years ago I have to say graphics are least important to me. That said I am definitely enjoying the pit the Xbox dug for itself if only because it means I don't feel quite as bad having to play games on my cheap little laptop. Sour grapes for the win.

And honestly, isn't that they best part? Microsoft's been pushing teh graffix like it's the end-all and now can't perform with the big boys. I don't care much about graphics (long as I can reasonably make out what I'm looking at, I'm good), but when you're touting your awesome next gen system and it can't do something the PS3 could, I point and laugh.

Then again, with all the features stripped, that could apply much more broadly.

This does concern me about gaming for the next gen, though. Games will likely be stripped down to accommodate the Xbone's processing issues. That seems to be the more sinister element here: we're already seeing the kind of technical issues that limited us to linear brown corridors for much of last gen. Will devs leave the Xbone in the dust? Well, I honestly would hope so, but I doubt it.

And while people can talk about the PC gaming master race, they will be bawling like children when they find their favourite game is "dumbed down" by the console market. So it's probably foolish for them to laugh.

GLORIOUS PC GAMING MASTER RACE REPORT IN!

Let us overclock our graphics cards and re-bind the controls on our keyboards in a way that makes shooters barely playable while dismissing the ease and comfort of a gamepad in celebration of our innate superiority over the dirty console peasants!

Come now. There is absolutely no benefit to a controller. EVER.

As to minecraft being an example of gameplay over graphics, I tend to competitive games at lower resolutions as to lower the chance of strain on my machine. It doesn't matter how good a game looks if you lost because you skipped a frame.

I don't think that really changes the point, though.

 

[MCerberus]

I've been playing recently:
League
World of Tanks
Pokemon
TF2


Graphics. Wooh. Look at all the care I have.

 

[tzimize]

GLORIOUS PC GAMING MASTER RACE REPORT IN!

Let us overclock our graphics cards and re-bind the controls on our keyboards in a way that makes shooters barely playable while dismissing the ease and comfort of a gamepad in celebration of our innate superiority over the dirty console peasants!

You are clearly doing it wrong. The idea is you rebind the controls in a way that you find comfortable and easily accessible, which, what do you know, just about every PC gamer does. Also, what's this ease crap? How on earth am I supposed to aim when the sticks are horribly imprecise and the auto-aim, sorry, "aim-assist" keeps interfering while I try and line up a shot?

Shooters on consoles....HAHAHAHAHAHAH. *wipes tear*

I really dont understand how anyone who has had a mouse in their hands can play shooters on consoles. Is titanfall console exclusive? The new Halo? In that case I'd rather watch a movie.

 

[hazydawn]

I really enjoyed the humor in this one, though I still don't get the concept of what seems to be random pictures of kids and adults in costumes.

 

[Keiichi Morisato]

GLORIOUS PC GAMING MASTER RACE REPORT IN!

Let us overclock our graphics cards and re-bind the controls on our keyboards in a way that makes shooters barely playable while dismissing the ease and comfort of a gamepad in celebration of our innate superiority over the dirty console peasants!

First of all, you're literally fucking delusional if you think shooters play better with a gamepad.

Secondly, if I actually wanted to use a gamepad on my PC I CAN DO THAT, I have a fucking PS3 controller that I use to play emulated games with, if I wanted to use it for shooters I could.

But I don't since literally every single test has shown that people using Keyboard and mouse always wipe the floor with people using gamepads, even IF the gamepad users have aim-correction.

But it's okay, you can keep spreading your delusional console propaganda, we both know you're never gonna accept facts even when they're plainly and obviously available.

he said "ease and comfort" not superiority, and in that regard, he is absolutely right. i own many PC games, but for action games i break out my Xbox 360 Elite rechargeable game pad. for FPS i use a mouse and key board for FPS games due to having better accuracy.

 

[GamemasterAnthony]

Heh...you know I was about to comment on the people who are arguing about framerate and graphics in the industry, but...

CAPTCHA: ding a ling

...it would appear the Captcha very accurately described what I think of the guys in the industry that are doing so. Bravo, Captcha!

Rather excellently put throughout, Jim...especially when you threw in the PC comparisons! In fact, may I say that was a...Sterling effort? *runs like hell before DVS BSTrD kills me for stealing his schtick*

 

[Zacharious-khan]

Or, you know, you could just go with a real PC and probably get something better for the same price, as the Steam Machine is almost certainly going to be a form of boutique computer.

The Steam Machine offers literally nothing you can't do on a regular PC.

no but it makes it easier for the dumb console people to get into the PC Market whose imaginary complexity scares away so many.

Come now. There is absolutely no benefit to a controller. EVER.

Have you ever tried to play Symphony of the Night on a keyboard? shit be wack yo. Actually a lot of those old platformers are annoying as hell to play on not a gamepad.

 

[Rad Party God]

Hmmm... Titanfall looks like it could be a lot of fun...

*ahem* Well said Jim, yeah, let people keep bitching about resolutions, just like they were 20 years ago, bitchin' about how the Genesis had a higher resolution than the SNES, or that the SNES had a better sound chip than the Genesis*.

That discussion was retarded 20 years ago and it's still retarded today.

[small]Little disclaimer: I don't give a shit about wich one is objectively "better", both systems had awesome games. Also the SNES was better. That's a fact.[/small]

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

Yeah 1080p would be nice, especially when gaming on a massive tv. But still its not like the games look like an unplayable mess due to them being 780p. Its all about the games, a crappy game is still crap regardless of frame rate and resolution. Its why i enjoy playing vanilla Morrowind more on the Xbox than i did Skyrim on the 360.

But again, once people start playing and enjoying the new batch of next gen games, then more will be made of them than how they look.

 

[GoaThief]

Children of the Resolution

Is 720p really as good as 1080p? Jimquisition argues that you can't fool the children of the resolution. Also, this whole controversy is really quite funny, when you consider the ironic bit.

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Love the title, we need more lyrics/quotations. Here's my submission;

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The Resolution Will Not Be Televised

But I don't since literally every single test has shown that people using Keyboard and mouse always wipe the floor with people using gamepads, even IF the gamepad users have aim-correction.

Whilst I think the attitude expressed in the original post that kicked all this off was a little combative, what you're saying isn't necessarily true either.

Spoiler: Screenies

 

[anthony87]

My thoughts on the whole thing can be surmised like this:

"Resouwha? Is that a game there? Cool, givvus a go!".

I know some people get stiffys for higher and higher resolutions but personally I don't give a shit as long as I have something to play.