Is that Jay from Modern Family on the left? Damn, he was pretty good looking when he was younger. Still kind of is now.DVS BSTrD said:I recall having a similar discussion about the portrayal of men vs the portrayal women in popular culture overall. For from objectifying men, this other person seemed to think that men were unfairly stereotyped as fat idiots who were completely dependent on women to save them from themselves. Now I want you to look at these pictures and ask yourself
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Which standard is harder to live up to?
I registered here just to give you kudos on this post. I was thinking the exact same thing listening to Jim. I often really like Jim, but he was off his mark for focusing to narrowly here. Men sexually objectify women. Society objectifies men's lives. I mean, we can get into the whole disposable male theory another time, but when you boil it down this certainly at least holds true in games.PrarieDog_319 said:I have listened to this debate for some time now and would like to clarify some facts that have gone amiss by members of my species.
When people say "Men aren't objectified" what they really mean is "men aren't objectified sexually".
That's the point of fantasy, though. Not all games do this depending on what they are of course, but in some, a busty, sexy female character or being a perfect looking guy that can do damn near anything is just nice to imagine. Games are ment to get away from reality.Imp Emissary said:No one is evil for liking or hating these characters. The only bad thing about them is that they are used too much.Nurb said:In video games, both are equally objectified in the sense male and female game characters are objects that do what we want for our entertainment and fantasies, whatever they may be because it's fictional escapism.
Women are pretty and nice to look at, and men are fodder for the player to wade through with any given weapon weilded by a perfect looking protagonist. Men are not evil for enjoying sexualized fictional characters, nor are we evil for enjoying laying waste to thousands of enemies that want to stop our character.
Now please, no more forced gender debates!
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As for the "male, female, at the end of the day, we're just a bunch of dang avatars made of bits and polygons", while true, the problem is more with the art(how the characters look), and the story(how the characters act).
Things that are not always in control of the player.
Also, that is a cute cat(picture and your avatar).
You may like this user group: Catoholics anonymous. If you are in already, sorry, I didn't see your name when I looked at the members list.
I hope you're right but XSEED/Marvelous said last week that due to recent events, the games will be a lot harder to promote without crys of sexism. I think they're telling the truth. But it could be a publicity stunt(which I'm hoping it is). Either way, this topic needs to stop for awhile.Holythirteen said:No matter how objectified a women is in a game, no matter how much we argue about it, it has never stopped a game from being released. If anybody says that, they are making an excuse.RaikuFA said:Theres some other issues that need to be addressed in this debate. Like the fact that Senran Kagura might never make it outside of Japan due to the west being prudish and crying sexist at anyything that has boobs.
The superstitious myth that man is somehow Something Moar is a throwback to the days when invisible, bearded sky giants comprised valid explanations for lightning and agriculture. That shit doesn't fly anymore, and everything we know about reality strongly implies that humans are self-aware, organic computers. Decent ones, but still just computers. So yeah, objects. Although I doubt computers would confuse themselves for anything more than that so, limited power notwithstanding, they may still be ahead of you.Noun
A material thing that can be seen and touched.
Heh, it's okay--she didn't need it anyway.Ukomba said:OMG!! Stop burning that bra and put it back on, your objectifying yourself!
I'll just leave this here.PeterMerkin69 said:People are objects. Look up the definition of the word object:
Noun
A material thing that can be seen and touched.
Women often take offense to being "treated like a piece of meat."
That makes the very large assumption women think like men. Most women I know find a well dressed man more attractive than a naked one. A naked man can be more threatening to women than a dressed one.ElinHime said:If objectification of men and women where more 50/50, these kind of scenes would be more normal:
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You know, I was going to come in here and write like a paragraph on why it's still objectification, and the argument made by people with working brains was that if we're going to talk about objectification in video games, it should be about the objectification (not necessarily sexual) of both genders, not that "They're both equal so there's no problem", which actually seemed to be shoehorned in there pretty clumsily. But this guy, this guy here, nailed it. Well done sir. Well done.PrarieDog_319 said:snipasaurous
I do, for one.Karadalis said:Thats all pretty nice but on the topic of "All female chars have to be beautifull" Uhm... yeah? Wich woman would want to play an old hag that looks like the hunchback from notre dam.. or who wants to play the super fat lady from borderlands 2? Among males and females.. i would say no one. Or have you ever seen a female player make a ugly fem shep and say "Yup... thats who i want to play as"
Don't ever ask him to scratch your back then. Razor sharp nails plus super human strength? OUCH!JediMB said:As I recall, Clark shaved with his own fingernails in Smallville.1337mokro said:We have solved one of the greatest mysteries in the world! Now for the other one.Orekoya said:There you go.1337mokro said:Can Superman's powers harm himself? His hair is basically indestructible if not he'd have his glorious mullet burned of every single time a heat based enemy was encountered. So why should there be an exception for his own heat vision which still works on the same principles and does not seem to be all that strong, compared to other heat powers in the same universe.Clovus said:Like, maybe he just uses his breath to freeze his own leg and then just brushes them off. Or maybe he just, like, burns them off with this eyes.1337mokro said:Question!!! Why does Superman shave his legs? HOW does Superman shave his legs? I mean Greenlantern I can get, Human with alien technology. How does Superman manage though? Industrial strength polymer leg waxing?Ashoten said:I have heard this argument before when people talk about comic book women being objectified. This is the best response I have seen.
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Make of it what you will.
Kryptonite razorblades?
Why DID he shave his legs?![]()
I can only imagine that he trims those, in turn, with his teeth.
Being a Kryptonian god sure makes these things complicated.
Considering Brienne herself pretty much tries to not be female as much as she's capable of doing so, I'm not sure that's the case.Mr F. said:I mean to say, Brienne in a computer game would come across as female and utterly, UTTERLY badass.
Is this from the Hawkeye(guy) Initiative?Ashoten said:I have heard this argument before when people talk about comic book women being objectified. This is the best response I have seen.
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Make of it what you will.