Jimquisition: Fake Nerd Girls

[Orekoya]

Nope, I got the point here entirely. The "Hot Nerd Girl" pretty much does not exist, or exists in such small quantities as to be irrelevent, and warrent justified suspician any time it shows up, because pretty much anyone who fits that description is there for purposes of manipulation... period.

Likewise, the thing is that someone who is physically attractive is going to have people give them a chance no matter what their social skills happen to be. Hot girls can generally get away with being totally maladjusted B@tches if they want to, and still have people orbiting around them. A real nerd doesn't have those kinds of options or oppertunities, which is part of what makes them nerds. A nerd is an outcast that by definition nobody in society wants to deal with or really give a chance. An attractive girl generally cannot truely be a social outcast to this degree to be a real nerd. The options, and potential for acceptance, generally prohibit it.


Whether you, or Jim, agree with me or not is more or less irrelevent. The bottom line is these nerd girls are not being accepted by the rest of "the nerd herd" so to speak, the fact speaks for itself. I've explained, in detail no less, why this is, you can cry to the heavens about how it's wrong and unfair all you want but that won't change anything. It's also why mis-informed appeals like those of Jim Sterling are almost surely doomed for failure. Those that have been exploited or know those who have been are of course going to ignore him. Those that haven't been and listen will generally agree with him about as long as it takes for them to eventually be screwed.

I can see that there's no reason discussing this. Your entire foundation of this is built on stereotypes revolving around both nerds and girls. A nerd can't be attractive, hot girls get away with anything. It's all a pile of generalizations.

You're also discussing an entirely different topic than what we are refusing to admit the fact.

No, I'm not, you just don't want to admit that your wrong.

A "nerd" refers to a certain type of person, a stereotype yes, but like most stereotypes it exists and is accurate. The root of sociology in fact (everyone conforms to at least one stereotype, and usually more than one). In this case if your socially accepted your not a "nerd" because a nerd is by definition a social reject... period, full stop, no debate, that's it. You can have some of the same interests AS a nerd and fit into another group, but that doesn't make you a nerd.

The reason why we're going to have to agree to disagree, has little to do with me or my interpetation, but with yours, and an unwillingness to simply accept that your wrong. By your logic we wouldn't be having this discussion to begin with. Things don't just happen in a vaccum, the nerds didn't just decide to treat the so called "hot nerd girls" this way for no reason at all, which is the basic arguement you and Jim seem to be making, and that's fundementally ridiculous. I've explained the reasons for it. It would be nice if things were differant, but the issues here are ones that come down to such fundemental human behaviors that they aren't going to be settled by rational discourse. It would be nice if nobody was a nerd/social reject, dealing with the problem, or that hot girls didn't exploit those demographics (or try to) with great frequency, but sadly, that isn't the way the world is. This entire problem is simply reality being well... reality.

Spoiler: What is a nerd?

nerd [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nerd?s=t]
1. A stupid, irritating, ineffectual, or unattractive person.
2. An intelligent but single-minded person obsessed with a nonsocial hobby or pursuit.

nerd [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nerd]
1. An unstylish, unattractive, or socially inept person.
2. One slavishly devoted to intellectual or academic pursuits.

nerd [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nerd]
1. A foolish, inept, or unattractive person.
2. A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.

nerd [http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/nerd?region=us&q=nerd]
1. A foolish or contemptible person who lacks social skills or is boringly studious.
2. A single-minded expert in a particular technical field.

nerd [http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=nerd]
1. An insignificant student who is ridiculed as being affected or boringly studious.
2. An intelligent but single-minded expert in a particular technical field or profession.
3. Someone considered boring because of their obsessive hobby or narrow solitary interests.

nerd [http://www.shabdkosh.com/translate?e=nerd&l=hi]
1. An insignificant student who is ridiculed as being affected or boringly studious.
2. An intelligent but single-minded expert in a particular technical field or profession.

Alot of variations but what do these definitions have in common? None of them ends with "nerds have to be social rejects". The ones that mention social ineptness were listed with an 'or' qualifier meaning even having one of those traits makes that person a nerd.

Side note, the definitions that mention affected are referring to those that "speak or behave in an artificial way to make an impression". In other words if anyone fakes being a game nerd; that makes them a nerd.

