Jimquisition: Dynasty Warriors Is The Citizen Kane Of Gaming

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GonzoGamer

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GeneralFungi said:
You went a little insane during this episode Jim. I don't know if I should be calling you a psychiatrist or a priest.

But good episode none-the-less.
I can appreciate a bit of insanity. Between the mad cackle and the kick ass theme song, Jim should be a supervillain.
Let the freak flag fly.

I don't have anything against people liking bad games but it's annoying when they try to convince others it's good. Is he saying that every DW game is good or did he just really like the first one? If they only made one quality DW game a generation, they could be argued to be the Citizen Kane of gaming but with the oversaturation it's more like the Police Academy (okay American Pie for those of you who have no idea what Police Academy is) of gaming. Like any good series/artist, it needs to evolve (just a little) over time or else it becomes overspecialized and bland.

Crap, I thought Mystery Men was hilarious (maybe not as funny as Dynasty Warriors) but I don't ever plan to try and convince someone it was a good movie.
 

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92Sierra said:
Meanwhile, Koei has finally listened to me:http://troy-game.com/ I've been saying that they should do this since I first discovered Dynasty Warriors.
I think the game looks like it may have some AI issues from the gameplay video shown, but I enjoyed that the website accepted my date of birth as being in the year 1231

Big love for Gan Ning, And this video has made me actually go and download the MMO
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
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Koei has been using that setting since 1985.

The big lump of WW2 games didn't come until the mid-late 90s. I think it's adorable that people keep forgetting that.
Of course, that belies the commonality of shooter titles drenched in identical settings by dishonestly trying to pretend the number of years is more important than the quantity of titles.

But hey, if you really NEED to hide behind that, go for it.

Of course, the rest were still the lies Jim was addressing, so run with the dishonesty, I guess?
See, the funny thing is that most shooters aren't in identical settings. Their just the most popular. Yes there is a large quantity of WW2 shooters, but to be honest there are many other FPS games that aren't set in a world war environment. If your going to use FPS games as an example of games that are identical, then I gues you need to go play some BioShock, Metroid Prime, or F.E.A.R.

And even with the quantity of shooters that have the exact same environment, DW is still looked upon as repetitive because of ALL the other features in the game. The combat is weak compared to other hack and slash games.

You see Jim tries to defend the game being a mindless button masher by comparing it to games like: Super Mario because you just mash the jump button at the right time, or Contra because you use the shoot button all the time, or old school beat em ups like Streets of Rage.

The problem with that argument is that he didn't pick a game from the past 15 years to compare it to. That's because you can't without naming games that do what DW does, but infinitely better:
God Hand
Devil May Cry
Bayonetta
MadWorld
God of War
all better games and for good reason. They're all beat em up/hack and slash games but they are in no way as monotonous as Dynasty Warriors. The combat is more diverse, enemies actually have a chance, the games look nicer, the story in the games don't suck nearly as bad, and each series is unique in its own way.

Hell, even Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes (which is just Dynasty Warriors set in Japan) is more fun to play. With actual combo mechanics in the combat, a managable roster of characters that are actually unique to one another, and the fact that it doesn't take slogging through many hours of game filler to beat.

That's why people don't like DW. There are games that are just as "therapeutic" that do what DW does, much better. I just wish that DW was built with the same amount of respect that its spinoffs are. DW:Gundam was actually fun as hell, and so was Fist of The North Star: Ken's Rage.
 
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CriticKitten said:
Fair enough, you were using an implication, not an equivalence (DW is good -> DW is praised), so I guess I was wrong on that. Good one.

However I still disagree on that whatever it is "Devil Kings" does, DW does better. You never mentioned what exactly DW did better... apart from being "fresh and original". So, please do elaborate. After all your argument is, if I'm not mistaken: DK is a rip-off of DW (irrelevant in itself, since it tells me nothing about the quality of DW as a game nor does it lessen the quality of DK in any way). DW does everything better than DK, therefore DW is a better game.

Panayjon said:
Man, I'm full of shit today. Gotta see if my logical circuits are still intact. SW was indeed published by KOEI. Gotta check my sources first.
 

