Jimquisition: Defending Call of Duty
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Eh. I'd respect his arguments a lot more if they actually were backed up. Mostly it's a mix of strawmen (he poses as a pretentious art douche) and anecdotal evidence (people I'VE met aren't jerks) that he's basing this on, and honestly it wasn't that funny. But I guess it's hard to defend or attack something like COD without falling into these.
However, COD 4 still stands as a good game in my eyes, I like some of the perks and while the story's stupid it's grand fun in some ways.
I guess my biggest gripe with the game was the ten dollar price hike/IW network they pulled on PC, but on consoles they stand out as AAA shooters. there wasn't much of a point to either, and yes, I'm aware I sound like a pretentious PC gamer.
However, COD 4 still stands as a good game in my eyes, I like some of the perks and while the story's stupid it's grand fun in some ways.
I guess my biggest gripe with the game was the ten dollar price hike/IW network they pulled on PC, but on consoles they stand out as AAA shooters. there wasn't much of a point to either, and yes, I'm aware I sound like a pretentious PC gamer.
Have you ever actually played a TF2 game?BlacklightVirus said:
There is not a single hint of teamwork in there.The most team work anyone does is setting up a turret.
Also, I don't think it's either MW or TF is a game that defined modern shooters. It was Halo, way back in 2001.
While Team Fortress 2 is a great deal of fun, it didn't bring anything new to the table. Its more of a casual-friendly Day of Defeat with a good sense of humor than a revolutionary shooter.Dyp100 said:Have you ever actually played a TF2 game?BlacklightVirus said:
The most team work anyone does is setting up a turret.
Also, I don't think it's either MW or TF is a game that defined modern shooters. It was Halo, way back in 2001.
Modern Warfare, like it or not, brought some new mechanics into the genre that keep a greater number of people playing for longer because they feel like they are always progressing. These mechanics add even more fun to the multiplayer FPS, which is the reason for its success and why other developers try to implement those mechanics into their own games. Because they work.
If you gonna hate CoD, hate it for the fact that Activision only cares about the Xbox360 version while PC/PS3 users get an inferior port. Hate it because of the 15$ map packs.
Hate it for proper reasons, not because its popular.
I love CoD. D: Don't hate on me.Fullmetalfox said:While Team Fortress 2 is a great deal of fun, it didn't bring anything new to the table. Its more of a casual-friendly Day of Defeat with a good sense of humor than a revolutionary shooter.Dyp100 said:Have you ever actually played a TF2 game?BlacklightVirus said:
The most team work anyone does is setting up a turret.
Also, I don't think it's either MW or TF is a game that defined modern shooters. It was Halo, way back in 2001.
Modern Warfare, like it or not, brought some new mechanics into the genre that keep a greater number of people playing for longer because they feel like they are always progressing. These mechanics add even more fun to the multiplayer FPS, which is the reason for its success and why other developers try to implement those mechanics into their own games. Because they work.
If you gonna hate CoD, hate it for the fact that Activision only cares about the Xbox360 version while PC/PS3 users get an inferior port. Hate it because of the 15$ map packs.
Hate it for proper reasons, not because its popular.
I do have Activision though, for charging so much for the MW series. It costs more over here and I don't find it very fair.
I can't wait for MW3 and I have a feeling that the PC version will be better than before. I think this is a perfect time to get into PC gaming, good thing I just made my computer. -Pats her-
@Dyp100
My post was a response to BlacklightVirus, I agree with the first 2 sentences you wrote, which is why I quoted you as well, mate.
Me, I'm more of a Killzone 3 guy btw.
My post was a response to BlacklightVirus, I agree with the first 2 sentences you wrote, which is why I quoted you as well, mate.
Me, I'm more of a Killzone 3 guy btw.