 

[Jenvas1306]

Ah, you know what? NO
I reject this BS. I dont want to be acknowledged by these elitist-nerds as one of them. People would call me nerdy, and thats it. Its not a title and I'm not such a social reject that I need something to hold onto so badly.
NO. I dont want to get into your treehouse, it stinks.

I'm a fake not-nerd girl

 

[DigitalSushi]

Also for anyone reading with doubts,
Here's a handy questionnaire if you think your girlfriend is faking her nerdgasm's;
"Whats your fav Mario game?"
if the answer is "Super Mario Sunshine" then FAKE NERD GIRL
"Who is your hero?"
if the answer is anyone other than Gary Gygax or Gunpei Yokoi then FAKE NERD GIRL
"When did your parents cancel your subscription to Nintendo Power?"
if she replies, "Nintendo what?", I don't care how much you love her, you get that mainstream girl out your life this instance!

Get her out of your life? Did you ever have a relationship? Cause if you break it sorely on if she is nerd enough or not, then thats a sad statement about you as a person.

Also, you cant like the newer games? Being a nerd doesnt mean being into nostalgia, thats why we have the word nostalgia. (mario titles are anyways the same, if mario 64, sunshine or galaxy...).
Your 'qualifications' to be a nerd are really, really narrow. are you trying to make sure only you pass then?

Chill out dude, no need to call me sad over a post where I'm messing about.

If we were really to pass up potential partners on the basis of a nerd questionnaire then the criteria would be different for each person, the fact that anyone would need a questionnaire in the first place is absurd anyway.

And anyway, the only things I've asked of my girlfriends is for every chick flick I have to see with them then they have to watch Black Hawk Down with me, and they better cry at the sad bits too!, its a fucking deep film man, so many layers.

 

[DigitalSushi]

Ah, you know what? NO
I reject this BS. I dont want to be acknowledged by these elitist-nerds as one of them. People would call me nerdy, and thats it. Its not a title and I'm not such a social reject that I need something to hold onto so badly.
NO. I dont want to get into your treehouse, it stinks.

I'm a fake not-nerd girl

Sorry about that, I called you a dude! haha, the internet, wonderful place where your a dude until proven otherwise.

Also, calm down, I was poking fun at elitism, not being elitist myself. Naturally since I'm not as well versed at the English Language as Oscar Wilde my joke went off the mark, sorry about that.

 

[Jenvas1306]

Chill out dude, no need to call me sad over a post where I'm messing about.

If we were really to pass up potential partners on the basis of a nerd questionnaire then the criteria would be different for each person, the fact that anyone would need a questionnaire in the first place is absurd anyway.

And anyway, the only things I've asked of my girlfriends is for every chick flick I have to see with them then they have to watch Black Hawk Down with me, and they better cry at the sad bits too!, its a fucking deep film man, so many layers.

Dont call me dude btw, as a girl, I dont like that. I cant chill out more, its way too cold here. In fact I dont get mad at this stuff, its just so much BS that its hard to see if someone is being ironic about it. Thats why i changed my post, not quoting you anymore.

Alright...captcha: run amok
this system is truely weird...

 

[DigitalSushi]

Chill out dude, no need to call me sad over a post where I'm messing about.

If we were really to pass up potential partners on the basis of a nerd questionnaire then the criteria would be different for each person, the fact that anyone would need a questionnaire in the first place is absurd anyway.

And anyway, the only things I've asked of my girlfriends is for every chick flick I have to see with them then they have to watch Black Hawk Down with me, and they better cry at the sad bits too!, its a fucking deep film man, so many layers.

Dont call me dude btw, as a girl, I dont like that. I cant chill out more, its way too cold here. In fact I dont get mad at this stuff, its just so much BS that its hard to see if someone is being ironic about it. Thats why i changed my post, not quoting you anymore.

Alright...captcha: run amok
this system is truely weird...

Yeah I know your not a dude, if you care to look up, you'll see I've apologised to you about that indiscretion.

 

[Jenvas1306]

Chill out dude, no need to call me sad over a post where I'm messing about.

If we were really to pass up potential partners on the basis of a nerd questionnaire then the criteria would be different for each person, the fact that anyone would need a questionnaire in the first place is absurd anyway.

