Jimquisition: Mass Effect 3 And The Case For A Gay Shepard

[Sacman]

Your guess is as good as mine, I mean its clearly there in the dragon age games if you go looking for it just as those vids show would have been in both Mass Effects if they had left it in. Personally though I wish that they would have at least left Ashley[footnote]even with my femshep characters I chose her over Kaiden[/footnote] open to being bi so I that I could have romanced her with my femshep.

Well Mass Effect is a much more high profile title with a lot more EA money poured into it... so it makes sense that they'd try and make it appeal to as many people as possible, which meant cutting out teh gaysecks for some reason... though looking at the way my douche bag homophobic brother reacted to being hit on by the Elf in Dragon it makes more sense... the masses cant handle anything that not safe and familiar so they go diving for the security blanket the second it moves to the edge of their comfort zone...

Or maybe EA are just homophobic... I prefer the latter seeing as how it gives me more reason to hate them...<.<

 

[Stabby Joe]

Wait, what? I watched the video last but didn't comment. All of these argument, especially the last one actually came up?

I only ever heard the controversy that the MALE Shepard couldn't be gay (since female was an option) in 2.

 

[ElPatron]

I did not like it. So being attracted to phallic objects makes men gay?

In case you haven't noticed, men have been obsessed with phallic objects for centuries. Duh, weapons! Weapons are the most obvious phallic object around and it has nothing to do with sexual preference.

Do you like the film Aliens? YOU'RE GAY! The Xenomorph head has a phallic shape, so you are indeed attracted to males if you enjoyed the movie!

Seriously...?

How can you say that homophobic people need to grow up and then make a childish remark about dildos? Plus, if you have been around the internet for some years, you might have heard of "pegging".

It does involve a phallic shaped object AND a female. Therefore, it's more heterosexual that your childish brain thinks.

Stay classy, people.

Now let me return to my phallic objects that shoot lead at very high speeds, while a lot of homophobic people in this world are watching porn with gigantic penises in them.

 

[Jakisall]

I'll start by admitting after watching some of the last episode I skipped it, not because I have any problems with homosexuality but be cause it just didn't interest me.

That alone is what any homophobes should have done if they wanted to be an adult. It's simple; if you don't like it don't watch, play, read, hear, etc it. You don't have to stick around and post such ludicrous, hateful and completely bigoted comments that link homosexuality with such immoral behavior.

I want to apologize to Jim out of shame I share a planet with such people.

 

[Alrocsmash]

Homosexuality exists in over 450 animal species. Homophobia exists in only one. Which one seems more unnatural now?

People need to grow up.

You're right. We need to behave more like animals. They are so pure and virtuous.

Should we also pick up forcibly copulating with females? Cause animals do that too. Oh, and how about fighting with and possibly killing rival males, over that female we will forcibly copulate with. How about then killing the babies of that rival male that we just killed that were born of that forcibly copulated female that we will now forcibly copulate with. Oh, and speaking of babies. How about we just let parents abandon or kill their babies because they no longer feel like having them because they are a burden. Animals do that too.

I could go on about all the virtuous behaviors that are COMPLETELY NATURAL in animals. But I think I made my point.

Hello closet homophobe, use the slippery slope more. Clearly I was implying that we should all walk around naked and club females for coitus. I really appreciate your style of arguing by implying the most extreme possibilities and making them sound common place.

I have a large bucket of sand you can borrow to stick your head into.

 

[GundamSentinel]

Pedophiles don't necessarily fuck kids. A pedophile might be (sexually) attracted to kids, but doesn't necessarily have to give in to his (or her!) urges. Not all pedophiles abuse kids. Most of them have a perfectly normal family life and are good at suppressing their urges.

That said, good vid and on the mark.

 

[GiantRaven]

For your second point, what i am saying is that, given the circumstances shown in the first 2 games, it is indeed very higly unlikely at the very least for shepard to be gay, so, him being gay on the third game is a retcon.

What circumstances might they be? I never saw anything in my playthroughs of 1 and 2 that indicated my Shepard's sexuality.

 

[Joseph Harrison]

anc[is]Was that Jacob? They bothered to bring him back?

I was wondering that too because they hadn't announced him to be coming back in ME3.

OT: Great video Jim, I just find it so stupid that people refuse to admit that they are homophobic and instead just cover it up with pseudo arguments.