Now see, that's why I proposed you write an article or challenge them to attempt to refute your claims in their own articles\videos -- there's a lot of ground for a good debate here. The problem is that too few people have read you arguments ?? few consider Escapist forums a soup box worth listening to and let's not forget, this is a Jimquisition thread, a proper troll stomping ground if there ever was one. I don't really post on or read forums all that much myself (only when a fay mood takes me), thus I happened upon your post by accident and read it just because it was so freaking HUGE. "Well this person sure has something to say and they have few posts so it's somewhat unlikely to be poorly thought out drivel of some sort." And hey, it was very much worth a read, so why not take this to a larger audience? It'd feel much more satisfying.mfeff said:
I struggle with the English language quite a bit and it takes me some time to formulate sentences half-properly, so I hope you'll forgive if my own assertions are rather less than comprehensive.
I agree that there's a good deal of "borrowing and modifying" when it comes to Japanese culture as a whole and the "Conformist Society" bit also rings a number of bells with me. What I don't agree with, however, is the amount of credit you're willing to give them in proportion to other culture's\countries. Jeez, if you'd only seen the amount of poorly programmed "made in Motherland" schlock we get in CIS! And then there's the practice of using us as
As for copying game mechanics and environments -- CIS has a fair amount of that going on.
One of the
There's more where that came from, but let's not be too harsh, neither east nor west is truly innocent of this ?? dozens of Diablo and War\StarCraft clones will attest to that.
Every industry and every country has a minority consisting of those who innovate, and the majority composed of those who follow. If an industry is large enough it's easy to lose sight of the first group.
About hentai game related sites being blocked: Wasn't that collateral damage from The RapeLay debacle? [http://www.gossipgamers.com/hentai-game-developer-updates-site-explaining-foreign-ip-ban/] Furthermore, I believe there exists a sentiment that most westerners only pirate hentai games, especially untranslated ones; thus, some modding communities see no reason to share legal mods with them.
Lastly, technological expertise:
I'm not really equipped to argue about technological competence of Japanese console programmers, but I do feel that you're skewing the general image a bit. While hentai game market is rather vast, it's mostly occupied by small companies and indie developers, who either don't have the resources or the need for high-quality 3D graphics. Their income per company is not comparable to that of the small console game developers.
I could speculate why Japanese PC market exactly the way it is, how it has something to do with the very strong home console and arcade cabinet markets, developers concentrating their resources on platforms that are easy to manage and market, etc. But that is just induction on my part, and the dictionary tells me that "... an inductive argument may be highly probable, yet lead from true premises to a false conclusion". There are grounds for reasonable doubt here, Is what I'm saying. By
Curses! My scandalous hypocrisy revealed!mfeff said:It's localized not localised... see how that works?
Just kiddin!
I reposted that huge "thing" in the proper forum, and have yet to receive a response, I do not expect one.Allan Foe said:
Kudos to you for mastering the English language, you know it better than I do! I do not often write on forums for the very reasons you mentioned, and beyond that, my expertise is almost all technical, not really literary, weakness through over specialization I suppose.
Again I agree with the notion of sending them directly, a properly constructed argument, but to be fair, I don't have the time to really get into this "old" argument again, and I honestly do not feel it is my place/job/duty to correct working professionals on there lack of professionalism.
They have an audience, it is just (audience - 1) now, hardly a big loss. They get rid of a detractor, I don't have to sit through another pompous video, everyone wins.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.287023-Extra-Credits-NOT-a-Security-Episode?page=10#11349639
Pretty much says it all.
I am glad you said it, copy and paste is very human and hardly knows racial or national borders. We could go on and on about it, but we already agree so why?
More to my notion of the thing is that Japan, simply due to geography and being an island tends to import a lot of stuff from all over the world. In many ways, they do not cloud the issue though. They don't go around and say "this is Japanese", they remain rather silent on the whole thing. I feel it is due to it being a cultural "non issue". It is part and parcel of the having of imported the Chinese aesthetic, and by and large, consider it more of a Pacific Rim Asiatic aesthetic that they are culturally inherited to. I don't think we should miss the forest for the trees on this.