Ham Blitz

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Glad to hear that there are more quisitions to come.
On a side note:
Me and my brother used to play the crap out of the 3rd dynasty warriors both alone and coop. The only reason I never went on in the series was because our PS2 broke around the time of the next one, and we never got our ps2 fixed. I have to get the 7th one now, because watching that gameplay footage made me miss those good old days.
I will have to ask now, what is the difference between 7 and 7 Xtreme legends?
 

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I love the dynasty warriors series. I own all the games since 4. Including Samurai Warriors and Gundam and Empire offshoots. I have at time in the past called it my favorite game. I love rampaging the battlefield and beating the shit out of everything. I'm looking forward to the upcoming Dynasty Warriors One Piece I've heard about.

On a side note... these games have caused me to buy some things I normally wouldn't have. Like the Three Kingdoms novel (and 3 other classic chinese novels) and many Gundam anime series... The games scratch the surface of these realms and caused me to want to learn more.
 

CrossedBlades

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The Extreme Legends versions are like expansion packs with additional content and sometimes additional characters.
 

Ashley Blalock

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Oh no Jim is mad with power. But then mad with power is a bit more entertaining than mad without power.

Never really got into Dynasty Warriors myself but if they can keep cranking out games like they do then someone has to be buying them.
 

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He always speaks to those we won against when he leans forward and looks into the camera. Kinda makes it hard to stand by his side. Can't help staying there, though :)
 

Redem

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Huh...you kinda told me why Dynsaty Warrior is good but not really why its the Citizen kane of gaming
 

Alphakirby

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Great work commentators,you made Jim go off the damn deep end.
Also,I think Dynasty Warriors is a good game too,sometimes you do just want to beat shit up.
 

Grand_Arcana

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Okay, yeah, your show has improved. Or maybe I warmed up to you ever since the Square Enix episode. . . or maybe I missed EC in it's downtime, and you're kinda like EC Lite with sociopathic and narcissistic personality disorder for added giggles.
 

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Jim, it's great to see you're sticking around! Great point about games in general really. Most games, even if they are shit, can be appreciated for what they are - some can even be compared to great literary works of art (sometimes).

So than, what are the trashy romance novels of gaming?

Edit: spelling
 

MrEctomy

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I love Dynasty Warriors, though I do not agree with your saying that super mario bros and R-type are also button mashers just because you use one button. That was inaccurate. I also wouldn't say the game is a "laugh riot" just because they have a couple joke characters and poor voice acting/writing.
 

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THE CITIZEN KANE THING WAS NOT SERIOUS.

Now that's out the way, yeah I like it too, never really thought to defend it, I mean it is shallow and basic, with little real progression. And? The button mashing defence is an interesting one, I'll take it up and see if I can work it through properly, something about it doesn't sit well with me right now...

Anyway, yes I like DW. I make no lie of it, it is enjoyable to me.

DW7 still sucks balls though. High hopes for that game, parts of it work. Parts of it really, really don't.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
I said:
The thing that annoys me about DW is the crap load of games they make, with very little changed, it's the problem with games like Madden. I think cutting through throngs of enemies is a blast, and I do like DW games, especially DW: Gundam, but they release to damn many of them. Slow down the release schedule, and think of good features to add, and I will like DW even more.
Read above. The changes they made from 6 to 7 were huge.

Implementation of the Renbu System PROPERLY
Introuction of the actual winners of the war, the Jin, and all the characters that come with that.

A fun mode that isn't story mode, and a unique way to unlock new stuff.

But again, to non-fans, the changes don't appear.
What I mean is normally, for a while they're are no changes, of course, they will end up putting in good, new features, but, there are still points where sequels seem like the same game, I feel there are games in the middle that shouldn't exist, and some that feel like full sequels. You know what? Because of this video, I want to go buy the newest DW, and not the Gundam one...
 

Kenji_03

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I love Dynasty Warriors as well for the same reasons, and now am not ashamed of saying it (also, try "Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes", it's like Dynasty warriors, but with DevilMayCry humor)

Thank god, for Jim Sterling