 

[jibjamborie]

I have to be honest here, I will have absolutely no problem with this as long as it isn't constantly brought up as an option mid-game.
to elaborate: I don't want garrus to mount me everytime I talk to him about the mission. Otherwise, I don't care.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

so ignoring Jim's sad use of ad hominems, does he realize that Liara isn't a female?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

so ignoring Jim's sad use of ad hominems, does he realize that Liara isn't a female?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

If you're attracted to something that, for all intents and purposes, looks just like a woman, then chances are, you're into women.

 

[link6616]

Wow... I forget how good my friends are in real life that at this point I never have to deal with any of this bullshit as a gay guy. It's stopped occurring to me it's an issue for many everyday people. The fact this was source of huge debate is kind of saddening really.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

so ignoring Jim's sad use of ad hominems, does he realize that Liara isn't a female?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

If your attracted to something that, for all intents and purposes, looks just like a woman, then chances are, you're into women.

I didn't say that it doesn't make femshep a lesbian, just that Liara isn't a female. Last I checked, women can't "embrace "eternity".

 

[Airsoftslayer93]

Well said Jim

 

[Daystar Clarion]

so ignoring Jim's sad use of ad hominems, does he realize that Liara isn't a female?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

If your attracted to something that, for all intents and purposes, looks just like a woman, then chances are, you're into women.

I didn't say that it doesn't make femshep a lesbian, just that Liara isn't a female. Last I checked, women can't "embrace "eternity".

You just haven't met the right women then

 

[Sewer Rat]

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firstly, there is NO CANON SHEPARD your Shepard is only canon in YOUR game, it doesnt matter what other Shepards do your shepard does whatever you want him to do. it isnt a retcon if the character's entire existance and choices depend on player choice. if the player chooses for Shepard to be gay, then Shepard IS gay, it isnt a retcon, if you say that he/she isnt, then you know what, you are also correct, with YOUR Shepard

secondly, refering to the bold, you are implying that a gay person always appears to be gay, like he/she can't help but show it, that isn't true, i've met plenty of straight people whom i thought were gay, and gay people whom i thought were straight, all through school people made fun of me for being gay, problem is, i'm perfecly straight, you can't guess anything about sexuality by "hints" or any kind of tendecies they previously exhibited

good god! did you even watch the video this thread is about?!
i'm basically repeating what Jim already said
watch it again, see if you understand then

BS, there is a cannon shepard, ME is an ongoing franchise with multiple tie ins and of course there's a cannon shepard, just as there is a cannon Master Chief in Halo or a cannon prisioner escapee for Elder Scrolls.

For your second point, what i am saying is that, given the circumstances shown in the first 2 games, it is indeed very higly unlikely at the very least for shepard to be gay, so, him being gay on the third game is a retcon. I don't know what you understand by that, but according to wikipedia retcons can be non disruptive as in: "Some retcons do not directly contradict previously established facts, but "fill in" missing background details, usually to support current plot points.", and this is clearly that, an addition retcon, i can't even see what you are arguing about.

Thirdly, i am just answering to quotes, my first post here and on the other thread didn't focused on retcon issues, people quoted that part, so i assumed they want to talk about them.

Thing is though is that Mass Effect as a game is not about the cannon Shepard, it is about YOUR Shepard. Just because you decide to do something with your Shepard does not mean it is cannon, one player deciding to go gay with Shepard (either by hacking or waiting til ME3 for romance) does not mean that it is written forever in the chronicles of Mass Effect that Shepard was a fairy. Choices are what RPGs are all about, and if you are going to argue that you can only follow the cannon while playing the game, you are missing out on a good deal of the fun.

 

[Ukomba]

so ignoring Jim's sad use of ad hominems, does he realize that Liara isn't a female?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

If your attracted to something that, for all intents and purposes, looks just like a woman, then chances are, you're into women.

Not that simple since everyone is attracted to them in some way regardless of both gender and species. There's just something about them. Unless you want to argue every species in the universe has the hots for human women.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

so ignoring Jim's sad use of ad hominems, does he realize that Liara isn't a female?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

If your attracted to something that, for all intents and purposes, looks just like a woman, then chances are, you're into women.

I didn't say that it doesn't make femshep a lesbian, just that Liara isn't a female. Last I checked, women can't "embrace "eternity".

You just haven't met the right women then

haha, good point, and I've heard a women like that who really seem to have the ability to control me like that.