And anyway, the only things I've asked of my girlfriends is for every chick flick I have to see with them then they have to watch Black Hawk Down with me, and they better cry at the sad bits too!, its a fucking deep film man, so many layers.

Dont call me dude btw, as a girl, I dont like that. I cant chill out more, its way too cold here. In fact I dont get mad at this stuff, its just so much BS that its hard to see if someone is being ironic about it. Thats why i changed my post, not quoting you anymore.

Alright...captcha: run amok
this system is truely weird...

Yeah I know your not a dude, if you care to look up, you'll see I've apologised to you about that indiscretion.

wrote it before I could see your post, so just ignore it.

 

[Astro]

'Fake nerd girls' are clumsy charlatans, exploiting a demographic with a vulnerability to what they're peddling. They have plausible deniability because what they're doing is inherently consensual in terms of actions (though not in terms of motivations), and they just need to put themselves out there just a little for the attention they're seeking. it's slimy, passively predatory and lazy. A girl of this type is doing nothing but manipulating facets of the culture surrounding gaming because it's an easy target while bringing nothing to the table, this kind of girl is worthy of contempt and it's as simple as that. Maybe if you could choose to block them out completely, but implying that you can just 'stop' yourself from feeling exploited when you're sexually attracted to a member of the opposite sex who's doing everything to attract you in this way, just because you find it morally repugnant, is complete bozwollocks.

 

[Vault101]

What are you gonna do, call my posts a straw man fallacy?

I'm not responding to the rage novels you all wrote and I don't have to defend my life or pride in my hobbies to any of you. I proved my point. The "game" is over before it started.

you didn't prove anything

and your not "defending your life or pride in your hobbies" what your doing is saying [i/]"you arent a real gamer because you don't meet my bullshit Idea of what a gamer is"[/i]

so I ask you to please answer my question that I've asked you several times

"what about the fair number of male gamers who have not played dark souls?" I mean that's it right? there couldn't be anything else that disqualies me or any other of the people you accused from your fabled "gamer" status

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

For the 3 girls who claim to be gamers.

When did you beat Dark Souls?

Don't answer. You didn't.

It's one of my favourite games and yes I've finished it I also bought it on PC because I enjoyed it so much...why do you think I'm called MOONLIGHT BUTTERFLY...

JESUS CHRIST.

https://live.xbox.com/en-US/Activity/Details?titleId=1313671226

(and before you start ranting about my gamer score I mostly play on my PC which I built and overclocked myself you can check raptr on my profile for most of my games)

I am also backing Project Eternity, Wasteland 2, Doublefine Kickstarter and Path of Exile. What are you doing?

Also I'm pretty much responsible for Project Eternity getting ultra hard modes as a stretch goal

Your move bro.

 

[Vhite]

Ok, this isn't something I that I think too much about because, even if it exists, its minor problem but dismissing it completely is not what I would have done. I don't know how Jim sees this but here is what I imagine when I hear about this fake geek girl, however with a strange twist of not including women only.
Somewhere in the universe, there is a person who is a regular teenager. But because there isn't much to him/her and he/she wants to keep wide array of friend, he/she boasts about listening obscure bands, pretending to be an artist, or simply to be 2deep4u (a.k.a. hipster). This person then hears about rise of the NERD culture, seeing how there is Big Bang Theory on TV, successful NERDS {you may start to notice I don't like how this word sounds} getting rich everywhere and whatnot. So, to impress his/hers ignorant friends, this person decides to become geek and hang around geeks.
Now lets move to online communities where this problem manifests. Since the person who suddenly wants to become part of the culture wants to see results soon and because they were used to doing it this way outside of the NERD culture, they try to get an attention of as many people that are part of the culture so they can quickly become friends (even very short lasting one) and thus acknowledging the NERDiness and sense of belonging of the individual.
Now sadly, there is stereotype which is sometimes true, and that is that most of the nerds/gamers/geeks are immature basement dwellers whose only female attention is that of their mum. It doesn't take more than two synapses two realize, that is such community, a female nerd/gamer/geek would be a big thing. This person then, depending on his sex, either pretends to be a female or makes sure that everyone knows. Now, as we all know, this stereotype is mostly not true and even when it is, such people aren't usually that desperate for female attention to notice that something is wrong.Sadly, this still isn't how others see us.
So where is the problem here? Cant we just give them some attention when it doesn't cost us anything? This is maybe just my opinion but I think that if we return to topic of being called hipster or in mild case wannabe (do not confuse with newbie, in all cases they are new to the community but they treat the rest of the members otherwise), I would say that most communities don't like them due to fact they make their community look worse or maybe just different than they expect to be seen. Especially when is it a sort of person that likes to draw attention. However, these people are few, and I think they can change opinions of only few individuals at best. But because its much easier too see mistakes of people who just don't belong, they usually get to carry much more guilt in eyes of us hard true NERDS which I think is the reason why this problem exists.
To wrap this up, I don't think this really is a problem all that much unless people become paranoid and start to see these people where they are not or give them to much of an importance, because when it is a problem, it doesn't really have anything to do with sexual insecurity within the community as I perceived Mr Sterling wraped it up to be, but rather insecurity of community that wants to hold tightly together reacted with a strange attempt of rare kind of people to continue their lifestyle in evolving society (just to make me sound smart).

