Jimquisition: Hate Out Of Ten
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That game DOES have bad graphics. See the tree to the right? That is just a ball, with a leafy texture over it. The developers noised the crap out of the trees in the left of the second picture to give them depth, which they never had. Now that I look at it, all the trees are essentially stacked up lampshades. The fact that that game can't hold up on screenshots alone makes it obvious that its mechanics are painfully simple, as in static environment and static audio, plus a lack of intelligent pathfinding. Not only that but the aesthetic sucks as well. The grass varies from hand drawn to somewhat realistic in a matter of feet, and all the wood is hand drawn, while most of the trees are aiming to be realistic. I am fine with shitty graphics if it is a good game, but nobody in their right mind can say that that is technically advanced at all.Worgen said:
Especially not uncharted 3. Can anyone in their right mind rate an 8 hour standard shooter over a 300 hour multi play style open ended epic like skyrim?Bara_no_Hime said:
No, you see, I can save time by not reading it, and spend that time complaining. If I took the time reading the review, I wouldn't have as much time complaining about it.EverythingIncredible said:
And this is why this is one of my favourite web shows on the internet.
Nail on the fucking head!
Nail on the fucking head!
That doesn't answer the question. What's the difference between an 82 or an 83, or an 86 and an 87? By the way, there is no way to accurately summarize his opinion with a number. To paraphrase Yahtzee in his Mailbag Showdown video, complex opinions cannot be accurately expressed via a single number.veloper said:
Bullshit.Abandon4093 said:
Again, it's one point. What's the difference between an 89 and a 90? NOTHING. You say the reviewer is not comfortable giving it a 90? I say explain this clear difference between 89 and 90 that you see in real terms. And no, just saying "he gives it an 89 because he doesn't want to give it a 90" is not a clear difference. See these?Abandon4093 said:
http://www.destructoid.com/the-official-destructoid-review-guide-2011-203909.phtml
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/7149-What-Our-Review-Scores-Mean
Write something like that for 80 through 90 showing a clear, reasonable difference between each increment so everyone can see the difference between an 82 and an 83, or a 89 and a 90, without confusion. If you can't tell me the difference between an 89 and a 90, there's no point in having an 89 and a 90.
Of course, the true solution is to not have review scores at all or to just stop paying so much attention to them and actually read the review itself, not to further complicate a system that most people are already too dumb to understand by throwing more numbers into it.
Anyone in their right mind would know not to compare the scores of a third person shooter and an RPG in the first place.brainslurper said:
If I was reviewing games, I would use a few rules for the 1 - 10 scale:
'Average' in any area is FIVE. This means that the average triple-A title would receive a 5/10. Features that are better than average and push the envelope would get higher scores, thus bringing up the game's rating. Features that are substandard, suck, or are missing would drag down the rating.
A 5.0 wouldn't mean that a game sucks - merely that it is average. Spending millions of dollars in development means nothing special.
Take your all-time favorite game...ever. Is it perfect? Is there any feature anywhere in any game that you think would make it better? Or any feature you can possibly comprehend that would add to the experience? Then it's not perfect.
No game anywhere deserves a perfect 10.0 score. In my opinion, Half Life 2's storyline MIGHT qualify for an 8.0 - but that's pushing it. Eve probably doesn't deserve an 8.0 for its open-endedness. World of Warcraft likely wouldn't get an 8.0 for its social community from me.
When Modern Warfare 7 comes out...how many people will even remember that Modern Warfare [most recent one to date] even exists? Or how about Battlefield 9, Halo 11, or Madden 2023? If your game is transient, then it's not perfect. It's not great. It's probably not even that good.
It is average. (Maybe less.)
'Average' in any area is FIVE. This means that the average triple-A title would receive a 5/10. Features that are better than average and push the envelope would get higher scores, thus bringing up the game's rating. Features that are substandard, suck, or are missing would drag down the rating.
A 5.0 wouldn't mean that a game sucks - merely that it is average. Spending millions of dollars in development means nothing special.
Take your all-time favorite game...ever. Is it perfect? Is there any feature anywhere in any game that you think would make it better? Or any feature you can possibly comprehend that would add to the experience? Then it's not perfect.
No game anywhere deserves a perfect 10.0 score. In my opinion, Half Life 2's storyline MIGHT qualify for an 8.0 - but that's pushing it. Eve probably doesn't deserve an 8.0 for its open-endedness. World of Warcraft likely wouldn't get an 8.0 for its social community from me.
