Jimquisition: I'm Going To Murder Your Children

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jluzar20

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
jluzar20 said:
Yeah, I know he's not calling me a sick fuck personally, but white knights always leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
Oh look, another guy who didn't watch the video.

He can't really be a white knight when he also mentioned the men getting death threats as well (one of whom, Phil Fish, had gotten an entire episode from Jim himself), eh?
You lost me...
I mentioned how the last few videos, the Phish one included, seemed to have a theme of him beating us with his moral superiority. Sounds white knightish to me, and less than deserving of an entertainment video column.
 

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jluzar20 said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
jluzar20 said:
Yeah, I know he's not calling me a sick fuck personally, but white knights always leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
Oh look, another guy who didn't watch the video.

He can't really be a white knight when he also mentioned the men getting death threats as well (one of whom, Phil Fish, had gotten an entire episode from Jim himself), eh?
You lost me...
I mentioned how the last few videos, the Phish one included, seemed to have a theme of him beating us with his moral superiority. Sounds white knightish to me, and less than deserving of an entertainment video column.
The definition of a white knight

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white%20knight

It doesn't really match up with what Jim is doing at all.
 

cthulhuspawn82

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How many people honestly sent death threats to Hepler about her children? I bettering it was no more then a few(3-4) and likely as little as 1.

The problem is that this stuff is meant to stir up fake controversy. Its an excuse for the victim to point the finger at all of us and tell us what a bad group of people we are. I think its deplorable that someone would send death threats about a Woman's children. That doesn't mean I am OK with the victims of such crimes using it as an excuse to shout, "Look, look, I'm being oppressed" and try to villainize against all of their critics, including the one that only make fair and logical criticism and don't send death threats, by putting them in the same category.

If I were in the same position as her, and got those death threats, none of you would know about it. I would simply delete the email. If I felt it was a real enough treat I would tell the police. I wouldn't feel the need to post them on a blog or message board somewhere as a means of casting guilt on the gaming community and bashing my critics.
 

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erttheking said:
jluzar20 said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
jluzar20 said:
Yeah, I know he's not calling me a sick fuck personally, but white knights always leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
Oh look, another guy who didn't watch the video.

He can't really be a white knight when he also mentioned the men getting death threats as well (one of whom, Phil Fish, had gotten an entire episode from Jim himself), eh?
You lost me...
I mentioned how the last few videos, the Phish one included, seemed to have a theme of him beating us with his moral superiority. Sounds white knightish to me, and less than deserving of an entertainment video column.
The definition of a white knight

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white%20knight

It doesn't really match up with what Jim is doing at all.
I see your point, but I've always considered white knighting on the internet as the defense of anyone from a flimsy argument. I appreciate the context, though.
 

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I can't help but think that this video is rather pointless - the people that Jim is making this video to argue against are unlikely to watch this. I think most of us know that it's BAD to say such things, it's just a few idiots who have to ruin it for the rest of us.
 

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uanime5 said:
I suspect Jim fails to provide a reason why the topic was changed because he doesn't have a real reason. He could have easily ignored these threats and talked about his DLC topic as planned, so his attempts to blame this on other people is somewhat immature.

Jim also ignores that Hepler was responsible for writing the story for Dragon Age 2 so she was responsible for many of the things that were wrong with it; specifically the bad story and inconsistent characters. The fact that Jim seems to believe that Hepler was being abused for being creative, rather being than utterly inept and writing terrible stories, just shows that he hasn't bothered to research why people didn't like her. Jim's attempts to deify Hepler to hide his white knighting isn't fooling anyone.

I doubt Hepler's departure will discourage those with talent from writing for games, mainly because those with talent tend to be praised rather than scorned. It's only the utterly inept and entitled writers who expect everyone to love their stories, no matter how badly written these stories are, who get condemned by the majority of gamers. Here's hoping that gamers continue to criticise inept writers that produce bad stories, which ruin popular franchises.

Finally it's funny how Jim is always harping on about how developers should be able to make the games they want but keeps condemning people for giving honest opinions about just how bad these games are.
Now imagine instead of critiquing the merits of your argument, my friends and I gang up on you and start blathering threats about killing your loved ones.
 

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If Jim were a forum poster, we'd all be telling him to stop feeding the trolls.

Between this, the Anita Sarkesian thing and the Dragon's Crown review "controversy"; the whole message can be summed up by "Hey jerks, stop being ridiculous over-the-top jerks" and yet without Jim ranting for however many minutes about it, I'd never have heard about any of them.

If nothing else, the people who act out like that probably love the fact that it kicks up a storm. And those of us who watch the Jimquisition just get a bit fed up of being called "sick fuck(s)".
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Now imagine instead of critiquing the merits of your argument, my friends and I gang up on you and start blathering threats about killing your loved ones.
HAHA! How is that different than any other day on the internet? If you haven't gotten a death threat or someone telling you to kill yourself, you're not doing it right.
 

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Retrograde said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
jluzar20 said:
Yeah, I know he's not calling me a sick fuck personally, but white knights always leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
Oh look, another guy who didn't watch the video.

He can't really be a white knight when he also mentioned the men getting death threats as well (one of whom, Phil Fish, had gotten an entire episode from Jim himself), eh?
If someone has formed an opinion of you based on your previous writings and video content across multiple websites over a span of years, is that your fault or theres? His rep is well earned.
He didn't know what 'white-knighting' actually meant. You started posting on this thread without even watching the video.