From my own experience with even Japanese martial philosophy, having of had the opportunity to work with native Japanese, they tend to "respect" people who "respect" them in turn. Really big into saving face, and honor, and loosing graciously. Far more than the religion, and that is also Japanese. There is a lot of ritual, and in that they have a notion of all warriors, that embrace the way, are in some weird and wonderful way, they see me and you as being Japanese with the unfortunate karma of having of been born, not of Japanese blood.
Why reinvent the wheel?
Played all that by the way, all good games in there own right.
I have a programming philosophy, if I can lock you in a room without references, and you can write the Coin Op Gauntlet with 4 player multiplayer, you are a game programmer.
I can count on my two hands the number of people I thought that could do that, and have fingers left over. It's a gift, a level of expertise, and as I mentioned before, the European's are becoming some of the best on planet earth at it. Has much to do with a very strong educational system that values hard science, and not BS science like law.
Witcher 2, Battlefield 3, those are just the tip of the iceberg of the talent we are going to see... X4 Rebirth? I'm wet.
Your ninja is strong!
What is there to say, other than you are right?
See, I like you because your are immune to bullshit, a rare gift, I sorta blame it on you being from the Ukraine.
One of my kendo buddies is a doctor from the Ukraine, 3rd dan WKF. I would willingly trade you 100 worthless clowns from my country for 1 more of him, and pitty you for taking such a bad deal.
If you were to take an anime like Akira and really study it and compare it to something like Eden of the East, we are able to see the cultural shift in the youth of Japan. Fascinating stuff, and as I said before sort of sad.
Nah, they have really excellent programmers, they just don't make games. It does not pay enough. There native games market cannot support 100 million dollar games that are not going to be exported... there are simply not enough Japanese gamers. All of Japans real science is tied up in Eco friendly solutions, by and large because they have crossed a 0 point threshold in the country. They simply cannot feed and fuel all there stuff. There population is in a decline, one of the biggest reasons they are as heavily into robots as they are. Thats the whole Mecha thing. I could write a book on this, but let's look at that shit video again.Lastly, technological expertise:
I'm not really equipped to argue about technological competence of Japanese console programmers, but I do feel that you're skewing the general image a bit. While hentai game market is rather vast, it's mostly occupied by small companies and indie developers, who either don't have the resources or the need for high-quality 3D graphics. Their income per company is not comparable to that of the small console game developers.
I could speculate why Japanese PC market exactly the way it is, how it has something to do with the very strong home console and arcade cabinet markets, developers concentrating their resources on platforms that are easy to manage and market, etc. But that is just induction on my part, and the dictionary tells me that "... an inductive argument may be highly probable, yet lead from true premises to a false conclusion". There are grounds for reasonable doubt here, Is what I'm saying. Byprovokingnudging you towards adueldebate with someone more competent I only hope to find the truth
I said that Vanquish is based on Casshern. I said it because the director of the game said it. He also made mega man, its the same damn game.
Casshern is focused on the environment, and to some degree a sorta notion that the souls of people who are not making it to nirvana are being reborn into a sort of crap sack world. Akira, is the same thing, Eden of the East, same thing... it's in the psyche of the people, because the environment is a HUGE issue there. In a small way theres some cultural religious connotations but it depends on which Casshern cannon you wanna talk about. Does not have shit to do with whatever Daniel was rambling about. It's a lot to do with notions of "what sort of world will our children inherit?" A crap sack world, if they don't come together as a people and come up with a real solution. Final Fantasy 7 and 7 Advent Children, same thing, slightly different aesthetic borrowing from gnosticism.
You want a REAL Japanese story, I suggest something like Tekkonikreet (white guy director interestingly enough), or Macross Plus 4 part mini series.
Friend add. Thanks for having a brain!
Your the kind of enemy I dream about... one who cares as much as I do.
You would give me, a good death.
This video is worth your time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-XojOf4L6M&feature=channel_video_title
I have played over 200 hours of TF2. If you play with good people there's a lot of teamwork. I often play spy so if you coordinate it right you can sap a sentry so that your team can destroy it while it's incapacitated. I don't want to get into it in too much detail, but if you focus on one class primarily and learn how to play it properly, and then play with other people who can play a class properly then teamwork the teamwork really shows.Dyp100 said:Have you ever actually played a TF2 game?BlacklightVirus said:
The most team work anyone does is setting up a turret.