When Modern Warfare 7 comes out...how many people will even remember that Modern Warfare [most recent one to date] even exists? Or how about Battlefield 9, Halo 11, or Madden 2023? If your game is transient, then it's not perfect. It's not great. It's probably not even that good.
It is average. (Maybe less.)
You're no different than those people complaining about the review score because something got 8/10. Quite sad.brainslurper said:
Wow, what a waste of space. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.Link XL1 said:
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Given that Jim Sterling has been commenting about this issue quite a lot over the past month (on Destructoid), I'm not all that surprised about today's content. Needless to say, I agree with Jim's opinion. I think this is an issue that needs to be aired out more often because the attitudes and perceptions surrounding numeric averages have become a mea culpa of the gaming community.
I personally get around this issue by limiting myself to the text of a review and avoiding the winery of the gamer elite.
Good point on this vid Jim.People should stop hating on the number 8.
Also +1 because you took off your glasses for the first time on this show.
I'm impressed.
Also +1 because you took off your glasses for the first time on this show.
I'm impressed.
Hey, you made this argument with Russ Pitts on his podcast~! Not that I'm complaining, it's still interesting to hear. I agree though, there are entire websites I just don't use because their scores are far too high and their descriptions so similar that it's hard to distinguish between the quality of games. If anything nowadays I just skim over the review summaries of most review sites and pick based on that. In truth, most my memorable game experiences have come from games that are 7s. It used to be the case that 6 and up was good enough for me, the higher the better, nowadays I find myself more interested in the 6-7.9 games because that at least implies there's something different enough about them not to fit in what's quickly becoming a very generic bracket for game scores.
In other words most reviewers are being silly and it's getting hard to interpret their opinions in any coherent way.
In other words most reviewers are being silly and it's getting hard to interpret their opinions in any coherent way.
All i gotta say is, if i made a game that got an 8/10 with reviews...i wouldn't complain i'd jump for freaking joy and shout everybody on the development team a night out at the pub! Good god, what is wrong with people: 8/10 is a damned good score. Infact, anything above 6 is atleast at a level of 'playable'. If something like, say, Skyrim got a 1/10 in an incredibly biased review...yeah, ok, start that shit-storm rolling cause something is wrong. But going that crazy over a 9/10? Wow..
I was going to write a very long post, but that picture nails every point. Good Show.Scrumpmonkey said:[HEADING=2] I Shall make my post in Poster Form;[/HEADING]
Oh my god. The zelda comment actually stopped him from reminding us to thank god for him.
To be fair...eurogamer are often excessively harsh. Not really worth getting so angry about, true, at least not for a near perfect game being seen as a great game, although it could be on the occasions eurogamer marks an okay game as rubbish.
Maybe it's the metascore? Alot of people depend on metacritic as a mark of how good a game is, I even use it basically as a series of links to reviews, so maybe fans of particular games get mad at scores only a couple of marks off of perfection because it'll harm the metascore? Seems petty, but at least it's some reason for this madness!
To be fair...eurogamer are often excessively harsh. Not really worth getting so angry about, true, at least not for a near perfect game being seen as a great game, although it could be on the occasions eurogamer marks an okay game as rubbish.
Maybe it's the metascore? Alot of people depend on metacritic as a mark of how good a game is, I even use it basically as a series of links to reviews, so maybe fans of particular games get mad at scores only a couple of marks off of perfection because it'll harm the metascore? Seems petty, but at least it's some reason for this madness!
You said it yourself Jim... when the average of a good game is from 9.5 to 10, and then suddenly what you believe is going to be a great game gets an 8, you think "either this game is fucking awful, or the reviewers have some brain damage". Since fanboys just can't accept a game they are hyped about might not actually be as good at they think, the problem is obviously reviewers being "trolls" here.
What to do here: Stop giving games a number.
What to do here: Stop giving games a number.
God I hate fanboism. Just come off IGN and the comment section was going mental over review scores. I have to say I completely and totally agree with this video; a 'ten out of ten' is a perfect and umique game that has no faults at all (giving it the best overall score)where as 'five out of ten' would qualify for most games as that is the average score in that system. To be clear, average = most games and in which an 'eight' should count as a great game (portal, hl2, RDR, etc) and only a couple truely exceptional games reaching higher.