I don't know who should be responsible for your ignorance, but it sure as hell ain't Jim's.
 

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Yes. Yes it does reflect on gamers, because we should be better

We should be better because we are. We're not rabid acolytes of the flavor-of-the-month pop musician. We're not fundamentalists of ancient, backwards politics. We're the culture of the most advanced & promising art form in the known universe

Act like it
Honest Injun here, this is as direct and tone free as it can be I assure you. Are you being funny here? This post is humourous, right?
Quite the opposite.

As others in this discussion forum have made very clear to you already, subcultures are viewed as a collective. It's not just some random asshole on the internet that can't buy or even sell certain games in countries like Australia, it's everyone. Like it or not, we're judged as a group & need to take a certain level of responsibility for the actions of the group. I didn't send those threatening emails, & odds are neither did you, but responding with inaction & indifference makes us complicit. Saying nothing is the same thing as condoning it.

As a culture that often identifies by both its intellect & history of social stratification & inequity, we should be above that. I'm not saying it will never happen, there will always be trolls. I'm saying we should be holding ourselves to a higher standard than rabid One Direction fangirls
 

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jluzar20 said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Now imagine instead of critiquing the merits of your argument, my friends and I gang up on you and start blathering threats about killing your loved ones.
HAHA! How is that different than any other day on the internet? If you haven't gotten a death threat or someone telling you to kill yourself, you're not doing it right.
So by your standards then, Jennifer Hepler did exceptionally well. ;)
 

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Death threats: never a good thing, no matter how angry you are. Really? Did this really need to be spelled out for people?
 

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The only thing I don't like about this episode is that it sounds like it's directed at me, accusing me (the viewer) of threatening Hepler directly when I also think it's idiotic, harmful and likely illegal.
 

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You know, I think anyone whose immediate response to this isn't "Yeah, fuck those guys!" is part of the problem. Death-threat spewing, insane fanatical assholes that infest our community need to be cast out and ostracized. They need to be exiled and we need to show that THEY DO NOT DEFINE US.

Anyone who thinks "Oh they should just grow thicker skin" or "Oh stop making general statements" or "Oh focus on the good" or "Oh blah blah men blah misandry" are indirectly supporting the behavior by not showing it the absolute contempt it deserves.
 

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TheSniperFan said:
Since Valve has ported it for Linux some time ago, I decided to give it a go again.
Yesterday I played some versus and got tired since it was getting late. Logically my performance in this round was kinda bad and I thought "I'll finish this campaign, then leave."

A few seconds later a popup to votekick me appeared and I had no idea why.
Luckily the people didn't just all press "Yes" and one asked why.
"cuz he sucks. lowest points in game"
They voted for "No" then and introduced him to the crazy concept that some might play a game to....wait for it.....have "fun".
He didn't seem to graps that concept and was like:
"maybe he'll learn that way"

But he just couldn't keep his mouth shut. Whenever somebody failed at trying something (you know, something that happens A LOT in versus), he insulted them. Whenever something worked out for him he was like:
"thats how you play"

Eventually he changed teams (or autochange happend) and he must have kept going on in teamchat, because one posted this in global chat:
"That's it! I'll leave after this round because I can't make you shut up."

And that's the story of how a single asshole ruined the game for the rest ended.
I'm more familiar with being called a fag because of my Mic Lisp (as in, my microphone sucks) and being pelted with homophobic slurs until the end of the match. At which point the idiot rage-quits because I didn't give him the pleasure of raging back or writing down something passive-aggressive in chat.

My usual tactic is pretty simple: clam up and keep playing. Lack of response always drives potential rager types up the wall and usually leads to them being votekicked.

Who knew silence could be the best weapon?
 

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RobotDinosaur said:
At the risk of exposing myself to an amount of stupid far above permissible exposure limits - is there a link to the original story? I'm wondering what exactly this writer said to provoke this, or if her only crime was having been a video game writer. And let me be perfectly clear, I'm just wanting to know more about this incident, there is absolutely nothing she might have said to justify this kind of treatment. Honestly, the regularity of these kinds of stories has gotten to the point that I'm kind of ashamed to video game as a hobby.
Unfortunately I can't link you right now.

However the things that sparked up gamers hatred towards her was in an interview with her- the interviewer in question asked her a bunch of questions.
Two of them sparked the controversy.

First question was what did she dislike most in videogames in which she said playing them. Hepler acknowledged right off the bat how horrible that sounded and further explained that the reason for this opinion was because she has poor hand eye co-ordination, struggles immensely with game maps, dislikes combat type of gameplay, and inventory checking.

The second question was if there was one thing she would like to be put in games, to appeal to more people what would it be. Hepler responded by stating that the same way devs offer gameplay enthusiasts a fastforward button to skip all the cutscenes so they can get right back in the action, they should offer a similar option for those who aren't great with videogames, but immensely enjoys the story of said game a fast forward button to skip the unnecessary and/or difficult bosses.

This last question is the one that pissed off people the most. Many people claimed that she was attempting to strip out gameplay in videogames (a feat that is not possible as a writer anyway.) and completely ignore the fact that games such as Super Mario Galaxy 2 already offer such a feature. If you lose a certain amount of times on a specific stage- You have the option to allow Princess Luna to play the stage for you and obtain a bronze star.(doesn't count as an actual star so there is still much incentive to actually beat the stage yourself.)