Also, I don't think it's either MW or TF is a game that defined modern shooters. It was Halo, way back in 2001.
You know, before I found your shameless self important attitude annoying and exasperating, but now I find it endearing as one might find the annoyances of a puppy.
I think its been said in here already, but the fact that it is so huge is why it's bad. I'm going to back off on that though. Take a look at farmville, no really, take a look at it. Look what it's done to the industry. Companies are now scrambling to get in on that demographic and make the big money there and are disregarding traditional video games. That might be ok 5-10 years from now when it naturally levels out one way or another, but right now it throws a lot of people under the bus. So don't start a video saying games like Farmville aren't hurting anyone. That's just wrong.
I think its been said in here already, but the fact that it is so huge is why it's bad. I'm going to back off on that though. Take a look at farmville, no really, take a look at it. Look what it's done to the industry. Companies are now scrambling to get in on that demographic and make the big money there and are disregarding traditional video games. That might be ok 5-10 years from now when it naturally levels out one way or another, but right now it throws a lot of people under the bus. So don't start a video saying games like Farmville aren't hurting anyone. That's just wrong.
I was interested in what he was saying, but the way in which he presented it really turned me off. I can't say I'm a fan of the silly outfits and voices. I think being more serious, rather than silly would help make this more viewable, but then again you can't please everyone, and I'm sure there are people that find your style amusing.
Seeing as this is my first time watching this Jimquisition, maybe not all episodes are presented like this. It's just like MovieBob's reviews. I absolutely hated the storytime segment he started with in his Hangover 2 review, but seeing as I've seen other episodes of his, I know that not all reviews of his start that way. If they did all start that way then I would never watch his reviews. This could be the case here, but seeing as this is an opinion piece, and not a review(reviews, while still opinion, are more relevant to me, because I actually wanted someone's opinion on the quality of the game), I would be more reluctant to watch more episodes.
I doubt my opinion here will make much of an impact, but this was bugging me, and I wanted to share. I may watch another episode, and they may be nothing like this one, in which case I will change my opinion. If they are all presented in the same way, then obviously this show is not for me.
Seeing as this is my first time watching this Jimquisition, maybe not all episodes are presented like this. It's just like MovieBob's reviews. I absolutely hated the storytime segment he started with in his Hangover 2 review, but seeing as I've seen other episodes of his, I know that not all reviews of his start that way. If they did all start that way then I would never watch his reviews. This could be the case here, but seeing as this is an opinion piece, and not a review(reviews, while still opinion, are more relevant to me, because I actually wanted someone's opinion on the quality of the game), I would be more reluctant to watch more episodes.
I doubt my opinion here will make much of an impact, but this was bugging me, and I wanted to share. I may watch another episode, and they may be nothing like this one, in which case I will change my opinion. If they are all presented in the same way, then obviously this show is not for me.
Why haven't you gene dissolved this useless waste of bi0-matter escapist?
My problem isn't that the game isn't art enough it's because it is shovel ware shit with a community of 12 year old fuck wits who call you ****** every other second.
(and FYI I like angry birds)
My problem isn't that the game isn't art enough it's because it is shovel ware shit with a community of 12 year old fuck wits who call you ****** every other second.
(and FYI I like angry birds)
Certain amount of Gilding The Lily. The defense of Call Of Duty is solid enough. Simple rule of thumb, if something is insanely popular and gets great reviews, it's doing something right.
But I continue to hate when people come up with bullshit reasons why other people don't like the game. No matter how popular something is, no matter how great the reviews, there will be people who dislike it for completely justifiable reasons. Call Of Duty is getting some backlash, but mostly because it's negatively affecting other games.
But I continue to hate when people come up with bullshit reasons why other people don't like the game. No matter how popular something is, no matter how great the reviews, there will be people who dislike it for completely justifiable reasons. Call Of Duty is getting some backlash, but mostly because it's negatively affecting other games.