I said I don't think about this too much? Huh. But now I can't just go and say "Nah, this wont do." and delete it so here you go.

 

[Slash2x]

1. If you truly identify with a specific group or section of society that does not require admission, a formal process, or certain DNA. Congratz you are in!! There is no damn test to be a NERD or a GAMER.

I disagree with that one. Just because a group has no clear-cut border, it can still have a definition that obviously excludes at least some people who are very distant from it.

If I, as a full-blood Hungarian who has never left mainland Europe, would claim to be a Scotsman, you would be entirely justified to call me out on being No True Scotsman.

The fallacy only applies to situations where you are making up criteria on the spot, such as old man MacDonald living in Scotland, born in Scotland, and speaking Scots, is No True Scotsman if he doesn't support the Scottish independence movement.

Or like saying that I'm No True Gamer if I avoid strategy games.

But it's still possible to pretend to be a gamer in a way in which you are actually not.

3. If there are men out there who are pissed at women who do this in a social setting to them personally?.. You are morons, a girl doing this wants your attention you asexual idiots. Ask her out and even if it is fake interest it can become genuine interest if gaming becomes a ?thing? the two of you do.

I think it's more about girls (and people in general) acting like that on their youtube channels, or in their social circles, not specifically about a flirting situation.

1A. Hence my statement about a specific criteria being needed for SOME groups/names/titles. If there is no Scott in your DNA(read lineage) then that would be a rather ludicrous claim. Also people can still claim whatever they want for a free form term like Gamer because who is going to stop them? Sure people can complain about it but that is all.

3A. Your example and mine are different so I see where you are going with that. I am talking about on a personal level, I have heard various men try complaining about this while I was in the room.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Well, that's just it. Nerds are NOT "heroes of old". They were not "fighting for" anything, and especially not for nerdiness being mainstream, just wanted to be left alone as a subculture.

And that's why your analogy is inherently faulty. a civil rights activits who hates present kids having civil rights, is a HYPOCRITE, because his acts are going against his claimed goals.

But not every group can be expected to struggle for total inclusiveness.

For example, it would be pretty weird to say that the original punk rockers should feel happy about big corporations commercializing their mannerisms, and kids imitating their "popular" clothing and hairstyles. After all, these these would be pretty much directly opposed to their whole underlying ideology, about being anti-consumerist, anti-mainstream, and anti-normal.

Or that indie game fans shoul feel happy about Electronic Arts releasing a so-called "indie bundle". Even if it imitates typical indie games with cheap small games, the indie commnunity was also about something more than that, about independence, and free artistic thoughts, so EA of all things imitating them is pretty crude.

You are talking as if the mainstream trying to jump on a bandwagon by copying references, would automatically count as "winning the good fight", so we should all lay back. But that's not the case. Just because EA is publishing something that it calls an "indie bundle", doesn't mean that the indie movement defeated EA's corparate system, quite the opposite.

Likewise, just because now the most ordinary, popular, socially and phsysically attractive people are calling themselves "nerds" while they are watching the most popular movies of our times and playing on their phones just as the giant billboard ad tells them to, doesn't mean that the older underlying paradigm of the subculture that they imitate, has won. Quite the opposite.

Traits like being socially awkward, or being obsessive about a niche interest, are just as mocked as they ever were, it's just a shift of brandings, where the old nerds' identity was recycled for mainstream usage, and now we have to reclaim another insult for ourselves.

I dont see why a group shouldnt fight for total inclusiveness. The only reasons i can imagine are purely selfish and based on a weak shriveled ego that NEEDS to feel elite and select to survive. I play games for ME. Not for anyone else. Ironically by caring about the title gamer and how others perceive it a person commits the same crime as "fake game girls". Playing games with the perception of others as a factor, caring what others think of their gaming. Caring what people think about your hobby and who knows their place in being part of the subculture or not. Ive always been a believer in the fact that you can define your interests as you please and no one can change those things. They can have different names for them and can use them. But if you wanna feel like a gamer because it makes you happier power to you. Let no one gatekeep.

Perhaps i go too far saying they should be happy. They have no reason to be happy these things are happening. But other than selfishness who cares what other people do and define themselves as. People are free to do as they please and it has NO effect on you. Do these "posers" stealing and corrupting the punk rock message kill old punk rock bands, destroy the idea the original one stood for? No it has no effect whatsoever on what happens inside a persons head. The love of the music, the idea and the style can never be destroyed by someone else taking bits and pieces of those because it makes them happier. It feels like a subtle form of elitism to desire the destruction of sub cultures who are similar to your group but lack important "factors" in order to keep your sub culture "Pure" and "unique". I have to question why ANYONE should care what others do as long as you have your niche and no one can stop you from being in it.

I fail to see how we have "Lost" anything just because others have taken some good parts of our culture because they enjoy them. I have lost nothing. I still play games and love them much like i did before and everyone else who i shared this with is still alive, in fact i have met more recently than i ever have before. More people know what im talking about than ever before. I still know what i like and how much i like it and how it defines me. If other people can call that into question just by LIKING things then you need to get over it basically.

We dont need to reclaim anything. Society is basically constant change as far back as records go. Todays taboo is tomorrows mainstream and it basically always has been. Just because ours has been warped to become todays mainstream doesnt mean we cant still enjoy what we always have enjoyed.

 

[Phasmal]

Snip

I seriously would not even bother.
Dude went on my ignore list after his `WAAH GIRLS IN MY TREEHOUSE` post.

I'm gonna keep playing games.
I'm in your fandoms.
Touching everything.
I'm gonna get my girl cooties ALL the way up in gaming.
And there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I mean, sure, you can try the bitching route. Call me not a real gamer.
That wont stop us.
And eventually, being a girl who plays games will be no deal at all and the only people pissing and moaning about it will be the sad pathetic people who will try and try and try to push us out.
Too late.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Snip

I seriously would not even bother.
Dude went on my ignore list after his `WAAH GIRLS IN MY TREEHOUSE` post.

I'm gonna keep playing games.
I'm in your fandoms.
Touching everything.
I'm gonna get my girl cooties ALL the way up in gaming.
And there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It just made me and my friends lol quite hard that he chose the one game my fricking username is from. Great move there...

/facepalm.

My mate Dave just pointed out that there is absolutely nothing to back up his claims to godly gamerhood and yet he's calling us out. Double standards are great aren't they.

 

[Jenvas1306]

Snip

I seriously would not even bother.
Dude went on my ignore list after his `WAAH GIRLS IN MY TREEHOUSE` post.

I'm gonna keep playing games.
I'm in your fandoms.
Touching everything.
I'm gonna get my girl cooties ALL the way up in gaming.
And there is nothing any of you can do to stop me.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

agreed. maybe I even wear gamer shirts and pretend to not even know who mario is.

 

[Phasmal]

It just made me and my friends lol quite hard that he chose the one game my fricking username is from. Great move there...

/facepalm.

Indeed, was a failworthy move.
I love these people, they make me feel so powerful.
They think I have the power to RUIN everything with my girlness.
And there is nothing they can do about it.
The female spy is already in the base.

agreed. maybe I even wear gamer shirts and pretend to not even know who mario is.

Mario?
Is that, like, the one on the PlayBox? *hairflip*
I prefer Call Of Honour.